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    I'd like to note what WalterFootball has these negatives for Sam Bradford:

    # Weaknesses:
    1 Toughness really hasn't been tested at this point in his career; never seen pass rush
    2 Arm strength is good, but he will struggle to fit ball in tight windows if he doesn't make very quick decisions
    3 We really do not know if he can make throws on the run yet
    4 Doesn't make any jaw-dropping throws
    5 Doesn't have Stafford/Sanchez level of upside
    6 Is never really forced out of pocket

    So basically the weaknesses are that he
    1. doesn't take enough sacks.
    2 & 4. He doesn't throw into double and triple coverage enough to prove he has elite arm strength.
    3 & 6. He gets rid of the ball so fast that he doesn't have to scramble enough to prove that he can. (literally his speed of delivery is now a negative)
    5. Doesn't have the upside of Stafford's 54% completion %, 6TDs to 12 INTS and 59 passer rating. Note that the same guy said Sanchez had the same upside as Leinert but not the upside of Stafford. Are these insults or complements? The upside is more relative to arm strength than actually making good decisions and throwing an accurate pass I guess.

    The horror this guy must be.

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    Re: Sam Bradford

    First of all Walter football isn't the best cite for player info. Some of the things are plain stupid and wrong.

    1. Bradford not getting sacked has more to do with the system than anything
    2. He makes good decisions and his system he is smart enough not to make those throws
    3. He doesn't have to scramble alot, because he doesn't face alot of pressure because of a good line and he is always in the shotgun

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    • #3
      Re: Sam Bradford

      First of all he was never ALWAYS in the shotgun. That's completely false because he ran much of the offense from under center. Talk about false information....

      Secondly one of his greatest strengths is his quick delivery.

      Lastly, what system is it that they run in Oklahoma that is such a dominant factor that sack totals are reduced so dramatically without the QB being a dominant factor?

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      • #4
        Re: Sam Bradford

        i don't know, most of those look pretty negative to me. i've seen bulger and boller take a whole lot of pressure this year, and been forced to move out of the pocket and make throws on the run, and have taken plenty of hard hits for their efforts. if those things are all question marks, it's a problem.

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        • #5
          Re: Sam Bradford

          Originally posted by RebelYell View Post
          First of all he was never ALWAYS in the shotgun. That's completely false because he ran much of the offense from under center. Talk about false information....

          Secondly one of his greatest strengths is his quick delivery.

          Lastly, what system is it that they run in Oklahoma that is such a dominant factor that sack totals are reduced so dramatically without the QB being a dominant factor?
          He plays in a spread offense, which means that most of the pass plays he executes is out of shotgun. This requires less footwork, gives less chance of a sack, and this helps him with his quick delivery.

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          • #6
            Re: Sam Bradford

            Originally posted by RockinRam View Post
            He plays in a spread offense, which means that most of the pass plays he executes is out of shotgun. This requires less footwork, gives less chance of a sack, and this helps him with his quick delivery.
            If that's the case, why does Garcia have 32 sacks at South Carolina, Jacoby Harris 27, Todd Reesing 24, Tebow 23, Juice Williams 22, Mallett 21?

            Then explain why McCoy has 16, Gabbert w/ a sprained ankle 14 and LeFevour has only 12. Maybe it's something along the lines of ability to move, speed of release and speed of execution instead of just being a "system" explanation. Saying it's the system is a lazy analysis.

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            • #7
              Re: Sam Bradford

              Originally posted by RebelYell View Post
              If that's the case, why does Garcia have 32 sacks at South Carolina, Jacoby Harris 27, Todd Reesing 24, Tebow 23, Juice Williams 22, Mallett 21?

              Then explain why McCoy has 16, Gabbert w/ a sprained ankle 14 and LeFevour has only 12. Maybe it's something along the lines of ability to move, speed of release and speed of execution instead of just being a "system" explanation. Saying it's the system is a lazy analysis.

              Of course if you play out of the shotgun, you're still going to get sacked. It doesn't give you an invisible force field. If you get sacked out of shotgun, it means:

              Your footwork is bad/inability to escape pass rushers
              No open receivers/bad talent
              Inability to make reads/inability to read the defense
              Bad playcalling/Inexperience running the offense
              Offensive line sucks/O-line blocked poorly

              See a resemblance? It resembles the exact same problems you would have if you played under center.

