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    View on "trade value chart"

    Why can't the Rams trade down. The "Trade Value Chart" was Designed by Jimmy Johnson Well over 10 years ago. With no Rookie cap the "Trade Value Chart" is obsolete. With a rookie cap other teams would make a trade, until the NFL fixes this problem it will be awhile before the teams on the bottom in the NFL will benefit.The Rams can start change in the NFL by trading down to the 5th - 10th and pick up a 2nd & 3rd rd pick. That is well below the "Trade Value Chart" moving to just the 5th pick in draft. That would really help the RAMS with so many needs. The Rams can still pick up that stud OT that everyone wants.

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    Re: View on "trade value chart"

    Its already been said a million times. There doesn't appear to be anybody drafting from 5-10 who would be interested in trading up to the #2 spot.

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    Re: View on "trade value chart"

    That didn't answer the view of the "trade value chart" .

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    Re: View on "trade value chart"

    There is a strong possibility that Billy D. and Spags are not thrilled with the talent available at #2 overall considering what the cost in dollars will be. I doubt we find any takers for a trade unless a team becomes absolutely besotted with Sanchez or Crabtree. I personally don't forsee that happening, but it's only my opinion which probably isn't worth 2 dead flies. Another factor is: any acquisitions we make in free agency, will likely affect our draft strategy. If Holt leaves (which I believe he will), and we are able to bolster the O-line in FA, it could cause teams to believe we are targeting Crabtree. particularly if he runs a fast 40 at the combine. (Apparently Crabtree has hired a specialist who will focus all his training efforts on getting MC to run the fastest possible 40 at the combine.) My hope is we get J. Brown or Matt Birk in free agency, and then draft either Eugene Monroe or Crabtree at # 2 overall. If we can trade back a few spots - wonderful, but at this point, I just don't see any takers. However, since we have the #2 overall pick in round 2, I'll bet we field several offers from interested teams. From my view, our second pick overall in round 2 will be very appealing, and far more affordable for teams eager to move up and grab a guy they covet ..

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    Re: View on "trade value chart"

    Quote Originally Posted by Shan the Ram Man View Post
    That didn't answer the view of the "trade value chart" .
    Well, to make it clear,

    Without a rookie cap, if the Rams were to make a trade for much lesser value in true Che Guevara fashion and the rest of the league was not to follow suit... well we'd look like bumbling fools.

    You need a partner willing to trade up and they need to be willing to give up substantial value to get the player they desire.
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    Re: View on "trade value chart"

    Quote Originally Posted by Shan the Ram Man View Post
    The Rams can start change in the NFL by trading down to the 5th - 10th and pick up a 2nd & 3rd rd pick. That is well below the "Trade Value Chart" moving to just the 5th pick in draft.[/B]
    Actually, it's not.

    The Rams' first round pick is worth 2600 points according to the chart.

    The Browns are in the fifth slot. Their first, second, and third round picks combine to equal 2480 points.

    It's a difference of only 120 points, which is a rather small difference given the total amount of points being moved by either side.

    So no, the proposal you suggested is not well below the trade value chart when moving to the fifth pick in the draft. It's actually rather on par.

    The further down you go towards the 10th pick, the more value the Rams would be giving up. But since you specifically mentioned the five spot, it's actually a pretty balanced deal according to the chart and not well below as you claim.

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    Re: View on "trade value chart"

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    Actually, it's not.

    The Rams' first round pick is worth 2600 points according to the chart.

    The Browns are in the fifth slot. Their first, second, and third round picks combine to equal 2480 points.

    It's a difference of only 120 points, which is a rather small difference given the total amount of points being moved by either side.

    So no, the proposal you suggested is not well below the trade value chart when moving to the fifth pick in the draft. It's actually rather on par.

    The further down you go towards the 10th pick, the more value the Rams would be giving up. But since you specifically mentioned the five spot, it's actually a pretty balanced deal according to the chart and not well below as you claim.
    Now you have me dreaming about such a trade... dang

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    Re: View on "trade value chart"

    NICK

    You forgot this sentence." The Rams can start change in the NFL by trading down to the 5th - 10th and pick up a 2nd & 3rd rd pick."
    The dash between the 5th & 10th means "through".

    I guess I should have said it this way.

    "That is below the "Trade Value Chart" moving to just the 5th pick to start with."
    Does that sound better! Trade Down would sure help the Rams with more picks.

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    Re: View on "trade value chart"

    Quote Originally Posted by Shan the Ram Man View Post
    NICK

    You forgot this sentence." The Rams can start change in the NFL by trading down to the 5th - 10th and pick up a 2nd & 3rd rd pick."
    Actually I didn't. I said in my post that "the further down you go towards the 10th pick, the more value the Rams would be giving up." So if the Rams traded down to six, seven, eight, etc, they lose more value. The further down they trade, the bigger the difference in value. That I get and agree with.

    But you specifically said "That is well below the "Trade Value Chart" moving to just the 5th pick in draft." That part of the statement actually isn't correct, because the value of your trade when moving from the second (2600 pts) to the fifth pick in the draft (2480) is actually very close. It's a difference of less than 5%.

    In fact, I would suggest that the difference isn't significant between the second and the sixth pick either. If the Bengals (who pick sixth) traded with us, their first, second, and third picks carry a value of 2360. That's only 240 points different than our first round pick. 240 points is only 9% of the total points we're trading. IMO, that's not a significant loss of compensation.

    I'd say it's right around pick seven or eight where the difference in value, according to the trade value chart, starts to not make sense.

    Also, according to your post, your theory is predicated on the idea that the Rams can trade down and still get the stud OT everyone wants. But let's take a closer look. If the Rams trade down to ten by trading with the *****, it's very possible they miss out on the stud OT they want. Detroit, Seattle, Cincy, Oakland, Jacksonville, and Green Bay could all potentially take offensive tackles with their first round pick. So not only do the Rams lose value by accepting less to trade down to the bottom part of the 5-10 range, but there's also a reasonable chance they miss the OT they want.

    As I see it, the only way the Rams could trade their first round pick for a first, second, and third is if the trading partner is picking seventh or higher. After that (8-10), it doesn't make much sense. Even if you don't look at it in regards to the trade value chart, that kind of move likely eliminates Curry, Crabtree, and at least three if not all four of the top OTs. Is that worth an extra second or third round pick? Not IMO.

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    Re: View on "trade value chart"

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    Wouldn't the Raiders be a good trade.
    Rams Rd 1 pick 2 2600 points 2600 pts
    Raiders Rd 1 pick 7 1500 points
    Raiders Rd 2 pick 39 510 points 2245 pts
    Raiders Rd 3 pick 71 235 points
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    Raiders Rd 4 pick 103 88 points or 2098 pts

    You don't think that could get trade done.

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