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    Trading down would be the right move for Rams Columnist Jeff Gordon

    Trading down would be the right move for Rams

    Columnist Jeff Gordon

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    04/16/2010

    If the Cleveland Browns want to trade up for the first overall pick to grab Sam Bradford, Rams general manager Billy Devaney should wave ‘em on. That would be the right move for so many reasons.

    Let’s set aside the obvious Rams ownership concerns for the moment and just look at the football equation.

    Rams coach Steve Spagnuolo set out to build a program based on strong line play, shutdown defense and a power running game. The first year was a bit rough -– a 1-15 finish, with the Rams fighting just to keep the scores close -– but the original plan made sense.

    Cleveland picks seventh. The Rams could move down to that pick, collect the 38th overall pick and some combination of additional picks (the Browns have three in the third round) and players.

    Browns president Mike Holmgren tried to downplay the possibility of a major play for Bradford.

    “I don't want to pull the rug out from everybody on our first draft choice,” he told the Cleveland Plain Dealer. “He's a coveted young man. To be able to go up and change somebody's mind ahead of us, you'd have to mortgage the ranch. I don't think in the real world -- I absolutely love the player, as do a lot of people -- in the real world, we're probably going to go in a different direction.”

    Yeah, but Rams fans can always dream. Here is how this trade could help move this program forward:

    * Gambling giant money on Bradford makes little sense for a franchise attempting to rebuild with defense and a ground attack. The Rams wouldn’t ask Bradford to do too much as a rookie in this conservative scheme, but it’s also true the team could find somebody to take this damage-control assignment for a lot less.

    Like, say, the current starter-by-default, A.J. Feeley.

    * At No. 7 overall, the Rams could address needs that fit Spags’ plan. Perhaps left tackle Russell Okung would be there. He could step right in and allow Jason Smith to stay at right tackle, where his run-blocking strengths are better served.

    Or the Rams could take running back C.J. Spiller, who would join Steven Jackson as a ferocious 1-2 punch. Or maybe the Rams could take pass-rushing defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul, who could become Chris Long’s long-range bookend.

    The Rams wouldn’t get one of the two impact defensive tackles at No. 7, but the team could still address one of their myriad needs in a big way.

    * With a pile 'o picks, the Rams could remain on red alert as the draft unfolds. If quarterback Colt McCoy started dropping toward the bottom of the first round, the Rams could burn a pick to move up and snag him. McCoy seems like a good fit for this ball-control offense.

    * Surplus picks will have giant value for the Rams, who need help almost everywhere. In a deep draft, there will be value on the board from start to finish. Devaney did OK rounding up depth on the fly last season, but this franchise needs to create serious job competition for the next training camp.

    We’re all sick of hearing that the Rams don’t have the players to do this or that. GO GET SOME PLAYERS!

    Moving out of the top pick would be unpopular with many fans, since Bradford could be a rather handsome Face of the Franchise. If Bradford went to Cleveland and developed into a star for the Holmgren regime, fans would squawk about this for years.

    And Bradford really could become a star, if given the time, coaching and supporting cast he will need to develop fully. He is a bright guy and a natural leader. He has excellent physical tools.

    But how would Bradford fare for the rebuilding Rams? Could this team be as patient as the Browns could be?

    If Holmgren wants Bradford -– and is willing to pay the high price to get him -– the Rams should jump at that opportunity and never, ever look back.

    Other quarterbacks are available in this draft. Other quarterbacks will come out next year and every year after that.

    Spags did not set out to build an Air Martz-like program dependent on great quarterback play. He set out to build a team capable of muscling up on both sides of the ball. In his dream scenario, the Rams quarterback would be an efficient game manager who minimizes mistakes and capitalizes on opportunities.

    That doesn’t scream “Bradford!” His philosophy demands that the Rams trade down if the right deal is there.

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    Re: Trading down would be the right move for Rams Columnist Jeff Gordon

    Quote Originally Posted by eldfan View Post
    if the right deal is there.
    In the end, isn't that the only part of this article that matters?

