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    Re: What do you guys think about us taking Tim Tebow

    Quote Originally Posted by BarronWade View Post
    But Hub you can always teach a guy proper techniques and mechanics and with the work ethic of Tebow he can master the right mechanics just give him a year or 2. I mean the guy is doing with his will leading a whole team on his back he gave that Florida team an identity for years.
    Again...did anyone actually pay attention to Tebow this season? Florida did attempt to get him to master the mechanics this season. The result was the worst season of Tebow's career and a general neutering of Florida's once feared offense.

    Member his speech last year no one will play harder than him. He took the team on his back and lead them to a national championship.
    And this year?

    And for the Rams he is a 4 pillar player and he is bigger and way more physical than any QB on our squad. I mean it does make sense to take him
    So's Steven Jackson. Except nobody seriously suggests he should throw.


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    Re: What do you guys think about us taking Tim Tebow

    Quote Originally Posted by PeoriaRam View Post
    Florida did attempt to get him to master the mechanics this season. The result was the worst season of Tebow's career...
    Tebow's CMP% was better this year than any other (67.8%). You also failed to mention that he was sacked significantly more this year than any other (29). And he had his 2nd best season this year in total yards (2,895). Your statement is...wrong I guess.

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    Re: What do you guys think about us taking Tim Tebow

    Quote Originally Posted by The Optimistic Lamb View Post
    Tebow's CMP% was better this year than any other (67.8%). You also failed to mention that he was sacked significantly more this year than any other (29). And he had his 2nd best season this year in total yards (2,895). Your statement is...wrong I guess.
    Hmmm....Florida fans seem pretty unequivocal about this being the worst year of his career, so you should run that by them. Tell me what happens.

    Point production most certainly took a hit this year.

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    Re: What do you guys think about us taking Tim Tebow

    Quote Originally Posted by lamb
    This kind of debating is beneath you two. What a dumb pair of posts. You're comparing two scientists (one of them a paraplegic) to a Heisman winning QB. Logical flaws abound...
    Oh so you were being serious? You somehow come to the conclusion that AV and I think Tebow is dumb, and expect a serious response?
    Agree with my previous statement or prove me wrong. Don't dodge it.
    You added 1 + 1 and came up with -4.3. The statement disproves itself.
    But this is what I think the both of you are trying to tell me. "Tebow has no technique, and no hope of learning any."
    Listen carefully......Tebow has poor mechanics, and after 4 years of Florida coaching, he still has poor mechanics. Therefore, it is unlikely that he can acquire the mechanics needed to succeed as an NFL quarterback. And certainly would be too great a risk to spend the #1 or even the #33 selection in hopes of securing a franchise QB.
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    Re: What do you guys think about us taking Tim Tebow

    Quote Originally Posted by barronwade
    But Hub you can always teach a guy proper techniques and mechanics and with the work ethic of Tebow he can master the right mechanics just give him a year or 2.
    So then why not make Steven Jackson or Donnie Avery the QB. I mean....."you can always teach a guy proper techniques", right?
    I mean the guy is doing with his will leading a whole team on his back he gave that Florida team an identity for years.
    So then why aren't they playing for the national championship?
    He took the team on his back and lead them to a national championship.
    That's right. It was all Tim. We had absolutely nothing to do with that.

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    Re: What do you guys think about us taking Tim Tebow

    Quote Originally Posted by r8rh8rmike View Post
    Billick did do a great job of putting things in perspective. Tebow can get away with his unorthodox throwing motion in the NCAA, but it would be difficult to translate it to the NFL and be effective. Things just move at a different speed and unless he drastically re-tooled his delivery, I've got to believe he'd struggle.

    I'm one of those who love his drive, perserverence and athleticism, so I'll be very interested to see how he does at the next level. I'll be rooting for him.

    Not an argument, but merely a statement because I got a smile on my face reading this line;

    "can get away with his unorthodox throwing motion in the NCAA..."

    The best thing about unorthodox, is that it's unorthodox. I am not saying "TEBOW IN THE WILDCAT", but merely describing some unorthodox things that worked in the NFL.

    1) The Wildcat
    2) Michael Vick - The mobile quarterback movement
    3) 3-4 Defense? There was once a time when this was considered wierd.
    4) Coaches spying on other teams
    5) Spread pass offense
    6) Running 1/3 or less of the time
    7) Doug Flutie (He gets his own line, yes!)
    8) The Flea-flicker
    9) Onside kicks
    10) Kick Return Specialists

    Whether Tebow will or will not be a quality football player, labeling something odd about a player as the reason he may fail is not fair. Especially when it may be that it is what could cause them success. It is a cointoss, but you CAN teach and groom a gifted athelete into a football player, and more and more that is all you need...motivated football players. I know I wish we had some more on the Rams right now.

