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    Re: Ted Ginn to visit Rams

    I really do like the idea that Ginn could really electrify our return game but IMO he really would be a luxury given the needs we have on defense. Having said that if we manage to get Jenkins then possibly he is more of an option especially if most of the top defensive players are off the board.


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    Re: Ted Ginn to visit Rams

    Quote Originally Posted by laram0 View Post
    Call me a tweener and here's why.

    A few weeks ago Gil Brandt (Sirius Satellite Radio NFL) came out with Linehans very strong interest in Carriker. Now we're hearing/reading the word is that Linehan is high on Ginn.

    Smoke screen to take the attention off of the public knowledge of Linehans intentions? Wanting Carriker, ......possibly.
    Except Randy Karriker was reporting this on 1380:
    http://www.ramsrule.com/theoriginalh...de=full&page=1

    "He said Linehan said the Rams wanted an impact player at 13 and doesn't think any of the DT's will be. Linehan says both Branch and Okoye both have short comings.

    On Jenkins: Linehan said if anyone can get the trade done, it's Ziggy.

    Randy said Linehan lit up when talking about 2 players: Ginn and Carriker."
    Last edited by max; -04-20-2007 at 03:16 PM.

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    Re: Ted Ginn to visit Rams

    If the Rams _______, then I'll be _________.

    1. If the Rams take Ginn, not having acquired Jenkins in a trade, I'll be shocked.

    2. If the Rams take Ginn, after acquiring Jenkins in exchange for their second round pick, I'll be extremely disappointed.

    3. If the Rams take Ginn, after acquiring Jenkins while retaining their second round pick, I'll be disappointed.

    If the Rams take Ginn, and he has a minimal impact, while the defense remains weak, EVERYONE WILL BE DISAPPOINTED.

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    Re: Ted Ginn to visit Rams

    ya know , i just don't know any more , my boards are DEFENSE heavy , i don't even have OFFENSE positions until my 3rd rd , which i know won't happen. but i don't start picking offense until the 4th rd. with RB ,and WR , the most heavy for that rd . i must be way off here , i just can't see taking GINN when the return game can be filled later on . i'm filling the return man in the 4th and 6th , with a rb and a receiver , respectively . my board as of now has fallen something like this .

    1st - D
    2nd -D
    3rd -D
    4th -O
    5TH -D
    6TH -O
    7THs - O
    7THs -O
    i know this couldn't happen because i'm making these . but does anyone have something simillar to this on your boards .

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    Re: Ted Ginn to visit Rams

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    If the Rams _______, then I'll be _________.

    1. If the Rams take Ginn, not having acquired Jenkins in a trade, I'll be shocked.

    2. If the Rams take Ginn, after acquiring Jenkins in exchange for their second round pick, I'll be extremely disappointed.

    3. If the Rams take Ginn, after acquiring Jenkins while retaining their second round pick, I'll be disappointed.

    If the Rams take Ginn, and he has a minimal impact, while the defense remains weak, EVERYONE WILL BE DISAPPOINTED.
    If the Rams take Ginn, and he breaks Hester's record, you'll be ________.

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    Re: Ted Ginn to visit Rams

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    If the Rams take Ginn, and he breaks Hester's record, you'll be ________.
    That's absurd. Hester's season was historic. Seasons like that don't happen every year. Heck, they virtually don't happen EVER.

    Let's say Ginn leads the NFL in punt return average and returns two kicks for TDs. Would that replace the productivity of an every-down defender? I'd say not.

    Its not like Ginn is going to be a starting WR if he is taken by the Rams. He'd start the year at #4, and likely would stay there unless someone ahead of him were injured.

    Nothing you say will convince me that it makes sense to spend the 13th pick in the draft on Ginn.

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    Re: Ted Ginn to visit Rams

    Ginn is a waste of:
    a) Money.
    b) A 1st round draft pick.
    c) Talent, which could be better served on the other side of the ball.

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    Re: Ted Ginn to visit Rams

    Quote Originally Posted by max View Post
    He said Linehan said the Rams wanted an impact player at 13
    I'm not sure how many people you're going to find that think spending a Top 15 pick to have an impact player in the return game is a wise move. I'd rather have an impact player on defense, where that player will see much more time on the field, and honestly I seriously doubt Randy Karriker got the 100% truth from Linehan in terms of whether or not certain guys are impact players.

    As for whether or not Ginn breaks Hester's record, who knows? If he does, what does that even mean? To be picked #13 overall, you've got to do more than break a specialist record. The only way Ginn being picked at 13 is going to be worth it is if he becomes not only an electric return man but also a starting #1 receiver for this team, because there is absolutely no logic in picking a return specialist that's only a #2 or #3 receiver in that spot.

