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  • Av's First Official 2010 Rams Draft Board (12/2/09)

    I'm going to do five of these (one each month) between now and the draft. As this is my first official board, here are a few ground rules. First, I am, at this stage, projecting that certain underclassmen will declare. Second, I see two scenarios here: (1) draft a franchise QB in Round 1, or (2) draft a DL in Round 1 and wait until Round 2 or 3 to take a QB. I'm still straddling that fence, as you will soon see.

    So, with those thoughts in mind, here is my Top 10:

    1. Jake Locker, QB, Washington
    Right now, I see Locker as the only potential franchise QB in the draft. He has elite physical tools. His production has not been overwhelming. The question that must be answered through due diligence is whether his lack of production is the product of underdeveloped skills or poor talent around him. His grasp on my top spot is tenuous, at best.

    2. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
    He could be a definite difference maker on the DL, and he fits the mold of quick DTs who peformed well in Spagnuolo's Giant defenses. At this point, he's probably the most certain top 3 pick among all prospects.

    3. Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech
    Surprised? Trust me, you won't be in the coming months. This guy has the size (6'4, 272) and productivity (12 sacks so far this year) you look for in a pass rushing prospect. He also seems to have the intangibles the Rams will be looking for, which will elevate him above guys like Carlos Dunlap and Greg Hardy. Look for him to be a star at the Combine.

    4. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
    This is a good year at the top of the draft for DTs. McCoy rates only a hair or two below Suh, and could be just as good as a pro. A sure fire top 5 pick absent a major bump in the evaluation process.

    5. Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame
    But, Av... you said there was only one potential franchise QB in the draft. Yes, that is what I believe. But I could be wrong. I want to see how Clausen measures (is he really 6'3?) and what the scouts really think of his arm strength. His game films and stats are impressive, though.

    6. Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
    But, Aaaaavvvvvvvvv.... Yeah, yeah, I know. Look, when this season started Bradford was the concensus No. 1 overall. If he's healthy and tests well, you can't count him out. Still, that whole spread offense against Big 12 defenses thing worries me.

    7. C.J.Spiller, RB, Clemson
    Yes, I know the Rams don't really need a RB (at least not a starter). But Spiller, in my opinion, is much more than just a RB. I think he can do everything that Percy Harvin can do, and more. He's that good.

    8. Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State
    This would be a different approach, but if the Rams win a few more games and are picking in the 7-10 range, Bryant would be a very good option. He could really elevate the WR corps and make the QB's job much easier.

    9. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
    Call this the O.J. Atogwe contingency plan. If the Rams don't sign Atogwe, and use his cap $ to fill another need in FA, then a guy like Berry, who is a great prospect, would make a lot of sense.

    10. Terrence Cody, DT, Alabama
    Massive run stuffer. As with any guy his size (365 lbs.), conditioning will always be a factor. Still, if there is one thing that most great LBs have in common, its a big fat immovable slob taking up blockers in front of them.
    Last edited by AvengerRam_old; -12-03-2009, 06:52 AM.

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    Re: Av's First Official 2010 Rams Draft Board (12/2/09)

    I like that you put terrance cody in there. I dont here enough about him on the boards, he isnt as good at pass rushing as suh or McCoy but for pure run stuffing, you cant get much better

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      Re: Av's First Official 2010 Rams Draft Board (12/2/09)

      Great post AV. As always well thought-out and insightful. I am really glad to see you added Derrick Morgan. While I'm not sure where he will be slotted based on value, he's a stud in my book and addresses a huge need for us. Pressuring the QB is something we have to improve on before we can start consistently winning games. I cannot support it with names, but GT seems to send solid NFL-ready players to the draft and Morgan just adds to the list. I wouldn't be unhappy to see us grab Jonathan Dwyer in round 2 if he lasts that long, providing he declares for the draft.

      Your summary of the QB's tells me we should avoid taking one with our #1 pick and wait for a later pick, perhaps round 2 with Tony Pike, if he adds some bulk to his frame.

      Bottom line, we probably should stack up on defensive lineman in this draft and add OLB's where opportune not forgetting the QB position either.

      Go Rams!

