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    SI.com's Peter King has some interesting draft nuggets...

    KANSAS CITY -- Busy night. Very busy night, as the Lions and agents for Matthew Stafford moved closer to a deal to make the Georgia quarterback the first pick in Saturday's NFL's draft.

    I think the financial parameters of a deal will be done in principal by late this afternoon, though it may not be signed for a while because of its complexity. But you can take it to the bank: Stafford's going to be a Detroit Lion.

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    Busy morning. The Patriots are trying to move up into the top 10 of the draft -- but low in the top 10. Executives from two teams tell me New England offered its first-round pick and middle of three second-round picks (the 23rd and 47th picks overall) to Jacksonville for the eighth pick in the draft. Jacksonville GM Gene Smith, I'm told, said no ... but I also hear the Patriots might be looking to Green Bay at nine to move as well.

    Who might be the object of their affection? I'm told it may be a surprise, because smart money would say the target is LSU's Tyson Jackson, the best 3-4 defensive end in the draft and the only end versatile enough to play every spot on the defensive line. But I'm not sure it's Jackson. I think it might be an offensive player. Sorry to be so cryptic, but I truly don't know.

    The Patriots are Fort Knox on draft weekend -- and, for that matter, on every weekend. Remember last year? New England traded down from seven to 10 in the first round and got the object of its affection, Tennessee linebacker Jerod Mayo, and no one ever knew Mayo was their man.

    It makes infinite sense that New England would want the eighth or ninth pick, because the line of demarcation between sanity and insanity in the top 10 is right there. Check out the money that each of the players between six and 10 in last year's draft would earn with minimum play-time incentives in their five-year contracts:

    6. Vernon Gholston, Jets $32.5 million
    7. Sedrick Ellis, New Orleans $32 million
    8. Derrick Harvey, Jacksonville $23 million
    9. Keith Rivers, Cincinnati $19 million
    10. Jerod Mayo, New England $16 million

    It figures that New England would be targeting the eighth pick, or ninth. It's called being ahead of the curve.

    Now for my Five Things I Think I Think on Draft Eve:

    1. I think the one misleading thing about the draft, as we sit here 30 hours from its start, is that there's not a lot of trade action near the top. Near the very top, no. I had one GM in the top half of the draft tell me there's a flurry of activity between eight and 13, and it will get a lot busier if Mark Sanchez, the USC quarterback, is sitting there at No. 8, when the Jaguars pick. If that happens, I expect Jags GM Gene Smith to be the power broker of the draft, turning the eighth pick into three picks in the first three rounds of the next two drafts.

    2. I think the Chiefs pick is coming down to Wake Forest linebacker Aaron Curry or LSU's Tyson Jackson.

    3. I think the Raiders are seriously considering Darrius Heyward-Bey or Jeremy Maclin at seven, which makes sense because they're the fastest high-profile players in the draft. I hear Raider coach Tom Cable was on the phone with Maclin last night.

    4. I think, traveling across the state of Missouri by car Thursday afternoon and listening to Sirius XM NFL Radio, I was stunned to hear the negative fan reaction to the Tony Gonzalez trade for a 2010 second-round pick.

    The Chiefs, last year, couldn't get anything better than a third-rounder (and a late-third-rounder, obviously, if it would have been coming from the Eagles) in an offer for Gonzalez. And now they get a two, albeit in 2010. Sounds likes a good deal to me for a player in his 13th year, at age 33.

    Yet the reaction to Pat Kirwan and Tim Ryan on their afternoon show was fairly venomous. Fans will be fans, but come on. This team won six games the past two years. Time to think of 2010.

    5. I think if you read nothing else from me until after the draft (and I'll be back here Saturday morning with a few short thoughts), please, please, please remember not to get too fired up and think you've won anything in April. I remind you of the following top-15 picks in the last six years: Charles Rogers, Dewayne Robertson, Johnathan Sullivan, Jimmy Kennedy, Michael Haynes, Jerome McDougle, Robert Gallery, Reggie Williams, Alex Smith, Cedric Benson, Troy Williamson, Mike Williams, Michael Huff, Kamerion Wimbley, Jamaal Anderson. In other words, simmer down.


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    Re: SI.com's Peter King has some interesting draft nuggets...

    Quote Originally Posted by Nibiru2012 View Post
    Add Carriker to that list he's been less productive then Mcdougle and Wimbley!!!!
    AC gets a break off me for being juggled around the line and playing last season whilst injured..he done it for the team but like when Arch,Pisa etc have done it in the past,he rarely gets kudos for his effort.
    if AC plays healthy next year and still doesnt improve his production then i`ll add him to that list.

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    Re: SI.com's Peter King has some interesting draft nuggets...

    Quote Originally Posted by Nibiru2012 View Post
    Add Carriker to that list he's been less productive then Mcdougle and Wimbley!!!!
    Oddly most DTs have less stat production than 3-4 OLBs. If Carriker had stats like a 3-4 OLB, he would be the greatest DT on the planet.

    As for McDougle.....Carriker has 13 more tackles and 1 less sack than McDougle; though Carriker has played only 2 seasons compared to McDougle's 4.



    Once again, Carriker maligned based on nothing.
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    Re: SI.com's Peter King has some interesting draft nuggets...

    1. I could definitely see some trades happening near the bottom of the top ten, and not only if Sanchez is there. If Curry or Raji is still on the board at that point, I could see a team making a play for either. Curry because he's a play-making linebacker who could help establish a team's defensive identity and Raji because it's hard to find a 330 lb. penetrating defensive tackle

    3. I'd think so, too, except it seems almost absurd to be able to caricature a team/owner like that and actually be right.

    4. Not sure why KC fans would complain about getting a 2nd rounder for a player who is 33 years old and has previously asked to be traded. I mean I like Gonzalez as much as the next guy, but he's not going to be at the top of his game forever.

    + Conventional wisdom says you don't judge a draft class until 3 years later. Carriker has been in the league for two, and (as others have noted) played a significant part of that time injured. I wouldn't write him off just yet.

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    Re: SI.com's Peter King has some interesting draft nuggets...

    Carriker easily fits into that category so far
    Based on what? Your ambiguous notion of "productive"?
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    Re: SI.com's Peter King has some interesting draft nuggets...

    Surely McDougle being a backup (ie not good enough to start) is even worse

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    Re: SI.com's Peter King has some interesting draft nuggets...

    Quote Originally Posted by Nibiru2012 View Post
    Based off his lack to get off the block, get into the backfield, sack the qb and/or stop the run.
    Ok, then what are the numbers for AC. You must have those stats since your using it to form a measurable outcome. Where does AC compare to others DT?

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