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    THolt Mock Off-Season 1.0

    This off-season will be predicated on the fact that DMarco Farrs reporting is correct and we will have roughly 33 million in cap space when FA rolls around, and I will tell who I think we will lose/restructure to get to that point.

    Before we can get to Free Agency we must cut/restructure:

    Notable Cuts:
    Ron Bartell, CB
    Jason Smith, OT
    Fred Robbins, DT

    Restructure/Resign:
    Sam Bradford, QB
    Chris Long, DE

    Re-sign:
    Tony Wragge, G/C - Vet Min
    Darian Stewart, SS, RFA tender
    Donnie Jones, P, 1m
    Danny Amendola, WR, Minimum coming off bad injury
    Kellen Clemens, BQB, Vet Min
    Chris Chamberlain, OLB, Min

    For those wondering I am of the belief that Jason Brown will stay and start next season at LG/C. If Fisher and Co. don't think he can start then he will be waived, because you don't pay a backup that much money and it would create even more cap room. But I say he stays & starts.

    Now to the new additions:

    Free Agency:
    Marques Colston, WR, Formerly of the New Orleans Saints

    The gauntlet has been thrown in the Fishnead (thanks Hub) era. This man is a beast and the essence of consistency. Gives Sam Bradford an amazing option, and doesn't strong arm them in the draft. He's an incredibly physical, sure-handed receiver and a polished route runner. When he's available, he brings another dimension to the Saints offense that none of their other talented weapons possess. 6-4 225, an ideal target for any QB.
    Predicted contract: 4 years 32 million; 8 Mill/Yr

    Cortland Finnegan, CB, Formerly of the Tennessee Titans

    Jeff Fisher brings back his former field general. This signing IMO is one of the most inevitable of the off-season for any team if Finnegan hits the open market, and I love it. I have always had an admiration for Finnegan, and think that he is flat out better than Bartell skill-wise. Nonetheless that he is younger, and less injury prone. Finnegan has been a top 10 corner for much of his career. Finnegan knows the system, and immediately comes in and helps younger CBs Bradley Fletcher, and Jerome Murphy learn.
    Predicted Contract: 5 years 50 million; 10 Mill/Yr

    Jason Jones, DT, Formerly of the Tennessee Titans

    When healthy, Jason Jones is one of the league's better interior pass rushers. He has an explosive first step in getting upfield and disrupting a quarterback's ability to step up into a clean pocket. However, last year the Titans moved him out to defensive end, where he struggled to match his productivity from years past. Fisher knows where to play this guy, and how he can thrive. I think this will go down as one of the steals of the off-season.
    Predicted Contract: 4 years 14 million; 3.5 Mill/Yr

    There will be other minimum depth signings, but I thought I would highlight the "Big Three."

    Draft Time:
    *Trade* Washington gives the St Louis Rams the 1.6, 2.7, 4.7, 2012 1st, 2012 3rd.
    Bottomline with this trade, this is a make or break year for Mike Shannahan, and without a franchise quarterback again, the Skins will struggle, and Shannahan will be out of a job once again. I foresee them making the most aggressive push for RGIII.

    Picks 1-5: Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III, Matt Kalil, Justin Blackmon, and Morris Claiborne.

    With the sixth overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the St Louis Rams select: Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa.

    Not the sexiest pick, but the best for the long-term future of the franchise given the moves made in free agency. Mike Mayocks #1 rated tackle, Reiff is 6 foot 6 inches, 300 pounds and started all but two games in his college career after redshirting in 2008. He is considered a solid run and pass blocker.

    With the thirty-third pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the St Louis Rams select: Zach Brown, OLB, North Carolina

    I am very excited to see this guy compete at the combine, as I think he is going to dominate it, but then the other part of me isn't because I think it will be precisely that that moves him up draft boards. This guy is a no brainer pick with us. He is quick and has good coverage skills. He instantly becomes the best OLB we have had in St Louis in a long time. He will find an ole pal in 2011 first rounder Robert Quinn. He has first round talent.

    With the thirty-ninth pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the St Louis Rams select: Mohamed Sanu, WR, Rutgers

    Sanu comes with a glowing recommendation from new QB coach Frank Cignetti. Cignetti used Sanu like a mad man at Rutgers. Sanu played RB, and QB in the wildcat while also obviously wide receiver. Sanu has ideal size 6-2 218. In my opinion he is going to grow and only get better as his NFL career moves on, and I think he has the potential to be one the best wide receiver to come out of this class. He has #1 WR ability. Paired with Colston, he won't have the pressures of immediately being the #1 WR on the offense, and can learn from a player with good character, and great success. Another plus on Sanus game, he is considered to be one of the best blocking WRs in the draft.