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        Re: Av's First Official 2010 Rams Draft Board (12/2/09)

        QB is top heavy, D-line is deep. I think we will agree to disagree on Locker, but I think it is pretty comprehensive list

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          Re: Av's First Official 2010 Rams Draft Board (12/2/09)

          This is a good list of prospects, but I really think that Russell Okung should be in here somewhere.

          Given the fact that Left OT's are a premium every year I gotta believe that a pure pass blocker like Okung is going to go in the top ten.

          WHAT SAY YE?

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            Re: Av's First Official 2010 Rams Draft Board (12/2/09)

            Originally posted by RAMarkable View Post
            This is a good list of prospects, but I really think that Russell Okung should be in here somewhere.

            Given the fact that Left OT's are a premium every year I gotta believe that a pure pass blocker like Okung is going to go in the top ten.

            WHAT SAY YE?
            Okung is arguably one of the top 10 players in the draft, but not for the Rams. You can't justify paying Jason Smith as a LT and then drafting another OT who will be looking for similar money. I presume the Rams are still confident that Smith will become a top-end LT (as am I) and if Alex Barron is allowed to leave, a RT can be found in FA or the middle of the draft.

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              Re: Av's First Official 2010 Rams Draft Board (12/2/09)

              Originally posted by AvengerRam View Post
              Okung is arguably one of the top 10 players in the draft, but not for the Rams. You can't justify paying Jason Smith as a LT and then drafting another OT who will be looking for similar money. I presume the Rams are still confident that Smith will become a top-end LT (as am I) and if Alex Barron is allowed to leave, a RT can be found in FA or the middle of the draft.
              Ok, I see your point; but the same argument can be made for including C. J. Spiller in the top ten. Granted he MAY be able to do a variety of things, but the fact remains that he also will be seeking top money and still will be no more than a back up to our $50 million starter, Steven Jackson.

              To be consistent probably both players, although tremendously talented, need to be left off the list as far as the Rams are concerned.


              WHAT SAY YE?

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                Re: Av's First Official 2010 Rams Draft Board (12/2/09)

                A lot of people will agree with you on that point (I know that Nick does ).

                I just see something special in Spiller. Perhaps the Rams cannot afford the "luxury" of taking a guy like him, but if the guys I have listed ahead of him were already selected, I'd consider him.

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                  Re: Av's First Official 2010 Rams Draft Board (12/2/09)

                  Jevan Sneed > Jake Locker

                  Still don't understand the hype about a guy that has a less than 1.5 TD to INT ratio and finds ways to get sacked. They were expecting Locker's numbers to explode down the stretch as they played weaker defenses, he regressed even further. 153 yards passing in a loss to Oregon State?

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                    Re: Av's First Official 2010 Rams Draft Board (12/2/09)

                    Originally posted by RebelYell View Post
                    Jevan Sneed > Jake Locker

                    Still don't understand the hype about a guy that has a less than 1.5 TD to INT ratio and finds ways to get sacked. They were expecting Locker's numbers to explode down the stretch as they played weaker defenses, he regressed even further. 153 yards passing in a loss to Oregon State?
                    He also had 3 TDs and a passer rating of 151.9 in that game.

                    In the end, though, he was on a very bad team, so it is very hard to evaluate his stats.

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                      Re: Av's First Official 2010 Rams Draft Board (12/2/09)

                      Originally posted by AvengerRam View Post
                      He also had 3 TDs and a passer rating of 151.9 in that game.

                      In the end, though, he was on a very bad team, so it is very hard to evaluate his stats.
                      I think its an excuse too many people use for locker. You can excuse the loosing, but his stats haven't been that great. Another athletic Pac 10 QB who had a similar completion percentage is kyle Boller with a 55% completion percentage. Locker has a 56% completion percentage. He doesn't have good pocket awareness he is far from a polished QB. As an athletic QB you would think he would be better making reads when to run, but he doesn't. His pass reads are even worse. He could end up being Vince Young, but that's a stretch. To take a guy like Locker its all about excellent coaching, a good run game, a good line, and most importantly patience.

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                        Re: Av's First Official 2010 Rams Draft Board (12/2/09)

                        I really don't want to make this thread another back and forth about Locker. He is on a bad team. That's a fact. As far as whether he'll make a good Pro... opinions will differ and time will tell.

