Wonderlic Scores from Combine

[ramhard]

Here are the full list of wonderlic scores from combine. I don't think they mean too much on the defense side of the ball (except for safeties and middle linebackers). I think they mean more to offensive players, especially those that have to make reads and learn the Rams complicated playbook. The concern is that neither Brown (12) or Barnes (16) did all that great. The average is 21.9 with average for OT about 25, with Center and QB having the highest average position score (read and make decisions positions, followed by TE's and ILB (same read and make decisions). The lowest are the reaction positions (WR, CB, RB). Here are the average scores by position, and then the full list individually. I think in the past the Rams have looked at this favorably (didn't Curtis score high).

Pos. Avg.

(C) 28.2
(QB) 27.8
(TE) 25.6
(ILB) 25.4
(OT) 25.3
(P) 24
(OG) 23.4
(K) 23.2
(OLB) 22.2
(FS) 21.6
(DE) 20.3
(DT) 20.0
(SS) 19.5
(FB) 19.3
(CB) 19.2
(RB) 18
(WR) 17.9


Hangartner, Geoff (C) Texas AM 47

Smith, Alex* (QB) Utah 40

Miller, Heath* (TE) Virginia 39

Frye, Charlie (QB) Akron 38

Fitzpatrick, Ryan (QB) Harvard 38

Castillo, Luis (DT) Northwestern 37

Bajema, Billy (TE) Oklahoma State 37

Baas, David (OG) Michigan 37

Berger, Joe (OT) Michigan Tech 36

Bartell, Ronald (CB) Howard 35

Ruud, Barrett (ILB) Nebraska 35

Rodgers, Aaron* (QB) California 35

LeFors, Stefan (QB) Louisville 35

Kieft, Adam (OT) Central Michigan 34

Benekos, Bryce (P) UTEP 34

Ochs, Craig (QB) Montana 34

Grigsby, Boomer (ILB) Illinois State 34

Brown, Tim (OT) West Virginia 34

Canty, Chris (DE) Virginia 34

Preston, Duke (C) Illinois 33

Considine, Sean (FS) Iowa 33

Jones, Tyler (K) Boise State 33

Riddle, Ryan (DE) California 33

Britt, Wesley (OT) Alabama 33

Seward, Adam (ILB) UNLV 33

Jackson, Vincent (WR) Northern Colorado 33

Swancutt, Bill (DE) Oregon State 32

Smith, Alex (TE) Stanford 32

Pears, Erik (OT) Colorado State 32

Incognito, Richie* (C) Nebraska 32

Brown, Jason (C) North Carolina 32

Buenning, Dan (OG) Wisconsin 32

Essex, Trai (OT) Northwestern 32

Wilson, Stanley (CB) Stanford 31

Nienhuis, Doug (OG) Oregon State 31

Walter, Andrew (QB) Arizona State 31

Mankins, Logan (OG) Fresno State 31

Burnett, Kevin (OLB) Tennessee 30

Atogwe, O.J. (FS) Stanford 30

Newberry, Jared (OLB) 30

Moore, Lance (WR) Toledo 30

Boley, Michael (OLB) 30

Haldi, Josh (QB) Northern Illinois 30

Guidugli, Gino (QB) Cincinnati 30

Crowder, Channing* (ILB) 30

Pollack, David (DE) Georgia 30

Orlovsky, Dan (QB) Connecticut 30

Loper, Daniel (OT) Texas Tech 30

Fraser, Simon (DE) Ohio State 29

Alabi, Anthony (OT) TCU 29

Cody, Shaun (DT) Southern Cal 29

Alexander, Lorenzo (DT) California 29

Kaczur, Nick (OT) Toledo 29

Geisinger, Justin (OT) Vanderbilt 29

Crafts, Jonas (TE) UTEP 29

Roos, Michael (OT) Eastern Washington 29

Tuck, Justin* (DE) Notre Dame 29

Tatupu, Lofa* (ILB) Southern Cal 29

Connolly, Dan (OT) SE Missouri State 29

Griffeth, Kelly (TE) Fort Hays State 28

Mruczkowski, Scott (C) Bowling Green 28

Abdullah, Hamza (SS) Washington State 28

Campbell, Jason (QB) Auburn 28

Ezekiel, Liam (ILB) Northeastern 28

Elimimian, Abraham (CB) Hawaii 28