    With the sixty-sixth pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the St. Louis Rams select: Alameda Ta'amu, DT, Washington

    As of right now I think Ta'amu will be here when we pick, but things could change with a strong combine. He looked great in the senior bowl, and I think he could come in here and immediately be our run stuffing DT we need. He looks like a guy who also has a great motor for his size (6-3 341 lbs)

    With the ninty-sixth pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the St Louis Rams select: Chris Polk, RB, Washington

    This will be the steal of the draft. Book it. His stock is slipping because of speed questions, but all concerns of mine were answered while watching him absolutely shred Baylor on the ground. If Washington stopped a nosebleed, Polk would have walked away with MVP honors during that game and not RGIII. Polk steps into an ideal situation here in St Louis. He gets to learn from one of the best of all-time, while building up his skill-set to step in in 2 or so years.

    With the one-hundred-second pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the St Louis Rams select: Ben Jones, OC, Georgia

    Currently the #2 rated center behind only Peter Konz, Jones will step in and immediately become our starting center. He has good size at 6-3, 304. If he is off the board at this selection, I would have us consider another starting OC, Michael Brewster from Ohio St. But Jones is my guy. Drops back well pass blocking and always picks up the blitz up the middle, and apparently makes great line calls before the play.

    Rounds 6 & 7 depth.

    2012 St Louis Rams Depth Chart:
    QB- Sam Bradford/Kellen Clemens
    RB- Steven Jackson/Chris Polk
    FB- Draft Pick or Min signing
    WR- Marques Colston/Mohamed Sanu/Danny Amendola/Greg Salas/Danario Alexander
    TE- Lance Kendricks/Michael Hooman
    LT- Riley Reiff
    LG- Jason Brown
    C- Ben Jones
    RG- Harvey Dahl
    RT- Rodger Saffold
    LE- Robert Quinn/James Hall
    DT- Alameda Ta'amu/Justin Bannan/James Hall
    DT- Jason Jones/Justin Bannan/James Hall
    RE- Chris Long/James Hall
    SLB- Zach Brown
    MLB- James Laurinaitis
    WLB- Chris Chamberlain
    CB- Cortland Finnegan/Bradley Fletcher/Jerome Murphy/Josh Gordy
    FS- Quinten Mikell/Craig Dahl
    SS- Darian Stewart/Craig Dahl

    Please provide thoughts. I think this is an outside the box way to look at the off-season, and something I think if the cap number is attainable, has a very good chance of happening.

    Thanks for reading
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    Re: THolt Mock Off-Season 1.0

    Very nice off season! If the cap thing is true, we could pull this off, if not more. I like it. You improved the WR corps with a proven top 10 WR in the league, and across from him a underrated rookie who will develop into something good quickly. Addressed the DT position with both a 350lb run stuffing mammoth, and a 280lb best pass rushing DT in the league, great depth with Bannan too.

    You improved the positions of need, and with a team like this I could see us making the playoffs (the optimist in me speaking).

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    Re: THolt Mock Off-Season 1.0

    I don't love any scenario that sees us missing out on Blackmon AND Kalil. And given that Richardson is still available at six,it would be hard to knock him back.

    Given what you've done in Free Agency and with the leftover picks, I'm okay with it, but not thrilled.

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    Re: THolt Mock Off-Season 1.0

    I like the effort you put into this. The only thing i dont like is we really havent improved the run D in your mock. Brown is more of a coverage LB. And despite Ta 'amu's size he's more of a pass rushing DT than a run stopper.

    And i would rather have Bartell than Finnegan but thats just my opinion.
    But other than that i really like the mock, And would love to pick up Jones in the 3rd.

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    Re: THolt Mock Off-Season 1.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Bar-bq View Post
    I don't love any scenario that sees us missing out on Blackmon AND Kalil. And given that Richardson is still available at six,it would be hard to knock him back.

    Given what you've done in Free Agency and with the leftover picks, I'm okay with it, but not thrilled.
    I am strongly in team Blackmons camp, and he is the guy who I really want. I just am curious is Fisher would use a second overall pick on a WR, and I think if we deal down with Washington, he will not fall. Hence why I went an alternative route to what I even want in the first round.

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    Re: THolt Mock Off-Season 1.0

    Not to bad THolt. Ofc i prefer Blackmon but i dont mind Rieff and Sanu. Pretty solid and would give the Rams a B+ for this offseason. nicely done.


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    Re: THolt Mock Off-Season 1.0

    Can't complain on this one. Get a LT for a decade and a high celing WR in sanu and he will have colston on the other end!

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    Re: THolt Mock Off-Season 1.0

    Lets break it down:

    Agree with the cuts and re-signs pretty consensus; even if we dont save much by cutting smith we need to fill the roster spot better; smith is inconsistent and injured too often not gunna work.