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                          Re: Av's First Official 2010 Rams Draft Board (12/2/09)

                          So you post a "draft board" but nobody is supposed to discuss the players on that board. Sweet.

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                            Re: Av's First Official 2010 Rams Draft Board (12/2/09)

                            Originally posted by RebelYell View Post
                            So you post a "draft board" but nobody is supposed to discuss the players on that board. Sweet.
                            Is that what I said? I don't think so.

                            My point is, there have been many threads in which Locker's stats have been discussed, and I don't see a lot of point in rehashing those discussions. At this point, I'm waiting for two things: (1) Locker's combine/workout performances (as described by reliable observers), and (2) comments (again, from reliable sources) regarding his personality, demeanor, etc. (key qualities for a QB). If these reviews are less than stellar, there is a very good chance he will drop on my board.

                            Another factor will be the performaces of Colt McCoy and Tony Pike in their conference title and bowl games. As my confidence in guys like McCoy and Pike (who could be available at the top of the second round) increases, my desire to take a QB first decreases.

                            So... comment away about any of the players on my board. But let's look at the board as a whole, rather than focusing all attention on one guy.

                            Mmmmkay?

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                              Re: Av's First Official 2010 Rams Draft Board (12/2/09)

                              I think Golden Tate should take Dez's place in the top ten, I dont think you can judge a player correctly when he has to sit out a year(even though its a dumb ncaa rule).And Tate has been catching everything sent his way. IMO he is what is making Classuen look good.

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                              • AvengerRam_old
                                Av's 2010 Rams Draft Board (Version 2.0 - 1/7/10)
                                by AvengerRam_old
                                Time for an update.

                                While the Rams have the first pick, its still important to have a draft board to account for the possiblity of a trade (either down from pick 1, or up to get a second first round pick), as well as the chance that a player could fall to selection #33.

                                1. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska (Previous Rank: 2)
                                2. Derrick Morgan,* DE, Georgia Tech (Previous Rank: 3)
                                3. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma (Previous Rank: 4)
                                4. Joe Haden, CB, Florida (Previous Rank: N/A)
                                5. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson (Previous Rank: 7)
                                6. Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State (Previous Rank: 8)
                                7. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee (Previous Rank: 9)
                                8. Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma (Previous Rank: 6)
                                9. Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame (Previous Rank: 5)
                                10. Terrence Cody, DT, Alabama (Previous Rank 10)

                                *Undeclared

                                Comments
                                With Jake Locker going back to school, Suh slides into the first spot. I doubt he'll move from there. I still like Morgan over McCoy due to his pass rushing abilities. The newest member of my board is Joe Haden, who recently declared. I think he is a potential superstar at the CB spot. I've moved down the QBs, as both have a lot of question marks. With Bradford (who I've now jumped ahead of Clausen), its all about his shoulder. If it checks out and he throws well, he could climb the board. Clausen could go either way for me. If he is as undersized as I suspect he is, he could fall out of my Top 10.
                                -01-07-2010, 02:55 PM
                              • AvengerRam_old
                                Av's 2010 Rams Draft Board (Post-Combine)
                                by AvengerRam_old
                                Time for another update:

                                1. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska (Previous Rank: 1)
                                2. Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma (Previous Rank: 2)

                                3. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma (Previous Rank: 4)
                                4. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson (Previous Rank: 6)
                                5. Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech (Previous Rank: 3)
                                6. Jason Pierre-Paul, DE, South Florida (Previous Rank: N/A)
                                7. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee (Previous Rank: 8)
                                8. Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame (Previous Rank: 9)
                                9. Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State (Previous Rank: 7)
                                10. Sergio Kindle, DE/OLB, Texas (Previous Rank: N/A)

                                Comments:

                                Suh's Combine performance confirmed his right to hold on to the top spot. Bradford is a close second, and his value is enhanced every time a tier 2 QB has a bad day. McCoy jumps above Morgan due to the latter's weigh-in (266 lbs.) which raised some minor concerns. Pierre-Paul, on the other hand, shocked me by weighing in at a 270 which, along with his speed and quickness, makes for an intriguing package. Berry is back as my top DB after a disappointing peformance by Joe Haden, who drops out of my Top 10. Clausen and Bryant really did nothing at the Combine, and will both have to impress in Pro Day workouts. Kindle is a newcomer to my list. I see a lot of Leonard Little in him, in terms of a player who could gain some bulk and continue to play DE in a 4-3, as he did in college.
                                -03-03-2010, 10:53 AM
                              • AvengerRam_old
                                Av's 2010 Rams Draft Board (Version 3.0 - 2/4/10)
                                by AvengerRam_old
                                Time for another update!