              So...playing out of shotgun is like playing under center, except that you have less chance to get sacked. Why? Like I said above, it requires less footwork, and it buys you a bit more initial time, and it gives you the opportunity for a quicker release. But that doesn't mean spread offense QB's won't get sacked. A lot of colleges use spread offenses, that's why their QB's generally have a hard time getting used to the NFL.

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              • #8
                Re: Sam Bradford

                Duke Robinson, Trent Williams, Phil Loadholt were all All Americans. System and an elite line gave him alot of help. When you spend most of your time in the shotgun there is a little drop back or no dropback at all. That is one 1 to 3 seconds you are not getting under center.

                I'm not saying I don't want Bradford or he stinks, that is not the case at all he is my second favorite QB. You have to question the majority of the time he spends in the shotgun. Going from a college spread where he is under center 95% or more to a power run scheme we run where he is under center most of the time is tough. There is alot to consider in that transition and that may be even more important in our analysis than his injury problems.

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                • #9
                  Re: Sam Bradford

                  If he ran the offense routinely under center, do you possibly see how that's different than a guy who ALWAYS runs it from the shotgun? You see, he HAS proven he has the footwork to at least some extent. I see how you get confused though. You thought he ALWAYS ran from the shot and then you want your analysis to fit that mistake.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Sam Bradford

                    I believe one of the most important factors in any QB is their play while under pressure.
                    Boy, their must be a few plays where he is under pressure and had to adlib.
                    Walters Football must be one to miss.
                    Ive never seen Sam Bradford play or any of the other top college QB's.
                    Ive seen highlights on youtube of all the Qb's and to me Bradford looks rather good.
                    His size concerned me a little, skinny man, but he reminded me a bit of P.Manning
                    with his action. Arm strength looked fine also. Would definately like to see him play live
                    to gauge him better. Out for year i think, injury prone ??
                    Last edited by GroundDog39; -11-25-2009, 04:44 AM.

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                    • xkidflowx
                      Sam Bradford Arm Strength.?
                      by xkidflowx
                      What do you guys think of it ? i was just looking at some of his highlights and saw people's comments and they are definitely hating on him.. and they saw he doesnt have the Deep ball it takes for the league ..

                      When i see his deep balls , they have no ZIP into it.. they stay in the air for quite awhile.. but wen he throws 10-20 yarders they have the quickest zip i've seen in awhile...

                      so what are your guys thoughts about his arm strength? i just hope he isnt a Chad Pennington .. all accuracy no arm .
                      -02-10-2011, 12:52 PM
                    • AvengerRam_old
                      Film Review: Sam Bradford
                      by AvengerRam_old
                      After throwing my back out this weekend, I've had a lot of time to review film of Sam Bradford on YouTube. Here's what I observed:

                      Delivery/Release
                      Bradford has a very quick delivery. He does not have a pure, over-the-top throwing motion and, at times, drops to a 3/4 release point. However, his motion is very compact, and he has no "tell" (i.e. long wind-up, telegraphing direction of throws).

                      Accuracy
                      Definitely his strong suit. He shows the ability to hit receivers in stride, allowing for a lot of YAC. He also shows great touch on fade patterns, and throws to the back of the end zone.

                      Deep Ball
                      I was struck by how few deep throws are represented in Bradford's highlight films. Perhaps this is due, in part, to the style of offense he played in. On the few deep balls I observed, Bradford's spiral was less than perfect, but his accuracy was still very good.

                      Arm Strength
                      As stated, not a lot of strong deep ball evidence to call Bradford a "strong armed" QB. That said, his mid-range (15-25 yard) throws were typically thrown on a rope, even when thrown to the sideline. I'd say he has better arm strenth than, say, Chad Pennington, but he's not going to beat Jay Cutler in a distance contest.

                      Footwork
                      Another strong point. Bradford slides in the pocket very well without getting happy feet. He is also exceptional at squaring his body quickly to avoid throws off the back foot, even when rolling out. He's not fast, and isn't a guy looking to run the ball, but he is a guy who can pick up yards when the pocket breaks down.

