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    This author does a good job with articulating some of the animal rights issues that I see.

    A Note About Michael Vick
    Posted by Gary L. Francione in Blog

    There has been an enormous amount of coverage of the alleged dog fighting operation sponsored by Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick. Vick and three other men were indicted on federal felony charges claiming that Vick had sponsored illegal dog fighting, gambled on dog fights and permitted acts of cruelty against animals on his property. The talk shows are filled with talking heads from the “humane community” condemning dog fighting and calling for Vick to be punished if he is, indeed, guilty. Nike and Reebok have suspended products endorsed by Vick.

    Please let me be very clear: I think that dog fighting is a terrible thing.

    But I must say that the Vick case is rather dramatically demonstrating what I call our “moral schizophrenia” about animals. That is, if one thing is clear, it is that we do not think clearly about our moral obligations to animals.

    In this country alone, we kill over ten billion land animals annually for food. The animals we eat—even those supposedly raised “humanely”—suffer as much as the dogs that are used in dog fighting. There is no “need” for us to eat meat, dairy, or eggs. Indeed, these foods are increasingly linked to various human diseases and animal agriculture is an environmental disaster for the planet. We impose pain, suffering, and death on these billions of sentient nonhumans because we enjoy eating their flesh and the products that we make from them.

    There is something positively bizarre about condemning Michael Vick for using dogs in a hideous form of entertainment when 99% of us also use animals that are every bit as sentient as dogs in another hideous form of entertainment that is no more justifiable than fighting dogs: eating animals and animal products.

    There is something positively bizarre that many “animal lovers” sit around eating meat that has the Certified Humane Raised and Handled label endorsed by The Humane Society of the United States while HSUS tells us what a bad guy Michael Vick is.

    HSUS and PETA are demanding that Vick be suspended from the NFL. As far as I know, neither organization demanded that Michael Jordan be suspended from the NBA because he promoted Ball Park Franks.

    There is something bizarre about Reebok and Nike, which use leather in their shoes, suspending products endorsed by Vick. They’re not going to allow a guy who allegedly tortures dogs to endorse products that contain tortured cows.

    In Introduction to Animal Rights: Your Child or the Dog?, I introduced Simon the Sadist, who derived pleasure from blowtorching dogs. We would all regard such conduct as monstrous because we all agree that it is wrong to inflict “unnecessary” suffering on animals and pleasure, amusement, and convenience cannot count as satisfying the “necessity” requirement. But then I asked the further question—how are those of us who eat animal flesh and animal products any different from Simon? He enjoys blowtorching dogs; we enjoy the taste of flesh and animal products. But we and Simon both kill sentient beings (we may pay others to do the dirty work) because we derive enjoyment from it.

    According to reports, the authorities removed from Vick’s property a “rape stand” used to hold dogs for mating. And “rape racks” are used to hold cows for impregnation. When a dog is involved, we are troubled; when a cow is involved, we ignore it.

    Michael Vick may enjoy watching dogs fight; someone else may find that repulsive but see nothing wrong with eating an animal who has had a life as full of pain and suffering as the lives of the fighting dogs. It’s strange that we regard the latter as morally different from, and superior to, the former. How removed from the screaming crowd around the dog pit is the laughing group around the summer steak barbecue?

    We are all Simon. We are all Michael Vick.

    Go Vegan.

    Gary L. Francione
    © 2007 Gary L. Francione

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    A vegan that doesn't like Michael Vick!
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      What? NO WAY! You mean people that don't eat animals want to protect animals!?!?


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        Originally posted by A-Web View Post
        What? NO WAY! You mean people that don't eat animals want to protect animals!?!?
        Not quite what he said

        He's saying that he doesn't understand what all the fuss is about when we routinely slaughter millions of animals for food in what he considers (and plenty of others) to be appalling conditions.

        He has a point but as he's obviously a card-carrying vegan he makes the erroneous point that people don't 'need' to eat meat, ignoring the fact that we're biologically plumbed and wired to do so.

        So while I think he's right to point out an element of hypocrisy, he ends up missing the target on this one largely as a result of his agenda.

        My take on it anyway.


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          This is a pathetic attempt to defend Vick utterblitz. This writer is an idiot


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            Originally posted by WestCoaster View Post
            This is a pathetic attempt to defend Vick utterblitz. This writer is an idiot
            This is not an attempt to defend Vick, it was an attempt to make people think about animals and what is acceptable and what is not. Death happens, inhumane treatment happens in today's world. I find it interesting that people's views are different on different animals. People know dogs, they keep them as pets, and they have climbed much further up on the animal importance ladder. Apparently people care more about some fighting pit bulls than they do about cows and pigs.


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              Kill for kicks (after torturing) or kill for food as humanely as possible without torturing.....

              i can`t tell the difference between the two.

              Yours Sincerely

              Stevie Wonder


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                I aint a veggie, but sorry, I know we dont like hearing it, we dont have the teeth or the ability to digest meat, like say, a dog does. Really sorry we dont. I know we dont like hearing it, pepperoni and pizza and cheeseburgers are my favorite foods. Red meat isn't a very healthy food for humans, but I do love it.

                There may be a difference in intent and maybe a difference in how savagely they are killed, without a doubt killing for the actual fun of killing rather than to eat is a very different mental state.

                Nonetheless, I dont try and pretend for one minute that things dont die and dont live as full a life because I like cheeseburgers.

                Its bizzare that in some parts of asia they eat dogs and cows are sacred. Their way of life is the flip of ours and they balk at the way we eat cows and us at the way they eat dogs.

                Maybe I and some others turn a blind eye to where my burgers came from, but how is this worse than animals fighting for their lives, being torn limb from limb? It just isn'.

                But to me the one thing we have to say is Vick KNOWINGLY broke the law.

                Got joy DIRECTLY from watching SAVAGE death.

                I just cant defend that.

                At all.

                He may now know it is wrong and be very sorry.

                But he has something in him which love watching death, savage horrible death.

                I dont like that.

                Please dont join the Rams.
                The Breakfast Club. You want cheese with that?


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