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  • BCS a huge joke ... AGAIN!

    Besides the obvious weak undefeated teams being overanked, i.e. Boise St. and Louisville, how can Cal be ahead of Tennessee? UT whipped Cal, thet each have one loss and UT has played more top 10 teams than Cal so this system has to go.

    Lets not forget that Rutgers played Howard and other "tough" opponents to earn spot 14.

    Definetely a joke!!!

    What say ye?


    Rk Team Rec Rk Pts % Rk Pts % Rk Avg Avg Pre

    1. Ohio St. (8-0) 1 2848 1.008 1 1575 1.016 3 .930 .9764 1
    2. Michigan (8-0) 2 2685 .950 3 1454 .938 1T .970 .9451 3
    3. USC (6-0) 3 2640 .935 2 1469 .948 1T .970 .9430 2
    4. West Virginia (7-0) 4 2480 .878 4 1394 .899 14 .510 .7551 5
    5. Auburn (7-1) 7 2114 .748 7 1178 .760 6 .750 .7466 4
    6. Florida (6-1) 9 1969 .697 8 1051 .678 4 .820 .7261 6
    7. Texas (7-1) 5 2342 .829 5 1308 .844 13 .520 .7241 9
    8. Louisville (7-0) 6 2164 .766 6 1205 .777 9 .640 .7215 7
    9. Notre Dame (6-1) 10 1830 .648 10 1019 .657 8 .730 .6730 8
    10. California (7-1) 11 1733 .613 12 923 .595 5 .810 .6680 10
    11. Tennessee (6-1) 8 1981 .701 9 1046 .675 11 .590 .6497 11
    12. Clemson (7-1) 12 1729 .612 11 962 .621 15 .440 .5525 12
    13. Arkansas (6-1) 14 1342 .475 14 700 .452 10 .600 .5051 13
    14. Rutgers (7-0) 15 1129 .400 16 557 .359 7 .740 .4966 16
    15. Boise St. (8-0) 16 1109 .393 15 667 .430 12 .540 .4509 15
    16. LSU (6-2) 13 1373 .486 12 923 .595 20 .210 .3830 18
    17. Boston College (6-1) 17 985 .349 17 530 .342 16T .430 .3707 20
    18. Wisconsin (7-1) 18 940 .333 18 525 .339 16T .430 .3644 21
    19. Oklahoma (5-2) 19 797 .282 19 450 .290 NR .000 .1885 22
    20. Missouri (7-1) 21 503 .178 23 229 .148 19 .230 .1840 24
    21. Texas A&M (7-1) 23 374 .132 22 263 .170 21T .150 .1494 26
    22. Nebraska (6-2) 20 635 .225 20 328 .212 NR .000 .1437 17
    23. Oregon (5-2) 24 317 .112 24 228 .147 21T .150 .1353 14
    24. Georgia Tech (5-2) 22 422 .149 21 264 .170 26 .070 .1286 19
    25. Washington St. (5-3) 31 12 .004 37 2 .001 18 .290 .0985 --
    Socrates: Surf to live! and Live to Surf!

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    Re: BCS a huge joke ... AGAIN!

    while i agree the tenn and cal rankings make no sense, keep in mind that the poll will to some degree work itself out as the teams play through their skeds. Thus, rutgers for example is ranked 14 in large part because they are undefeated. they play louisville and west virginia coming up. If they lose to both, chances are pretty good they wont be anywhere near 14.

    No poll is perfect, this is why the nfl playoffs are so great, because once you are in, there is no best of 7, its one game one time.

    There is no really good solution for measuring margain of victory, strength of sked, quality wins and losses. I believe that head to head competition is a vastly undervalued element. I dont care what anyone says, you cant rank two comparable teams like tenn and cal in a way that puts cal ahead of tenn when tenn killed them. That doesnt mean of course that if the raiders beat the seahawks in two weeks they deserve to be ranked ahead of them, it just means that they were the better team on that day.

    ramming speed to all

    general counsel

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    • #3
      Re: BCS a huge joke ... AGAIN!

      Originally posted by general counsel View Post
      while i agree the tenn and cal rankings make no sense, keep in mind that the poll will to some degree work itself out as the teams play through their skeds. Thus, rutgers for example is ranked 14 in large part because they are undefeated. they play louisville and west virginia coming up. If they lose to both, chances are pretty good they wont be anywhere near 14.

      No poll is perfect, this is why the nfl playoffs are so great, because once you are in, there is no best of 7, its one game one time.