                      In sum, I like what I saw. Granted, I was watching highlight films, not game films, but there is no shortage of evidence of strong skills. In terms of overall style and ability, I still look at Bradford as being comparable to Kurt Warner. He has many of the same skills, as well as limitations. Whether he has that extra "it" factor that Kurt had... that I can't tell you from watching highlight films.

                      However, I can conclusively state that he is considerably more impressive than Jimmy Clausen and Tony Pike (both of whom I say play several times this year), and clearly has better overall tools than Dan LeFevour and Colt McCoy (who I also saw quite a bit of last year).

                      In case you are wondering, Suh is still at the top of my draft board. But its closer than ever now.
                      -03-11-2010, 10:13 AM
                    • GroundDog39
                      Sam Bradford's development.?
                      by GroundDog39
                      After Sam Bradford's stellar rookie campaign, and with all the attributes he shown last year, in the WCO? I think the majority of us fan's, just took it for granted, that Bradford would take that next step, and be that true franchise QB, without to many problems? When in reality, it was a massive oversight.? To go from the QB friendly WCO, to one of the most complicated offensive system's in the whole league, with the lockout as well. It was simply too much, too soon for Bradford.? Its not been a total waste though, as Sam has gained valuable experience this year, and now should have a much better perspective, of what playing QB in the NFL is all about.? In most cases, QB's take their lumps in their rookie year, but not Bradford.? Last season, a huge emphasis was put in, to make sure this young team protected their $80 million investment, whilst his shoulder strengthened. The WCO was a great fit for Bradford,
                      I think it fit with his game, and his mentality.?
                      The McD offense is another story. Bradford isnt as comfortable as YET, which is to be expected. I think the poise he had in the WCO, it just isnt their with the new offense.
                      He looked very flustered to me in the first four games, waiting for the deeper routes to break. The big difference is in the amount of pressure that Bradford is under, compared to last year, its night and day. Then their is all the new responsibilities he has taken on this year, which only makes it harder still. I think his head has nearly exploded a few times out there this season. For Bradford to play well, he is the type of QB who needs to get in a rhythm. Getting the rhythm going in Mcd's O, Bradford really needs to develop his game, his accuracy on the long and intermediate passes just hasnt been as consistent as advertised. Its still very good though at times. I think Bradford needs to change up the way he delivers the ball sometimes, using a bit more touch, instead of flat out slinging it every down.? Bradford's release and ball trajectory is too low for the intermediate passes he throws as well. It seems like every week someone has a near interception at the line of scrimmage or the ball gets batted up in the air, close to the LOS. When the better pass, would have been to arc a slower ball to the WR, either over or away from the defender.?

                      The main areas Bradford needs to work on in my opinion are: in no particular order:

                      1. Vision down field (latching onto primary receiver too much.)
                      2. Going through his progressions (Not looking people off at all.)
                      3. Pump fakes or lack of.
                      4. Better pocket presence (under duress)
                      5. Accuracy issues on long ball
                      6. Lack of variation on throws.

                      Ill be very interested to see, how others feel about Bradford.?
                      -11-16-2011, 03:24 PM
                    • BEER
                      Blog: Why Sam Bradford will be a bust.
                      by BEER
                      Wrote by some guy named Chris Cipriano.