Dahl, Harvey (OT) Nevada 28

Holmes, Alex (TE) Southern Cal 28

Sheldon, Dan (WR) Northern Illinois 28

Patterson, Martin (ILB) TCU 28

Gandy, Dylan (OG) Texas Tech 28

Petitti, Rob (OT) Pittsburgh 28

Jackson, Tony (TE) 28

Edwards, Braylon (WR) 27

Orton, Kyle (QB) Purdue 27

Payne, Matt (K) BYU 27

Bragg, Craig (WR) UCLA 27

Snyder, Adam (OG) Oregon 27

Armstrong, Calvin (OT) Washington State 27

Beck, Jordan (OLB) Cal Poly 27

Bergen, Adam (TE) Lehigh 27

Long, Dustin (QB) Sam Houston State 27

Colmer, Chris (OT) North Carolina St 26

McPherson, Adrian* (QB) Florida State 26

Conway, Atcheson (SS) Bowie State 26

Tuiasosopo, Zach (FB) Washington 26

Collins, Jerome (TE) Notre Dame 26

Goolsby, Mike (ILB) Notre Dame 26

Grant, Ryan (RB) Notre Dame 26

Chang, Timmy (QB) Hawaii 26

Hodgdon, Drew (C) Arizona State 26

Grootegoed, Matt (OLB) Southern Cal 26

Pearman, Alvin (RB) Virginia 26

Terry, Adam (OT) Syracuse 26

Bulman, Tim (DT) Boston College 26

Rix, Chris (QB) Florida State 26

Ellison, Atiyyah (DT) Missouri 26

Johnson, Travis (DT) Florida State 25

Washington, Fabian* (CB) Nebraska 25

Williams, Darrent (CB) Oklahoma State 25

Hawthorne, Anttaj (DT) Wisconsin 25

Wilder, Sam (OT) Colorado 25

Herron, Noah (RB) Northwestern 25

Myers, Chris (OG) Miami (FL) 25

Hill, Leroy (ILB) Clemson 25

Poppinga, Brady (DE) BYU 25

Dreessen, Joel (TE) Colorado State 25

Morrison, Kirk (ILB) San Diego State 25

Frazier, Andre (DE) Cincinnati 25

Starks, Scott (CB) Wisconsin 25

Welsh, Jonathan (OLB) Wisconsin 25

Munoz, Michael (OT) Tennessee 25

Wilkerson, Ben (C) LSU 25

Hodges, Reggie (P) Ball State 25

Mathis, Evan (OG) Alabama 25

Hunt, Rob (C) North Dakota State 25

Dougherty, Ben (QB) Florida A&M 25

Ghiaciuc, Eric (C) Central Michigan 24

Cooper, Roger (OLB) Montana State 24

Leonhard, Jim (FS) Wisconsin 24

Underwood, Marviel (FS) San Diego State 24

Francisco, Aaron (FS) BYU 24

Pollard, Jonathan (OLB) Oregon State 24

Lyman, Chase (WR) California 24

Brooks, C.J. (OG) Maryland 24

Willis, Ray (OT) Florida State 24

Harmon, Jason (FS) Michigan State 24

Davis, Anthony (RB) Wisconsin 24

Fuller, Vincent (FS) Virginia Tech 24

Hedge****, Madison (FB) North Carolina 24

Curry, Markus (CB) Michigan 24

Watson, Mike (OT) West Virginia 24

King, Tyler (DE) Connecticut 23

Duckett, Adell (DE) Texas Tech 23

Currie, Airese (WR) Clemson 23

Nugent, Mike (K) Ohio State 23

Anderson, Derek (QB) Oregon State 23

Terrell, Claude (OG) New Mexico 23

Routt, Stanford (CB) Houston 23

Shelton, Eric* (RB) Louisville 23

Bigby, Atari (SS) Central Florida 23

Brown, Ronnie (RB) Auburn 23

West, Isaac (WR) Furman 23

Hodge, Alphonso (CB) Miami (OH) 22

Williams, Carnell (RB) Auburn 22

Holley, Terry (SS) Rice 22

Steitz, Nick (OG) Oregon 22

Rayner, Dave (K) Michigan State 22

Miller, Justin* (CB) Clemson 22

Coleman, Eric (DT) Clemson 22

Wallace, Rian* (OLB) Temple 22

Finley, Adam (P) Michigan 22

Sims, Wes (OT) Oklahoma 22

White, Jason (QB) Oklahoma 21

Johnson, Derrick (OLB) Texas 21

Clayton, Mark (WR) Oklahoma 21

Cody, Dan (DE) Oklahoma 21

Jackson, Marlin (CB) Michigan 21

Dudley, Kevin (FB) Michigan 21

McMahon, Pete (OT) Iowa 21

Kashetta, Dave (TE) Boston College 21