                                My thought process on this has changed a bit, so here are my new rankings:

                                Time for an update.

                                While the Rams have the first pick, its still important to have a draft board to account for the possiblity of a trade (either down from pick 1, or up to get a second first round pick), as well as the chance that a player could fall to selection #33.

                                1. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska (Previous Rank: 1)
                                2. Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma (Previous Rank: 6)
                                3. Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech (Previous Rank: 2)
                                4. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma (Previous Rank: 3)
                                5. Joe Haden, CB, Florida (Previous Rank: 4)
                                6. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson (Previous Rank: 5)
                                7. Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State (Previous Rank: 6)
                                8. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee (Previous Rank: 7)
                                9. Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame (Previous Rank: 9)
                                10. Mike Iupati, OG/RT, Idaho (Previous Rank N/A)


                                Comments
                                At this point, I'm looking at the options as being one of the following: (1) take Suh with the first pick, (2) take Bradford with the first pick, or (3) trade down and take Bradford.

                                The third option is very tempting, but has three problems. First, the Rams would obviously need a trading partner. Would Tampa give up a 2nd round pick (plus other picks) to move up 2 spots? Who knows? Second, if the Rams trade down to No. 3, they risk a scenario in which the Redskins might trade up to No. 2 if they really want Bradford (while the Rams would still get a great prospect and have an extra 2nd round pick under that scenario, it would not be the intended result). Finally, if the Rams trade down, they lose the opportunity to pre-sign their selection.

                                Some will undoubtedly question why I've moved Bradford to No. 2 while leaving Jimmy Clausen at No. 9. The answer is that I just don't have the same feeling about Clausen. When I've seen him play, he just didn't stand out to me as a guy who makes you say "Wow. That guy's going to be playing on Sundays.) Bradford - before the injury - was that kind of player in my eyes.

                                Finally, I've dropped Terrence Cody from the list. While I think he can be a good player, I wonder how much a guy with such liitations is really worth. Iupati strikes me as a guy with Steve Hutchinson type potential at OG, and who also could be a very good starting RT.

                                Next update will be in March after the Combine.
                                -02-04-2010, 08:34 AM
                              • AvengerRam_old
                                Av's Pre-Combine/Pro Days QB Ranking
                                by AvengerRam_old
                                Here's how I rank the QB prospects going into the pre-draft testing season:

                                1. Sam Bradford, Oklahoma [STEADY]
                                If Bradford has recovered from his shoulder injury, I think he is firmly entrenched as the No. 1 QB in the draft. He has the size, accuracy and quick release that scouts look for in a QB prospect. I don't know if the Rams will consider him as a potential first pick, but he'll be gone within the first ten.

                                2. Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame [STEADY/FALLING]
                                Right now, I have Clausen as the clear No. 2 QB, and a likely top 20 pick. I do think, however, that he might not measure up in either the height or arm strength categories. He also will have to overcome the perception of immaturity. If he has a good testing season, he'll stay right where he is, and could be taken as early as picks 5-10. If not, he could drop into the second round.

                                3. Colt McCoy, Texas [FALLING]
                                Fair or not, the most recent memories people will have about McCoy are him being rag-dolled, first by Ndamukong Suh and then by the Alabama defense. Meanwhile, other QBs below him have had good showings in the bowl games and All-Star games. Still, if he can show reasonable arm strenth when he works out (I believe he is going to throw at the Combine), he should stop the falling trend and hold firm as the third QB off the board, probably in Round 2 of the draft.