                      The NFL Draft is the ultimate crap-shoot.
                      No matter how much scouting is done, there are bound to be busts.
                      From the first pick to the last pick, there is no guarantee that any player will live up to expectations.
                      Now earlier, I touched on which players from the 2010 NFL Draft I thought would be busts , but I left one player out.
                      I did this because this player is bigger than the rest. He has the most expectations of any other player in the draft. He was the number one overall pick. He is Sam Bradford, and he will be a bust in the NFL.
                      Now Iím not saying he will be on the JaMarcus Russell or Tim Couch level, but yet he wonít be on the Payton Manning level either. I see him more alike to David Carr or Alex Smith.
                      He simply has too many questions marks and too many things have to go right for him to be an elite NFL quarterback.
                      The first and most worrisome concern about Bradford is his durability. He hurt his throwing shoulder twice last season and needed surgery on it after he re-injured it.
                      Dr. James Andrews, who operated on Bradford, said his shoulder will be fine, but really what is he supposed to say? If he says he may be more vulnerable to further injury or it may never be as strong he will cost Bradford millions.
                      Even if it is fine, Iím sure Bradford will think twice before stepping up in the pocket to deliver that throw knowing his shoulder will be exposed to a possible injury.
                      Another concern is how we will transition from the spread offense he ran while at Oklahoma. Bradford rarely had to read defenses and coverageís and seldom went through more than read on each throw. And when he did go to his secondary reads his primary strength, his accuracy, dipped dramatically.
                      We have seen plenty of quarterbacks excel in the spread at Oklahoma and then go on to do nothing in the NFL (Jason White, Josh Huepel). White even won a Heisman like Bradford, and granted Bradford has an edge in psychical tools, but history isnít on his side.
                      I also have worries about the situation he is going into. While at Oklahoma, he was surrounded by NFL talent at all positions. In St. Louis, he is going to a team that has won six games in the past three seasons combined.
                      In college his offensive line was tremendous. He rarely faced pressure in face and he could stay back in the pocket and wait for his receivers to get open. He wonít have that luxury in St. Louis.
                      The Rams offensive line leaves a lot to be desired. They surrendered 44 sacks last season. Bradford doesnít have a good feel for pressure and I fear when he faces a NFL pass rush heíll panic and he never showed much ability to throw on the run and make plays with his feet. Iím afraid this could turn into a David Carr situation, where Bradford gets sacked so much his psyche is messed with.
                      Speaking of David...
                      -05-27-2010, 04:36 PM
                    • AvengerRam_old
                      The two statistics that define Sam Bradford
                      by AvengerRam_old
                      There's an old saying that "numbers don't lie."

                      That's true, to a degree, but you have to look at the right numbers.

                      Here are the two career stats that, in my opinion, define Sam Bradford as a QB.

                      Yards/Attempt: 6.2---Rank among active QBs: 36th (last)
                      Interception %: 2.2---Rank among active QBs: 3rd (tied)

                      So what does that tell us?

                      Sam Bradford is too conservative. He does not throw the ball down the field often enough. As a result, he is forced to manufacture long drives, and often has trouble cashing in when he reaches the Red Zone.

                      To his credit, he does not make a lot of mistakes. There are QBs who also rely on short passes, but throw many more interceptions than Bradford has in his career. Most of those guys are no longer starting QBs, though.

                      The question that flows from these stats is clear:

                      Why?

                      There are four potential reasons for this conservative approach. Here's how I evaluate them:

                      1. Offensive Scheme
                      Bradford has played in very conservative offensive schemes under at least two of his three OCs (Shurmur, Schottenheimer). I think its fair to question whether this is best type of system for Bradford. Its not as though he has a weak arm. To the contrary, he can "make all the throws" needed for a more open passing game. In fact, some of Bradford's best moments have come when he has been allowed to "open up" the offense in no-huddle and two-minute situations. Conclusion: Primary culprit.

                      2. Offensive Line
                      Bradford has played behind some very poor O lines during his 3+ years in the NFL. As a result, he has often had to hurry his throws and rely on quick patterns. Still, even when Bradford has had good protection, his YPA numbers have been mediocre, at best. While O line play is a factor, I think it may be a bit overstated. Conclusion: Marginally contributing factor.

                      3. Receivers
                      Bradford has not had the benefit of playing with an established #1 WR at any point in his career. He also has not had the benefit of playing with receivers who have great YAC numbers (though the hope is that Tavon Austin will become one). This has clearly impacted his YPA numbers. Still, other QBs with weak receiving corps have put up much better numbers in this category, so I'm not ready to put this factor at the top of the list. Conclusion: Contributing factor.

                      4. Bradford Himself
                      When I look at Bradford, I see a QB with a lot of talent. He has a good arm, and has above-average accuracy. He is more athletic than many realize, and has shown the ability to use his feet to extend plays at times. But I've come to the conclusion that the thing he lacks is not something that one can observe in a workout. He's NOT fearless. Fearless QBs stand in the pocket defiantly, ignore the rush, go through their progressions, and check down only when necessary....
                      -09-30-2013, 10:30 AM
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