Fincher, Alfred (ILB) Connecticut 21

Rolle, Antrel (CB) Miami (FL) 21

Fox, Dustin (FS) Ohio State 21

Davis, Jim (DE) Virginia Tech 21

Sensabaugh, Gerald (FS) North Carolina 21

Wake, Derek (OLB) Penn State 21

Sproles, Darren (RB) Kansas State 21

Pouha, Sione (DT) Utah 21

Gates, Lionel (RB) Louisville 21

Jefferson, Jason (DT) Wisconsin 21

Enzor, Jamar (OLB) Cincinnati 21

Lawrence, Marcus (ILB) South Carolina 21

Williamson, Troy* (WR) South Carolina 21

Colquitt, Dustin (P) Tennessee 21

Lightbody, Sam (OT) Washington State 21

Johnson, Derrick (CB) Washington 21

Beriault, Justin (FS) Ball State 20

Ware, DeMarcus (DE) Troy 20

Buckles, Doug (OG) Mississippi 20

Jacobs, Brandon (RB) Southern Illinois 20

McCune, Robert (ILB) Louisville 20

McKenzie, Chris (CB) Arizona State 20

Maddox, Andre (SS) North Carolina St 20

Weeks, Marquis (SS) Virginia 20

Foxworth, Domonique (CB) Maryland 20

Novak, Nick (K) Maryland 20

Roby, Courtney (WR) Indiana 20

Thorpe, Cro (WR) Florida State 20

Thomas, Benard (DE) Nebraska 20

Perkins, Antonio (CB) Oklahoma 20

Williams, Mike* (WR) Southern Cal 20

Perry, Tab (WR) UCLA 20

Harris, Marques (OLB) Southern Utah 20

Omiyale, Frank (OT) Tennessee Tech 20

Coston, Junius (C) North Carolina AT 19

Allen, Jared (QB) Florida Atlantic 19

Huntley, Kevin (DE) Kansas State 19

Mathis, Jerome (WR) Hampton 19

Clarett, Maurice* (RB) Ohio State 19

McGruder, Lynn (DT) Oklahoma 19

Matthews, Will (FB) Texas 19

Benson, Cedric (RB) Texas 19

McFadden, Bryant (CB) Florida State 19

Barron, Alex (OT) Florida State 19

Mosley, C.J.* (DT) Missouri 19

Bullocks, Josh* (FS) Nebraska 19

Merriman, Shawne* (DE) Maryland 19

Davis, Thomas* (FS) Georgia 19

Gibson, Fred (WR) Georgia 19

Greene, David (QB) Georgia 19

Goddard, Johnathan (OLB) Marshall 19

Randall, Bryan (QB) Virginia Tech 19

King, Eric (CB) Wake Forest 19

Purify, Bobby (RB) Colorado 19

Browner, Brandon* (CB) Oregon State 19

Williams, Aric (CB) Oregon State 19

Emanuel, Ben (FS) UCLA 19

Hagler, Tyjuan (OLB) Cincinnati 19

Parquet, Jeremy (OT) Southern Miss 19

Spencer, Chris* (C) Mississippi 19

Awasom, Adrian (DE) North Texas 19

Wortham, Cornelius (OLB) Alabama 19

Jones, Matt (TE) Arkansas 19

Ridgeway, Dante* (WR) Ball State 18

Moats, Ryan* (RB) Louisiana Tech 18

Rhodes, Kerry (FS) Louisville 18

Russell, J.R. (WR) Louisville 18

Verdon, Jimmy (DE) Arizona State 18

Claridge, Ryan (OLB) UNLV 18

Clinkscale, Jonathan (OG) Wisconsin 18

McLendon, T.A.* (RB) North Carolina St 18

Dunn, Jon (OT) Virginia Tech 18

Green, Eric (CB) Virginia Tech 18

Brown, Reggie (WR) Georgia 18

Butler, James (FS) Georgia Tech 18

Farden, Cole (P) Oklahoma State 18

Scaife, Bo (TE) Texas 18

Ferri, Diamond (SS) Syracuse 18

Broughton, Nehemiah (RB) The Citadel 18

McCoy, Leron (WR) Indiana (Pa.) 18

Pettway, Kenneth (OLB) Grambling State 18

Young, Scott (OG) BYU 17

Brackins, Larry* (WR) Pearl River (CC) 17

Robinson, Derreck (DT) 17

Robinson, Leon (OG) Georgia Tech 17

Davis, Josh (WR) Marshall 17

James, Erasmus (DE) Wisconsin 17

Warren, Paris (WR) Utah 17

White Jr., Manuel (FB) UCLA 17

White, Roddy (WR) UAB 17

Green, Justin (FB) Montana 17

Houston, Cedric (RB) Tennessee 17

