TO signs one year deal with Bills...

[THOLTFAN81]

per rotoworld:

it is a one year, 6.5 million dollar contract

...this is all it took...our receiving looks like a college team right now minus holt and we weren't willing to offer 1 year 6.5million?

[LARAM]

Glad he's not in the NFC anymore......maybe he'll whoop up on New England two times next year

[HUbison]

per rotoworld:

it is a one year, 6.5 million dollar contract

...this is all it took...our receiving looks like a college team right now minus holt and we weren't willing to offer 1 year 6.5million?

1. And that would put us with 4.0 mil over the cap. Nearly 11 mil would have to be cleared away before the draft.

2. Q: How many playoff games did his last two free agent suitors (Philly & Dallas) win with him?

A: Zero


3. Why would the Cowboys take a $9 mil cap hit (according to NFLN's Fran Charles) just to get rid of him?


His production on the field is great (though diminished). But, unlike true leaders who make others around them better, Owens brings the rest of his team down.

With a new outlook on this franchise and a prime opportunity to rebuild the team in a viable image, why would they bring in someone who is guaranteed to set the lockerroom back?

[BarronWade]

...this is all it took...our receiving looks like a college team right now minus holt and we weren't willing to offer 1 year 6.5million?

Last year we were the 3rd oldest team and we are trying to get younger. signing a guy in his mid 30s is not a way to get younger. Also Bulger is a quiet QB. If he doesnt get the ball to TO bulger will just be killed by TO each time.

[general counsel]

With all due respect HUB, philly doesnt get to the superbowl without TO. He also worked out like crazy to return from a broken leg to have a spectacular game in the philly superbowl. Thus, i am not sure you can say that they didnt win with him. I will tell you this. They didnt win before he got there. They were missing a #1 receiver for years. They certainly were NOT a better team without him. He was a scapegoat for lousy run defense and cheapness of ownership leaving all that cap money on the table and not getting a quality running back, especially when alexander (who was still in his prime at the time) was available for a third round pick.

He is older now and not as good as he was at that point. He is a distraction, he is tempermental and he is a terrible fit for a rebuilding team like the rams. Frankly, he is the last thing we need. However, i think he helped philly win, regardless of whether they technically won a playoff game with him in the linenup the year he played for him.

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[39thebeast]

What is with you and your obnoxious WR ideas

[jerseyramsfan]

This is crazy. It only took 6.5 million. A one year dosen't hurt anyone. He would of helped Avery & Burton develop. So what he's not a leader. The guy has always been fine in the first year of his contract. Check his past record. We could of bought more time for our young guys. As far as the cap goes. Make it work.... Washington always does....

[RamFan_Til_I_Die]

Well said GC...he's a great fit for Buffalo, but not us. If TO isn't somewhere that will be winning a LOT then he's worse than normal to deal with.

[general counsel]

On what basis do you conclude that he would have helped burton and avery develop? There is ZERO evidence that he has ever helped a single young receiver develop anywhere he has been. There is plenty of evidence that when TO doesnt get the ball all the time he is a major distraction. If you want keenan and avery to develop, than what you want is for them to get as many catches as possible, not worrying about TO being pissed that a particular ball was thrown to them not to him. Washington always makes the cap work, but have you seen it yield any positive results for them? What you see if washington laying out tons of cash. losing again, and mortgaging their future to the point where they dont have cash available to develop depth and their own young players.

Furthermore, just because he took 6.5 from buffalo doesnt mean he would have taken the same thing from the rams and presumably, it would have taken more than what buffalo offered him. TO as the last piece to the puzzle? Maybe, and i say a big maybe, worth the risk. For a rebuilding team? FOrget it.

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[HUbison]

With all due respect HUB, philly doesnt get to the superbowl without TO.

Actually, that is exactly what they did. They win the first two rounds of the playoffs w/o TO. TO comes back for the Super Bowl and they lose. So like I said, in my original statement, how many playoff games did his last two free agent suitors (Philly & Dallas) win with him? Zero.

[jerseyramsfan]

Sure Avery and Burton will develop in time. But you need someone to take the pressure off. And I'm not talking about an old washed up character guy. All were gonna end up with are guys like Toomer or Engram. Boy now I'm shaking in my shoes. How are these guys gonna get open? Our receivers are going to be a joke without Holt. You gotta bring in someone of a higher caliber. And these type of guys don't come available easy or without some baggage...

[39thebeast]

This is crazy. It only took 6.5 million. A one year dosen't hurt anyone. He would of helped Avery & Burton develop. So what he's not a leader. The guy has always been fine in the first year of his contract. Check his past record. We could of bought more time for our young guys. As far as the cap goes. Make it work.... Washington always does....

Your saying only 6.5 mil like we aren't up against the cap and we don't have bigger needs. It makes absoloutely no sense to put a cancer on a rebuilding team. This team is going to get really young really quick and the last thing we need is T.O. poisoning the minds of the young and throwing the sensitive Bulger under the bus.

[general counsel]

My point in saying that they dont get to the superbowl without him was that they dont assemble the best record in the nfc without him and dont get home field in the playoffs without him, both of which were significant contributing factors in getting them to the superbowl. I appreciate that he didnt play in the playoff games. I stated that you cant say that they didnt win with him, and they certainly won an awful lot with him in the lineup and you cant diminish his performance in that superbowl.

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[tonyray05]

T.O. will also play in Toronto, so he will have a new audience to play for. Whereever he goes, he has never developed or tutored any young recievers in his career. We need mentors and IMO he's not worth signing for any amount.

[Irishrover40]

Hey G.C. you are truely a wise & correct young man. To has been n three (3) teams and been cut loose/traded from those three teams---WHY??????? Just look at his personal file/record Everywhere he has traveled he has brought his soap opera drama and controversity on to that team and into their locker room. TO could be one of the greatest players in the history of the NFL, IF he could ever get his head screwed on straight. Why, in God's name do you think that over half of the teams in the NFL have stated publicly that they wanted NO PART of TO??????(See the reports on Rotoworld.com and Pro Football Talk. com)
As for Buffalo???? In my mind, Mr P. T. Barnum said it best: " There's a sucker born every minute" Good luck to Buffalo--they're reallygoing to need it!!!!!!!!