    Furthermore, let's not forget that when the Bears drafted Hester, they were a playoff team. In 2005, Chicago was 11-5 and were playing in the Divisional round of the playoffs. Teams of that caliber can afford to make luxury picks. Teams like the Rams, who finish 28th in points allowed, 31st in rush defense, and 19th in sacks, aren't exactly in the same boat in terms of freedom to select whatever they want on either side of the ball.

    This doesn't even begin to address Ginn's health concerns and inability to heal from a mid-ankle sprain he suffered over three months ago.

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    Re: Ted Ginn to visit Rams

    This isn't a smokescreen, they really like this guy and it sucks. Ginn isn't going to amount to anything, and I mean anything in the NFL. I would take that other WR from Ohio St. (forgot his name) before I took Ginn. Everybody talks about his speed but there is a reason track stars can't make it in the NFL.

    I mean come on, the guy can't recover from a sprained ankle and it's been 4 months. Imagine if your watching the Ram's game and you hear "It Looks like Ginn has sprained his ankle." You hear that and you know he's gone for the season.

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    Re: Ted Ginn to visit Rams

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    The only way Ginn being picked at 13 is going to be worth it is if he becomes not only an electric return man but also a starting #1 receiver for this team, because there is absolutely no logic in picking a return specialist that's only a #2 or #3 receiver in that spot.

    Furthermore, let's not forget that when the Bears drafted Hester, they were a playoff team. In 2005, Chicago was 11-5 and were playing in the Divisional round of the playoffs. Teams of that caliber can afford to make luxury picks. Teams like the Rams, who finish 28th in points allowed, 31st in rush defense, and 19th in sacks, aren't exactly in the same boat in terms of freedom to select whatever they want on either side of the ball.

    This doesn't even begin to address Ginn's health concerns and inability to heal from a mid-ankle sprain he suffered over three months ago.
    First off, I hate the term "luxury pick". I really don't even know what that means. When you pick difference makers (regardless of postion) you improve your team. Teams evaluate players, they determine whether they can impact a game or not. Ginn may have been evaluated to be an impact player by the Rams. I think he may be also. That's all there is to it.

    My position is that Ginn is a world class athlete who can immediately impact as a return man. Can he develop into a #1 WR? I don't know, but I'm guessing Linehan and Ellard would have a lot better idea than any of us on this board. If they pick him that would indicate that they think he can. Ginn is in St. Louis today and reportedly the Rams doctors are investigating the heck out of his foot. If they think there's a problem they won't pick him.

    I have 4 guys I really like at #13: Ginn, Revis, Anderson, and Carriker. I'm happy with any of them. Why? Because I see them as potential impact players.

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    Re: Ted Ginn to visit Rams

    I said it in another thread...
    Ginn somehow reminds me of Peter Warrick, and that's not a good thing.

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    Re: Ted Ginn to visit Rams

    Quote Originally Posted by max View Post
    First off, I hate the term "luxury pick". I really don't even know what that means. When you pick difference makers (regardless of postion) you improve your team. Teams evaluate players, they determine whether they can impact a game or not. Ginn may have been evaluated to be an impact player by the Rams. I think he may be also. That's all there is to it.
    That's not all there is to it.

    The term "luxury pick" is easily defined. Every team has needs and weaknesses. Players who fill those needs are "necessity picks."

    Most teams also have strong areas. Players who would be duplicative in those areas are "luxury picks."

    I would also submit that a player who is taken primarily for special teams is automatically a mere "luxury pick." That's why kickers, no matter how talented, are virtually never taken in the first round.

    Ginn might prove to be a great return man, but so might Yamon Figurs and Johnnie Lee Higgins. The differece is, to get Ginn you have to use a first round pick and give up the opportunity to take a top defensive prospect.

    That's a luxury that the Rams can't afford.

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    Re: Ted Ginn to visit Rams

    Quote Originally Posted by max View Post
    First off, I hate the term "luxury pick".
    Okay? I hate the phrase "jumbo shrimp" but that doesn't change the fact that it exists.

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    Re: Ted Ginn to visit Rams

    i just don't think he fits the spot , and i can't see us taking him at #13 , i just can't say this enough , the next WR taken after calvin johnson , should be around #20 , and it would not be ginn . i would take meachum , and bowe before ginn . and i don't see a receiver on a RAMS team at 170lbs , making an impact, even at a #2 or #3 receiver . i'm sorry if you don't agree .

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    Re: Ted Ginn to visit Rams

    I think far too much has been made of Ginns' return skills. The NFL is loaded with guys with special return skills, the key is the guys blocking for him. To go after this guy at 13 with immediate impact defensive players left on the board would be a huge mistake in my estimation.

    I've said it once and now I'll say it again, you can find a return specialist at your local supermarket, as long as everybody else puts a hat on somebody.

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