Johnson, Marcus (OG) Mississippi 17

Stewart, David (OT) Mississippi State 17

Birmingham, DeCori (RB) Arkansas 17

Barnes, Khalif (OT) Washington 16

Fields, Ronald (DT) Mississippi State 16

Holly, Daven (CB) Cincinnati 16

McMillan, David (DE) Kansas 16

Madison, Tony (WR) Kansas State 16

Blackstock, Darryl* (OLB) Virginia 16

Burns, Vincent (DE) Kentucky 16

Barber III, Marion* (RB) Minnesota 16

Fason, Ciatrick* (RB) Florida 16

Roth, Matt (DE) Iowa 16

Shazor, Ernest* (SS) Michigan 16

Cobb, DeAndra (RB) Michigan State 16

Pool, Brodney* (FS) Oklahoma 16

Stovall, Chauncey (WR) Florida State 16

Jones, Brandon (WR) Oklahoma 15

Nicholson, Donte (SS) Oklahoma 15

Dukes, Clifford (DE) Michigan State 15

Murphy, Terrence (WR) Texas AM 15

Hobbs, Ellis (CB) Iowa State 15

Shropshire, Darrell (DT) South Carolina 15

Curtis, Tony (TE) Portland State 15

Paymah, Karl (CB) Washington State 15

Bryant, Anthony (DT) Alabama 14

Hudson, Ray (RB) Alabama 14

Rogers, Carlos (CB) Auburn 14

Owens, Chad (WR) Hawaii 14

Gause, George (DE) South Carolina 14

Haye, Jovan* (DE) Vanderbilt 14

Cole, Trent (OLB) Cincinnati 14

Kemoeatu, Chris (OG) Utah 14

Arrington, J.J. (RB) California 14

Rheem, Joe (K) Kansas State 14

Vickerson, Kevin (DT) Michigan State 14

Colon, Jon (OT) Florida 14

Mitchell, Lance (ILB) Oklahoma 14

Collins, Nick (FS) Bethune-Cookman 14

Carter, Jerome (SS) Florida State 13

Babineaux, Jonathan (DT) Iowa 13

Jones, Adam* (CB) West Virginia 13

Marshall, Rasheed (WR) West Virginia 13

Berlin, Brock (QB) Miami (FL) 13

Long, Khari (DE) Baylor 13

Brown, Elton (OG) Virginia 13

Savoy, Steve* (WR) Utah 13

Harrell, Reggie (WR) TCU 13

Brimmer, Jamaal (SS) UNLV 13

Wishom, Jerron (CB) Louisiana Tech 13

Webster, Corey (CB) LSU 12

Haynes, Alex (RB) Central Florida 12

Frederick, Charles (WR) Washington 12

Means, Albert (DT) Memphis 12

Burt, Larry (DT) Miami (OH) 12

Everett, Kevin (TE) Miami (FL) 12

Thurman, Odell* (ILB) Georgia 12

Hayden, Kelvin (CB) Illinois 12

Harris, Kay-Jay (RB) West Virginia 12

Brown, Jammal (OT) Oklahoma 12

Manus, Tommy (WR) Morgan State 12

Hill, Efrem (WR) Samford 12

Rector, Jamaica (WR) Northwest Missouri State 12

Joseph, Keith (FB) Texas AM 11

Morency, Vernand* (RB) Oklahoma State 11

Davis, Chauncey (DE) Florida State 11

Bradley, Mark (WR) Oklahoma 11

Reyes, Walter (RB) Syracuse 11

Daniels, Travis (CB) LSU 10

Parrish, Roscoe* (WR) Miami (FL) 10

Gilmore, Howard (WR) Norfolk State 10

Reid, Lamont (CB) North Carolina St 9

Henry, Chris* (WR) West Virginia 9

Moore, Eric (DE) Florida State 9

Montgomery, Mike (DE) Texas AM 9

Patterson, Mike (DT) Southern Cal 9

Williams, Cedrick (CB) Kansas State 8

Gore, Frank* (RB) Miami (FL) 6

[HUbison]

Parrish, Roscoe* (WR) Miami (FL) 10
Gilmore, Howard (WR) Norfolk State 10
Reid, Lamont (CB) North Carolina St 9
Henry, Chris* (WR) West Virginia 9
Moore, Eric (DE) Florida State 9
Montgomery, Mike (DE) Texas AM 9
Patterson, Mike (DT) Southern Cal 9
Williams, Cedrick (CB) Kansas State 8
Gore, Frank* (RB) Miami (FL) 6

I'm real curious to see how many of these Einsteins show up in the Postons' stable.

[HUbison]

Fitzpatrick, Ryan (QB) Harvard 38