    Seems to me that we have a few select ones, and the rest are just here for the paycheck. Jackson is running with intent. Laurinaitis has something to prove. Chris Long was drawing double teams this year!

    Not to talk down about any others not listed, but there are definitely plenty of players who lack drive and motivation.

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    Re: What do you guys think about us taking Tim Tebow

    The bottom line is this...

    You don't spend a first or second round draft choice on a guy who needs to be taught the proper technique for the most basic skill needed to succeed at his position (i.e. throwing motion for a QB).

    Does Tebow have enough intriguing qualites to make him a viable late round option as a "project"? Maybe. But the Rams don't need a "project" at QB, they need someone who can come in and play within his first two years.

    I also think that, once you rate Tebow as a 4th round or later prospect, he becomes a moot point, as some team will likely take a flyer on him in the first three rounds.

    In my opinion, the Rams can't afford to be that team.

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    Re: What do you guys think about us taking Tim Tebow

    To O-Lamb and Tx:

    Tebow may have "it" or he may not. No one knows at this point. Odds are against him at this point. With the Rams having an astonishing lack of talent across the board save a handful of players, we don't have the luxury of taking a player on the first day of the draft (or early on the second day for that matter), that "might" turn into a steal down the road.

    I will go on record as saying I don't believe that it is impossible for Tim to improve his technique just because he was able to succeed with unorthodox techniques at the college level. However, we have far too many needs to address in the 2010 draft to expend a pick on a guy that it appears most if not all of us agree will need alot of coaching up to succeed in the NFL.

    I'd rather have a solid OT, WR, CB, LB, or RB before taking a flyer on Tim. The reason I didn't include DT is because no matter how much smoke and coyness emanate from Rams park, I believe Suh will be a Ram in April ..

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    Re: What do you guys think about us taking Tim Tebow

    I was never advocating the Rams taking Tebow at #1. I thought this thread was about would Tebow make a good prospect and from what I have seen in college why not? Would I take him in the first or second round? Probably not. Would I take him in Round 3 or later? Absolutely.

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    Re: What do you guys think about us taking Tim Tebow

    Quote Originally Posted by A-Web View Post
    Not an argument, but merely a statement because I got a smile on my face reading this line;

    "can get away with his unorthodox throwing motion in the NCAA..."

    The best thing about unorthodox, is that it's unorthodox. I am not saying "TEBOW IN THE WILDCAT", but merely describing some unorthodox things that worked in the NFL.

    1) The Wildcat
    2) Michael Vick - The mobile quarterback movement
    3) 3-4 Defense? There was once a time when this was considered wierd.
    4) Coaches spying on other teams
    5) Spread pass offense
    6) Running 1/3 or less of the time
    7) Doug Flutie (He gets his own line, yes!)
    8) The Flea-flicker
    9) Onside kicks
    10) Kick Return Specialists

    Whether Tebow will or will not be a quality football player, labeling something odd about a player as the reason he may fail is not fair. Especially when it may be that it is what could cause them success. It is a cointoss, but you CAN teach and groom a gifted athelete into a football player, and more and more that is all you need...motivated football players. I know I wish we had some more on the Rams right now.
    I wouldn't label his throwing motion odd, I'd call it a flaw. Big difference. Have you seen how long his wind up delivery takes? NFL corners will be smiling right along with you when looking at Tebow.

    That said, I would love to see him prove me wrong, because I love every other aspect of his game.

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    Re: What do you guys think about us taking Tim Tebow

    Eric Crouch has showed us that winning the Heisman means nothing in the NFL

    Taking Tebow is almost a luxury pick, he will be a gimmick player that may or may not pan out. A luxury, gimmick pick late in the draft could work for some teams. However, a team like the Rams, that has so many holes, cannot afford to throw picks away on a player like that. Instead of drafting Tebow in the later rounds of the draft, we would get better QB play from pulling a trade for Troy Smith.

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    Re: What do you guys think about us taking Tim Tebow

    I agree with AvengerRam and Golden Fleece that we cannot take a QB in the 1st round who needs to be taught proper technique. You can even argue that case for the 2nd or 3rd rounds. However not to take Tebow in the 4th, 5th, or not at all? Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but when logic flies out the window, the only reason I can think of is that some ppl hate Tebow, just for the sake of hating Tebow.

    Rockin Ram
    Scenario: St. Louis Rams (7th round pick) : Tim Tebow (FB) Florida. Not too shabby. Although, I doubt he's an improvement over Mike Karney.

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    Tim Tebow has no right ever taking a snap as an NFL QB.

    The Rammer:
    I'd prefer a player who doesn't cry every time we lose a game by a large margin, I'm not sure the turf at the Ed is made to drain that much water.

    Molar Pistol:
    i wouldn't take him with a 7th round pick, so i would be pretty angry.
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