    If your colston why in the world would you leave your situation with brees? Because you get to go to the Rams with the ultra accurate Bradford and an underrated D; good pick up along with finnegan we get 2 prime starts at the skill positions.

    TBH i do not want to pay jason Jones i say we keep bannan and find someone to play next to him at a cheaper price.

    Draft:
    I like Riley Reiff he would be a great addition but the pick would be a mistake. You have a game-changing RB on the board in Trent Richardson...in college he played behind mark ingram im sure he can learn from S-Jax work ethic and leadership... Richardson's potential is far superior to Reiff...i see where your going with the pick but sorry there is no way you pass up talent like richardson in that position.

    I absolutely love the 2nd round thou...put talent next to laurinaitis and then maybe we can stop the run. Sanu is an animal i graduated from Rutgers believe me we love Sanu in New Brunswick, NJ

    Zach brown and now Ta Amu: i wana see beanie wells try to run on us in 2012

    Polk is fine; Ben Jones is a guy i just hope we draft; he will be a career above average center (maybe 1 pro bowl)


    Overall i really like addresses all needs and we truly improved to roster no doubt about it.
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    Re: THolt Mock Off-Season 1.0

    Quote Originally Posted by BarronWade View Post
    Draft:
    I like Riley Reiff he would be a great addition but the pick would be a mistake. You have a game-changing RB on the board in Trent Richardson...in college he played behind mark ingram im sure he can learn from S-Jax work ethic and leadership... Richardson's potential is far superior to Reiff...i see where your going with the pick but sorry there is no way you pass up talent like richardson in that position.
    It's funny because when I was in the process of doing this my initial pick was T-Rich because I completely agree with you. If we are in this spot id LOVE T-Rich. However, I don't see Fisher passing up on a franchise LT. But I 100% agree T-Rich could possibly have the best career of anyone in this draft.

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    i think theres just too many holes that need filling (LT, WR, OLB, DT) that you would take Richardson with the pick. we have stevenJ and hes got 2-3 years left in the tank. how can you justify taking a RB in the first round when you cant open holes for him or give him a break once in awhile by throwing the ball.

    trade back to either #4 or #6 and take Reiff regardless. hope Brown falls to you in the 2nd or a stud DT like Dontari Poe.

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    Re: THolt Mock Off-Season 1.0

    Quote Originally Posted by RyanFoster View Post
    i think theres just too many holes that need filling (LT, WR, OLB, DT) that you would take Richardson with the pick. we have stevenJ and hes got 2-3 years left in the tank. how can you justify taking a RB in the first round when you cant open holes for him or give him a break once in awhile by throwing the ball.

    trade back to either #4 or #6 and take Reiff regardless. hope Brown falls to you in the 2nd or a stud DT like Dontari Poe.
    Can someone please tell me when LT position became a NEED? I understand people saying Khalil or Reiff are an upgrade over Saffold but that does not mean we are in dire NEED at new LT. I also think we should wait for both prospects height/weight and bench press workouts to see if they are actually an upgrade because Saffold's downside is the bull rush but right now both tackles weigh less than Saffold so we need to see there bench press.

    Also Fisher has never came out to say he does not trust Saffold at LT or he does not think Saffold is a good fit to protect Bradford's blind side. So taking Reiff is for an upgrade just like Richardson is an upgrade over Cadilac.

    Also WR and DT are no longer NEEDS in this mock because we signed Colston and Jones. So drafting Richardson makes perfect sense.

    Also THolt fan Jeff Fisher as never taken an OT in the first. In 2006 he could have taken Jamal Brown and had Jacob Bell (was an OT) move inside to guard but choose not to. He has more say now but I think he knows just how important playmakers are examples: Steve Mcnair, Eddie George, Kevin Dyson, Chirs Johnson, Kenny Britt

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    Re: THolt Mock Off-Season 1.0

    Quote Originally Posted by BarronWade View Post
    Can someone please tell me when LT position became a NEED? I understand people saying Khalil or Reiff are an upgrade over Saffold but that does not mean we are in dire NEED at new LT. I also think we should wait for both prospects height/weight and bench press workouts to see if they are actually an upgrade because Saffold's downside is the bull rush but right now both tackles weigh less than Saffold so we need to see there bench press.

    Also Fisher has never came out to say he does not trust Saffold at LT or he does not think Saffold is a good fit to protect Bradford's blind side. So taking Reiff is for an upgrade just like Richardson is an upgrade over Cadilac.

    Also WR and DT are no longer NEEDS in this mock because we signed Colston and Jones. So drafting Richardson makes perfect sense.