I thought ESPN was reporting that he made a perfect score. Only the 2nd one in the history of the combine.

[ramhard]

I think total score also includes a time component so he might have gotten them all right but took more time.

[HUbison]

Frank Gore - 6
Roscoe Parrish - 10
Kevin Everett - 12
Brock Berlin - 13
Antrel Rolle - 21
Chris Myers - 25

Man AV, good thing they can play football down there in Miami. :redface:

[HUbison]

Originally Posted by ramhard

I think total score also includes a time component so he might have gotten them all right but took more time.

Actually, the article said he set some kind of record in fastest time too...completed it in a little over 9 minutes.

[AvengerRam]

Originally Posted by HUbison

Man AV, good thing they can play football down there in Miami. :redface:

Well, I won't stick up for the undergraduate program at UM (I went there for Law School), but I also suspect that some of the really low scores come from players who don't even try on the exam because they don't care.

[ramsfan1975]

so that rb frank gore actually does know that hes playing football right? a score of 6? either he didnt try at all, or its a bad multiple choice test that he just but "a" as the answer for all the questions hopeing for the best or hes going to have a hard time knowing which direction to run the ball when he gets it......." no frank the other way!!!!" :tongue:

[HUbison]

Originally Posted by ramsfan1975

so that rb frank gore actually does know that hes playing football right? a score of 6? either he didnt try at all, or its a bad multiple choice test that he just but "a" as the answer for all the questions hopeing for the best or hes going to have a hard time knowing which direction to run the ball when he gets it......." no frank the other way!!!!" :tongue:

IIRC, Gore was placed in "special education" when he was in high school. He was obviously a talented athlete, but everyone told him he'd never go to college no matter how good at football he was, because he just wasn't smart enough. Well, he made his way into Miami, and according to the story I saw, he's worked very hard to earn his degree.

That apparently doesn't translate on the Wonderlic, but it's a good story.

[ramhard]

While we are trashing Gore for being dumb, he actually has a documented learning disability. So it is very difficult for him to do well on timed tests - he is dyslexic plus other issues. Of all the cases, he is one that I wouldn't ridicule. Now the others (especially Brock Berlin - a QB!!!!!) now they are open game.

[ramsfan1975]

gee thanks guys now i feel like a real jerk.......if i knew he had a learning disability (my wife has one also) i would have picked on someone else..it was only meant for the sake of fun in jest.....ill go and hide now.... :upset:

[HUbison]

While we are trashing Gore for being dumb, he actually has a documented learning disability.

I don't think anyone is trashing Gore. Actually I mentioned earlier that he had to be in special ed during high school and was discouraged from going to college. Now he's going to get his degree. In fact, that is something he should be proud of. Regardless of what he does in the NFL, he's already done more than anyone gave him credit for.