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    Re: Trading down would be the right move for Rams Columnist Jeff Gordon

    I hate theoretical arguments like Gordon's in that column. Trade the pick because we need tons of help in plenty of places. Duh!!!!! What kind of fan wouldnt agree with that statement.

    The problem is that the devil is in the details. Without a discussion regarding what constitutes enough and what some other team is willing to pay, the conversation is purely academic.

    One other thing that i dont like is the idea that we would trade the pick and them use a high pick on a running back. If you made a very short list of things the Rams DONT need its a running back in round 1 and trust me, i am the biggest spiller fan on this board (having watched him in person destroy georgia tech for four years). Sure, we need a back up to jackson. But personally, i wouldnt use a round 2 pick on a backup (see the brian leonard movie) let alone a round 1 pick because we have too many other needs.

    Now, Dwyer in round 3 would be very intriguing for me.

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    Re: Trading down would be the right move for Rams Columnist Jeff Gordon

    If they are willing to pay a kings ransom for the pick then I say trade it.

    I've been saying all along we dont need a superman for our QB, we just dont play that kind of football. I think McCoy, Clausen, or even Cambell would work fine for us if we were able to add more pieces with more picks.
    We are a power run offense and I would even suggest that a #2 RB (in our offense) is ALMOST as important as the QB. (however we better have a QB already going into the 3rd round)

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    Re: Trading down would be the right move for Rams Columnist Jeff Gordon

    Well of course if they offer something great it would be worth it, iF in fact it is something thats going to work out for the best on the Rams part..Because to me, if its not Bradford-its Suh; If its not Suh-its gotta be Bradford..

    If were going to miss out on one of those guys we better be put in a damn good position..

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    Re: Trading down would be the right move for Rams Columnist Jeff Gordon

    I'd need your house for the first pick. The idea of a runningback at number 7 when we're sitting with arguably the best back in the league in a deep back draft, makes no sense in any form of debate..

    If Bradford looks to be the real deal and checks out on all levels then you don't trade down for a "couple" of extra picks.

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    Re: Trading down would be the right move for Rams Columnist Jeff Gordon

    Quote Originally Posted by Bralidore(RAMMODE) View Post
    I'd need your house for the first pick. The idea of a runningback at number 7 when we're sitting with arguably the best back in the league in a deep back draft, makes no sense in any form of debate..

    If Bradford looks to be the real deal and checks out on all levels then you don't trade down for a "couple" of extra picks.

    Yes, and not only that, wouldnt it make sense that if other teams are SOOO interested in Bradford , then you would further realize just how much of a star he is going to be and you would be even MORE inclined to draft him?

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    Re: Trading down would be the right move for Rams Columnist Jeff Gordon

    I really don't like Cleveland's pick. It leaves us on the hook for a contract that would likely be in the mid $50 millions, for a guy who likely isn't worth nearly that much. C.J. Spiller would be virtually indefensible in light of Steven Jackson's presence and our lengthy list of pressing needs elsewhere, and I find it very difficult to justify paying an unproven Eric Berry more than what I assume we are balking at paying Atogwe.

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    Re: Trading down would be the right move for Rams Columnist Jeff Gordon

    Our offense isn't written in stone. Who says if we get Bradford we won't incorporate more pass plays into our scheme?

    Something to think about.

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    Re: Trading down would be the right move for Rams Columnist Jeff Gordon

    I am on record on many threads stating that Bradford should not be the pick at one. If he were so worthy locked in, why are we still working him out 6 days before the draft?. Maybe this is common, but it draws question to the certainty of taking him with the 1st overall pic, trading down should be done in a heartbeat.
    And to note, as reported, Bowie (I mean Bradford) being reluctant to sign before being drafted is the foundation of a disaster waiting to happen. The last thing you want from your "franchise" is missing OTAs and potentially some training camp trying to get Peyton Manning money without throwing a pass. This was reported after the workout he had with Shurmur today- that Sam was quoted as saying " they had me taking the snap from center and doing things I have never done before". Is this the guy you want missing ANY time trying to capture the last big rookie payday. Without discussing how spread offense qbs in college translate to success in the NFL, as Gruden stated " you have the worst pocket presence I've seen. You just don't slide well". And this is our guy???
    6 wins in three years. ( that hurt to type) We BETTER get it right and with more options, we have a better chance of doing just that.