                                4. Dan LeFevour, Central Michigan [STEADY/RISING]
                                I would have given LeFevour a grade of "rising" if no for his questionable decision not to throw at the Combine. Still, after his performances at the GMAC Bowl and the Senior Bowl, he is a prospect on the rise. I think he's a Round 2 or 3 prospect right now, but could be firmly within Round 2 (or even late first round) by April.

                                5. Tony Pike, Cincinnati [FALLING]
                                Pike is a hot and cold prospect. Watch some of his game films, and he looks like a Blue Chip prospect. Then, watch some more, and he looks like a college/system QB who is not quite ready for Prime Time. I think there will be quite a bit of scrutiny of Pike in the coming weeks, and my gut tells me he might not fare so well. I expect he'll be gone by the end of Round 3, but he might last until Round 4.

                                6. Levi Brown, Troy [RISING]
                                I may be alone on this one, but I think Brown could be this draft's biggest sleeper. Watch his game film, and you could easily conclude that he has a better arm than Clausen, McCoy, LeFevour and Pike. He also has ideal size. Right now, most probably have him ranked as a 4th or 5th round pick, at best. I think he could be a Round 2 or 3 value.

                                7. Jarrett Brown, West Virginia [STEADY/RISING]
                                Brown opened some eyes with his Senior Bowl performance. I think he is a prospect on the rise as a result, and could be selected as early as Round 4. But, is he the QB equivalent of a workout wonder? His career 16 TDs and 13 Ints (11/9 last year) might suggest that...
                                -02-23-2010, 03:34 PM
                              • AvengerRam_old
                                Av's Annual Sleeper and 10-Foot Pole Lists
                                by AvengerRam_old
                                Here are this year's lists of players who are somewhat under the radar, and those who I would not touch with a 10-foot pole.

                                Sleepers

                                Jimmy Graham, TE, Miami (FL)
                                At this point, Graham doesn't seem like a sleeper. In fact, after his excellent Combine performance, some have projected him to go as high as Round 2. That said, I listed him as a sleeper back in December, so I think I'm entiled to keep him on my list!

                                Levi Brown, QB, Troy
                                I've mentioned Brown several times as a player I like. Though he did not play against top competition, he has the arm strength, poise and experience that I look for in a QB prospect. At this point, I expect the Rams will take a QB earlier than Brown would merit, but he's an option if the Rams don't take a QB on the first two days of the draft.

                                A.J. Edds, OLB, Iowa
                                Very good size, speed and productivity on a very good college defense. He's not a flashy guy but, much like James Laurinaitis, is always around the ball. Good mid-round SLB prospect.

                                C.J. Wilson, DE, East Carolina
                                He's a big DE (290 lbs) but is quick enough to make a lot of plays in the backfield. He seems to be the type of player Spags likes, as he could definitely rotate between the DE and the DT spots.

                                Tony Washington, OT, Abilene Christian
                                Big RT prospect who could likely be obtained in the middle rounds of the draft. The thing that caught my eye about Washington is his combination of arm length (35''+) and bench press reps (34). Those are the kind of numbers you typically see in an elite OT prospect. I think he has a lot of upside.

                                10-Foot Pole List

                                Tim Tebow, QB, Florida
                                Probably saw this one coming, huh? I have posted at length about Tebow, who I just don't think will ever be a starting NFL QB. Given the price tag he would come with (4th round pick?), I say "stay away!"

                                LeGarrette Blount, RB, Oregon
                                Pretty easy selection. In addition to his blow up on the field that caused him to sit most of last year, he ran slow at the Combine, which calls into question whether his skills will translate to the pro level.

                                Dexter McCluster, RB, Ole Miss
                                This selection will probably be surprising to some. I do think McCluster could be a productive role player for some team. However, what the Rams need is a RB who can fill in for Steven Jackson if needed. McCluster will never be an every down back.

                                Brandon LaFell, WR, LSU
                                Big WRs with average speed playing on good college teams can be very productive in college, but they often falter in the NFL, where almost every CB runs a 4.5 or better. LaFell strikes me as that type of player, and given that the Rams would probably have to take him at pick #33 to get him, I wouldn't give him any consderation.

                                Arrelious Benn, WR, Illinois
                                Can someone explain to me why this guy is considered a first round...
                                -03-05-2010, 10:37 AM
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