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    Would Snead Trade Out of Top Seven?

    Rumors are heating up about Detroit and Buffalo, who pick 10th and 9th trying to get as high as #2 to get the guy they want.

    While one can easily see why moving to 6th would work for the Rams, still landing them a top three tackle, a move to 9th or 10th, and even 8th if the Vikings rumors are also true, would leave the Rams out of the top tier of talent.

    However, any of those last three scenarios would almost surely have to return that team's 2015 first rounder.

    The question for fans is, would you be willing to deal down as far as even 10th if the team trading up offered their 2015 #1 as well as a high pick this year ?

    It would mean taking Zach Martin as your tackle, instead of Jake Mtthews or Taylor Lewan or Greg Robinson.

    But is that a big enough drop in talent NOT to take a deal, especially with Buffalo, who could have a high pick again in 2015. That's less likely with Detroit or Atlanta, both expected to compete for the playoffs.

    We KNOW how Les Snead likes to trade for future #1 picks, after all.

    Now imagine that after taking Martin at #9 and then a corner at 13 or after a small deal down, and a safety in round two, even if they don't get Buffalo's #2 this year.

    Then imagine they fix the O-line by taking a guard and a center in the mid rounds, or with an extra second rounder from the deal also find another couple LB RB, another DB or two, and a possible backup QB in 2014.

    Imagine going into 2015 as a really solid team now with two #1 picks again, one quite high.

    With no need at DE, DB, TE or OL, the Rams would be wide open to take a QB, DT, or WR as their only round one need.

    To me, having two picks in round one again would be worth adding Martin instead of those top three OTs, especially if they also add Buffalo or Detroit's #2 this draft.

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    Re: Would Snead Trade Out of Top Seven?

    Yes. If the Bills want to give us a RG3 deal, the Rams would be idiots not to take it.
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    Re: Would Snead Trade Out of Top Seven?

    Interesting Berry.

    Long write up on Martin if anyone wants to get a feel for what hes about.

    Chatard's Zack Martin should go early in NFL draft Thursday
    Phil Richards, IndyStar 12:20 p.m. EDT May 7, 2014
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    A record 30 top prospects will be in New York's Radio City Music Hall for the first round of the NFL Draft on Thursday, including five offensive tackles. Zack Martin will not be among them.

    He was invited. He respectfully declined.

    Indianapolis' hometown All-American preferred being home. He will be with Mom and Dad, brothers Josh and Nick, relatives, friends and teammates from Chatard High School and Notre Dame.

    That kind of preference might be a factor in why a couple of the draft's top analysts begin their assessment of Martin thusly:

    "I love the kid," NFL Network's Mike Mayock said.

    "I love Zack," ESPN's Todd McShay echoed.

    Martin's representative, super-agent Tom Condon, a former NFL offensive lineman offered more in the same vein. He characterized Martin as "the epitome of the client we want to represent."

    Man crushes aside, the draft is an exercise in unpredictability but McShay thinks Martin could go in the top dozen picks.

    "He is your classic plug-in-and-play-right-away guy in this league," McShay said.

    "Even though I have him fourth at tackle, he'd be my No. 1 center or my No. 1 guard," said Mayock, who projects Martin going between 9 and 13. "I believe that he is the only player in this draft who could start and play at a high level at all five offensive line positions."


    Notre Dame Fighting Irish former football player Zack Martin runs a drill during Notre Dame pro day at the Guglielmino Athletics Complex.

    Left tackle is one of the pass-dominant NFL's three or four most critical positions. Left tackles went No. 1, 2, 4 and 11 in the 2013 draft, when offensive linemen accounted for six of the first 11 picks.

    Left tackle is where Martin started for four seasons at Notre Dame and where the three linemen Mayock and McShay rank above him all played. They are Texas A&M's Jake Matthews, Auburn's Greg Robinson and Michigan's Taylor Lewan.

    As far as Martin is concerned, call him anything — left or right tackle, guard or center — but call him early.

    "I think I can play left tackle and play it at a high level," he said, "but I'm not going to throw a fit if somebody drafts me to play another position."

    The man, the model

    Vince Lorenzano, whose six Class 3A titles as Chatard head coach include two with Martin at left tackle (2006 and '07), estimated 60 college recruiters have visited Chatard this year. Many, Lorenzano said, so liked and coveted Martin they still talk about him.

    Notre Dame's Brian Kelly got him.

    Kelly redshirted Martin as a freshman, then plugged him in at left tackle. Over the next four years, Martin became a two-time captain and the team's four-time most valuable offensive lineman. Through nicks, tweaks and ouchies, through ankle and shoulder injuries, he started 52 consecutive games, more than any other player in Notre Dame's 127 proud seasons of football.

    Fighting Irish offensive line coach Harry Hiestand called him "the picture of what an All-American is."

    When an example was required, Notre Dame strength coach Paul Longo, offered, "you point and say, there is Zack Martin."

    Kelly went further.

    "He's the best offensive lineman I've ever coached, and I've coached some great ones," Kelly said after the Irish beat Rutgers in the Pinstripe Bowl and Martin became the first offensive lineman in a half century to be named MVP of a bowl game.

    Kelly's coaching credits include Joe Staley, a 2007 first-round pick of the San Francisco *****, who has been elected to the Pro Bowl each off the past three seasons.

    Kelly calls Martin "the model" and speaks of his legacy. He extols his leadership.

    As a senior, Martin played on a line manned by three first-year starters: Martin's brother, Nick, a redshirt junior center; sophomore right tackle Ronnie Stanley, and a pair of guards, freshman Steve Elmer and junior Conor Hanratty, who started eight games between them as injury replacements.