    Also THolt fan Jeff Fisher as never taken an OT in the first. In 2006 he could have taken Jamal Brown and had Jacob Bell (was an OT) move inside to guard but choose not to. He has more say now but I think he knows just how important playmakers are examples: Steve Mcnair, Eddie George, Kevin Dyson, Chirs Johnson, Kenny Britt
    It became an important NEED for this season, after it became so apparent after Bradford was so raw, in the pocket presence area. Then, beaten half to death, last season. If the Rams can trade back and Kalil somehow still falls our way, you couldn't argue with the decision. Remember Dick Vermiels first draft choice was the big trade for Orlando Pace. Kalil has the bloodlines of a Pro Bowl perfomer, so I expect big things from him.?
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    Re: THolt Mock Off-Season 1.0

    Quote Originally Posted by GROUND DOG 39 View Post
    It became an important NEED for this season, after it became so apparent that Bradford was raw in the pocket presence area, and he was beaten half to death, last season. If the Rams can trade back and Kalil somehow still falls our way, you couldn't argue with the decision. Remember Dick Vermiels first draft choice was the big trade for Orlando Pace. Kalil has the bloodlines of a Pro Bowl perfomer, so I expect big things from him.?
    I agree he was beaten to death last year but that is our O-line unit as a whole. We have 2 quality starters in Dahl and Saffold. 1 previously proven starter in Brown then plenty of injury and uncertainty...the o-line needs to be fixed i agree but LT is not a dire need...

    Yes Pace was our first pick up but you do not need the greatest OT to win a championship...Lets look at the last 2 franchise LTs taken in the top 3 of the draft Joe Thomas and Jake Long out of a combined 9 seasons they only have 2 winning seasons...idk about but as a rams fan i am tired of losing and a playmaker and game changer is the way to go
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    Re: THolt Mock Off-Season 1.0

    Quote Originally Posted by BarronWade View Post
    I agree he was beaten to death last year but that is our O-line unit as a whole. We have 2 quality starters in Dahl and Saffold. 1 previously proven starter in Brown then plenty of injury and uncertainty...the o-line needs to be fixed i agree but LT is not a dire need...

    Yes Pace was our first pick up but you do not need the greatest OT to win a championship...Lets look at the last 2 franchise LTs taken in the top 3 of the draft Joe Thomas and Jake Long out of a combined 9 seasons they only have 2 winning seasons...idk about but as a rams fan i am tired of losing and a playmaker and game changer is the way to go
    That doesn't mean to say LT is any less of a need, than WR. If the right player came along. Believe me, LT is a very important position in the NFL. Kurt Warner could tell you just how valuble Pace was for him. Kalil could be a key piece to the future.? Im actually hoping for a lot of changing names, around Rams Park this season. I sense a little more excitement, for training camp this year.?

    If Kalil is as good as they say, it would immediately improve both tackles spots in one foul swoop. Saffold moving over to RT, is a big improvement over the rest of the RT's on the roster. If Saffold IS as good as we all think he is, he will adapt to it pretty easily?.
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    Re: THolt Mock Off-Season 1.0

    Quote Originally Posted by GROUND DOG 39 View Post
    That doesn't mean to say LT is any less of a need, than WR. If the right player came along. Believe me, LT is a very important position in the NFL. Kurt Warner could tell you just how valuble Pace was for him. Kalil could be a key piece to the future.? Im actually hoping for a lot of changing names, around Rams Park this season. I sense a little more excitement, for training camp this year.?

    If Kalil is as good as they say, it would immediately improve both tackles spots in one foul swoop. Saffold moving over to RT, is a big improvement over the rest of the RT's on the roster. If Saffold IS as good as we all think he is, he will adapt to it pretty easily?.
    We could debate this all day lol... I agree with you LT is an important position... But im going to ask you a question because i am truly confused about this:

    Okay so other than is 2011 penalties his biggest problem was the bull rush and we said he needed to add bulk but he is listed at 6-5 323 and he had 27 reps at the combine; the reps are not great but they are average so in terms of size here is the difference
    Saffold: 6-5 323
    Khalil: 6-7 295

    Obviously these numbers are going to change come combine day but right now given his size numbers what makes you think Kalil will be better vs. the bull rush than Saffold? Because i just do not understand how Kalil is being ranked so high given his size under 300.

    Jake Long was 6-7 and 315 pounds (20 pound difference) at the 2008 combine

    Also you cant say because a person is good at 1 position he will be good at another. Personally i would keep Saffold on the left side no matter what and i want Dahl to play RT; RT is more important than guard and Dahl played well at RT.

    I dont think its a question of WR vs. LT as bigger need its playmaker/game changer vs. LT...Our D is good enough to keep the game close till the 4th we just need that player that will win it for us.

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