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    Re: Trading down would be the right move for Rams Columnist Jeff Gordon

    Quote Originally Posted by ram1906 View Post
    as Gruden stated " you have the worst pocket presence I've seen. You just don't slide well". And this is our guy???
    That is a pretty poor misquote, Gruden does not say anything about his pocket presence. He said "You are the worst sliding down quarterback I've ever seen" not the worst pocket presence, and there is a huge difference. I don't care how much you hate Bradford, don't make up quotes about him.

    Also, the workout is due diligence. A team would be stupid not to do it, no matter how convinced they are. Any team would be dumb to take Suh without working him out as well. It's what you do to make sure you know what you are getting. Players look different in person than on tape, and you want to see them in person.

    And oh no! Not things he's never done! No successful NFL player was asked to do things in the NFL they didn't do in college. I suppose Shurmur telling Bradford "Perfect!" after some his throws means he really did poorly too, huh?

    Stop with the blind hatred and lame David Bowie comparison, please. It is such an unrelated comparison that it makes no sense.

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    Re: Trading down would be the right move for Rams Columnist Jeff Gordon

    I think I was too wound up from a stressful day on this one, so I am deleting it.
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    Re: Trading down would be the right move for Rams Columnist Jeff Gordon

    Quote Originally Posted by berg8309 View Post
    That is a pretty poor misquote, Gruden does not say anything about his pocket presence. He said "You are the worst sliding down quarterback I've ever seen" not the worst pocket presence, and there is a huge difference. I don't care how much you hate Bradford, don't make up quotes about him.
    Agreed, initially while watching the QB camp, I too thought he meant sliding in the pocket and was rightfully worried, but upon further review, he was talking about Sam's inability to slide to avoid taking a hit down field, kinda like Mark Sanchez. Now this can be worked on, and if you were watching the program Gruden was clearly trying to find and elaborate on the negatives of each player's game. If all he could find was that Sam was a bad slider, than hooray. Not sliding just shows me the kid wants to gain every yard he possibly can to help his team win.

    Oh look what I did, trying to derail the thread here. That's what happens when you criticize King Sam.

    BACK ON TRACK: If you listen to Holmgrem's follow up comments, he clearly stated it was not likely in the real world to mortgage the farm. Lets think about it for a second, why would the Browns want to get rid of all their picks, since they too are a rebuilding team? If Sam is really worth all of those picks to them, well that should just confirm to us that Sam is the right choice at number 1.

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    Re: Trading down would be the right move for Rams Columnist Jeff Gordon

    Quote Originally Posted by C-Mob 71 View Post

    BACK ON TRACK: If you listen to Holmgrem's follow up comments, he clearly stated it was not likely in the real world to mortgage the farm. Lets think about it for a second, why would the Browns want to get rid of all their picks, since they too are a rebuilding team? If Sam is really worth all of those picks to them, well that should just confirm to us that Sam is the right choice at number 1.
    Agreed on this. Most likely a Browns trade would involve either the 1st, 2nd, and all their 3rds, or the 1st, 2nd, and next year's 1st. All of which would be tremendous for the Rams, but at the same time horrible for Browns. Holmgren even pointed out the poor Ricky Williams move as a reason that is difficult to do. I seriously doubt Cleveland is willing to give up that much of their future for any player.

    Also, as maybe someone pointed out earlier, if all these teams are trying to trade up for Bradford, then doesn't that tell you maybe Bradford really does have something special?

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    Re: Trading down would be the right move for Rams Columnist Jeff Gordon

    Uhh! Where is TakeSuh when you need him!?!

    Mike Holmgren sounded rather clear to me about all this business with the Rams being very unlikely. I know that at this point there are smoke screens, silent statements, funny faces, no-news reports, espionage dramas, etc.x3. But I don't believe there is anything beyond a faint or remote possibility we go trading down.

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