    That group yielded eight sacks in 13 games, second fewest in the NCAA Division I. Martin was everyone's big brother, mentor and coach.

    "I call it the 'Larry Bird effect,' " Kelly said. "An offensive lineman can make others around him better."

    Count on me

    Martin has missed a single game since third grade, that as a high school junior when he had mononucleosis.

    Fifty-two consecutive starts (50 at left tackle, two at right tackle) shouts accountability. It shouts: "I will be there for you every Saturday." It shouts toughness, and Martin inherited some. His father, Keith, was an Academic All-Southeastern Conference defensive tackle for Kentucky in 1982.

    "His mom is as tough as his dad, in my opinion," Lorenzano said. "They're the kind of family you want to walk down an alley with: Tough people, smart people, classy people, all in the same breath."

    Zack laughed.

    "Mom is always the one who busts my chops after a game," said Martin, who yielded a single sack in his final two Notre Dame seasons. "If I got beat on a play, the first thing she says to me is, 'You got beat there.' She gives it to me just as much as my dad."

    Said Mom: "I know a little about football, so we're going to hold him accountable.

    "It's about doing your best and trying to be a good teammate and being a good example and sticking with things."
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    North offensive tackle Zack Martin (72) of Notre Dame runs on to the field before the Senior Bowl NCAA college football game on Saturday, Jan. 25, 2014, in Mobile, Ala. (AP Photo/G.M. Andrews)

    Of bricks and brickbats

    Martin earned his degree in Management Entrepreneurship from Notre Dame's Mendoza School of Business a year ago. He spent last fall taking graduate classes.

    He has spent the past 4½ months training at IMG Academy in Bradenton, Fla., playing in the Senior Bowl, attending the NFL Scouting Combine, conducting private workouts for seven NFL teams and flying in for personal visits with the general managers, head coaches, offensive coordinators and line coaches of four more, none of whom he will identify.

    Martin has been measured, poked, prodded and probed. On one of his team visits he was taken to a room, seated in front of a television camera and asked to enumerate the ways he might use a brick.

    "Go!" The session was timed.

    To build a house or use as a paperweight, Martin suggested, or, possibly in deference to Mom's toughness, to throw through a window or slug someone in the head.

    Martin doesn't know his "brick grade" but about the only criticism anyone has made is his arm length, 32 7/8 inches as measured at the combine. "The 'Mendoza Line' with tackles," McShay said, is "33 or more and really 34 or more for obvious reasons: It just makes it harder (for a pass rusher) to get around the guy."

    We are talking meager distinctions here. Matthews' arms measured 33 3/8 inches, Lewan's 33 7/8, and Robinson, the most athletic of the top tackles, 35.

    Whatever, Martin's bricks are in a row.

    He will wait Thursday evening with former Chatard teammates who call him "Goblin" or "Gob" because of a perceived resemblance to a character in the video game "Goblin Commander." He will wait with the family that loves him and calls him "Z" or "Z-Man."

    He will wait for the NFL to call him a Falcon, a Bill, a Giant or whatever. He probably won't wait long.

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    Re: Would Snead Trade Out of Top Seven?

    I would gladly do it!

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    Re: Would Snead Trade Out of Top Seven?

    As with everything if the price is right. Which would have to be this yrs 2nd, and next yrs 1st. Your asking us to drop from having our pick sans one player to go all the way down to 9. Granted we could take Donald there and Martin at 13, or other combinations.

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    Re: Would Snead Trade Out of Top Seven?

    I hate to pass up the chance to get Sammy Watkins but the scenario Barry describes certainly makes a lot of sense. Especially if Bradford has a down season and Fisher/Snead decide it's time to move on and draft a QB in next years draft.

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    Re: Would Snead Trade Out of Top Seven?

    I don't like it. If we're set on getting an OT, we need to stay high and grab Matthews or Robinson. If we have our eyes set on a different player, though, I'd be open to it.
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    Re: Would Snead Trade Out of Top Seven?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rawr View Post
    I don't like it. If we're set on getting an OT, we need to stay high and grab Matthews or Robinson. If we have our eyes set on a different player, though, I'd be open to it.
    Agree with you and disagree with Mayock in that he has Martin rated higher when he moves into guard or center. I'd take Matthews over Martin every day at those other positions.

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    Re: Would Snead Trade Out of Top Seven?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey View Post
    Agree with you and disagree with Mayock in that he has Martin rated higher when he moves into guard or center. I'd take Matthews over Martin every day at those other positions.
    It all depends on the grades that are on these perceived 2nd tier guys. Mayock for example is in love with Zach Martin - and he says that he's the guy whose stock has risen the most since the end of the season with a dominating performance at the Senior Bowl and combine. If you've got Matthews at 7.4 and Martin at 7.1, taking him at a later spot and picking up some extra high round picks makes a lot of sense.

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    Re: Would Snead Trade Out of Top Seven?

    I wouldn't do it. Simply stated I don't want to pass on getting an elite OT. I acknowledge the bonus of adding another 1st round pick, but at some point we're going to have to transition from quantity to quality in the draft. We're in a a win now mode and getting an elite OT for the next 10 years is worth a lot. I think Zach Martin will be very good in the NFL, but he's not at the level of Robinson, Matthews or even Lewan. What we're seeing with Martin is the yearly push-up of OT's due to their positional value.

    I saw Draft Countdown has us taking Jake Matthews #2 in their final mock and Darqueze Dennard at #13. I'm fine with that, no trades. Just solid prospects.

    Go Rams!

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