      There is no really good solution for measuring margain of victory, strength of sked, quality wins and losses. I believe that head to head competition is a vastly undervalued element. I dont care what anyone says, you cant rank two comparable teams like tenn and cal in a way that puts cal ahead of tenn when tenn killed them. That doesnt mean of course that if the raiders beat the seahawks in two weeks they deserve to be ranked ahead of them, it just means that they were the better team on that day.

      ramming speed to all

      general counsel
      While I agree that the poll will work "itself" out as the season plays out, the teams that play in the brutal conferences should get more recognition, i.e. the Sec and the Big 10 before the ironing out. It seems that the slac-10 are getting more votes but for exactly what I do not know and the big 12 still has jerky swoops thinking their conference is tough. Other than Texas, who was soundly defeated by OSU there really is not much talent there this year in said conference.

      Only a few "worthy" media members should have a say in all rankings, no instant replay officials should have any history with a school or league they are reviewing and let there be another "major overhaul" or this needs to go to a playoff system. IMHO
      Socrates: Surf to live! and Live to Surf!

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      • #4
        Re: BCS a huge joke ... AGAIN!

        Human error always has and always will be a part of the game. I am not so sure that you will ever be able to remove that from the mix. However, I do agree that neutral offciating crews would be appropriate for mixed conference play.

        I like the idea of the top four teams in a playoff based upon their record and strength of schedule. It could be done after the bowl games I guess. That would leave no doubt as to who is number one. However, some conference or team will still find a way to cry foul. It can be done, but this idea would cut into the bowl money that is paid out (meaning bowls would not pay as much). Many conferences or teams will cry poverty over this because bowl games are a cash cow for universities. What it all boils down to is still $money$. It may never happen, so I guess we should get used to what we have and hope that they continue to improve upon it.

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        • #5
          Re: BCS a huge joke ... AGAIN!

          Well, when the formula includes strength of schedule but the entire schedule hasn't been played yet, then you're obviously going to have some questionable scenarios. Let's see what it looks like at the end of the year.

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          • DJRamFan
            Weekend in Review: 'New' BCS still could produce a mess
            by DJRamFan
            Oct. 10, 2004
            By Dennis Dodd
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            Tell Dennis your opinion!


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            2. USC
            3. Miami
            4. Florida State
            5. Auburn
            6. Virginia
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            8. Louisville
            9. Georgia
            10. Texas
            11. Utah
            12. Boise State
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            14. Arizona State
            15. Cal
            16. LSU
            17. Michigan
            18. Tennessee
            19. Florida
            20. West Virginia
            21. Oklahoma State
            22 Minnesota
            23. Navy
            24. Southern Miss
            25. Missouri
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            What's it all mean? Refer back to last season when the BCS couldn't make up its mind between LSU, USC and Oklahoma. A similar nightmare scenario is developing.

            Three words: Split national champions. The new BCS that was supposed to lessen that likelihood looks like it is leading down the same path. Remember, there is nothing in the new BCS formula that can pick the "right" teams if there are three or more worthy teams for the two Orange Bowl slots at the end of the season. By leaning more on the human polls this year, the BCS commissioners are hoping the credibility of those rankings will sort things out.

            One of many problems: The computers still count for one-third of the formula, which could just as likely create split champions as prevent it. Last season, LSU, Oklahoma and USC all lost one game before the bowls. The BCS math picked Oklahoma and LSU to play in the Sugar Bowl despite the fact USC was No. 1 in both human polls.

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            Here's an early glimpse at this year's potential train wreck: Assume there are these 13 legitimate national championship contenders at this point. Nine of them are undefeated -- USC, Oklahoma, Miami, Purdue, Wisconsin, Virginia, Utah, Arizona State and Auburn. Four have one loss -- Florida State, Michigan, Cal and Tennessee.

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          • Nick
            AP Top 25 - 9/5/06
            by Nick
            Code:
            RANK	TEAM                RECORD     PTS       LAST
            ------------------------------------------------------------
            1       Ohio St. (39)       1-0        1568       1
            2       Texas (7)           1-0        1453       3
            3       Southern Cal (3)    1-0        1410       6
            4       Notre Dame (8)      1-0        1408       2
            4       Auburn (3)          1-0        1408       4
            6       West Virginia (5)   1-0        1356       5
            7       Florida             1-0        1191       7 
            8       LSU                 1-0        1185       8
            9       Florida St.         1-0        1130      11
            10      Michigan            1-0         841      14
            11      Tennessee           1-0         839      23
            12      Georgia             1-0         836      15
            13      Louisville          1-0         820      13
            14      Iowa                1-0         800      16
            15      Oklahoma            1-0         725      10
            16      Virginia Tech       1-0         673      17
            17      Miami               0-1         624      12
            18      Clemson             1-0         564      18
            19      Penn St.            1-0         467      19
            20      Oregon              1-0         436      21
            21      Nebraska            1-0         358      20
            22      California          0-1         212       9
            23      TCU                 1-0         198      22
            24      Texas Tech          1-0         196      25
            25      Arizona St.         1-0         134      24
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            Poor Cal, that's quite a drop.
            -09-05-2006, 02:55 PM
          • DJRamFan
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            5. Georgia - 5-0 - 1,389
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            How sweet it is.....

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