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  • The Rams are officially on the clock!

    Their loss to the ***** today secured the first overall pick for St. Louis.

    Now, who to pick? Where does the Clan stand now that the season is officially over?
    97
    Ndamukong Suh (DT, Nebraska)
    87.63%
    85
    Eric Berry (DB, Tennessee)
    1.03%
    1
    Gerald McCoy (DT, Okalahoma)
    0.00%
    0
    Russell Okung (OT, Oklahoma State)
    0.00%
    0
    Sam Bradford (QB, Oklahoma)
    3.09%
    3
    Jimmy Clausen (QB, Notre Dame)
    8.25%
    8
    Dez Bryant (WR, Oklahoma State)
    0.00%
    0
    Other (please respond & specify)
    0.00%
    0

  • #2
    Re: The Rams are officially on the clock!

    SUH! major upgrade on d line if we get him

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    • #3
      Re: The Rams are officially on the clock!

      I think picking Suh would give us a huge upgrade on the defense, directly and indirectly. He is a literally a "spear", in how he drives through the offensive line with such speed and power.

      He directly improves our defense by pressuring the QB, and stuffing the run.

      He also indirectly improves our defense because the pressure he gets on the QB improves our secondary play. Also, because he will draw double and triple teams, look for our other defenders to have big games, like Chris Long, Adeyanju, Laurinaitis...


      But, I think if a team offered us a good amount of picks for the chance to pick Suh, I think we have a good reason to take it.

      With so many more picks, we have the option to fill the many holes we have on this team, which we desperately need to, to start winning again.


      IMO, we need: (in no specific order)

      TE
      WR (legit #1 WR)
      OG
      RT
      DT
      CB
      FS/SS (maybe)
      RB (back-up, but Ogbonayaa has been looking good)
      QB
      DE

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      • #4
        Re: The Rams are officially on the clock!

        Long list Rockin Ram. We do have some youth at some of those positions so when you say give up Suh for picks what kind of picks are you expecting and what rounds do you see that can come in step up and fill a need?

        IMHO day 1 can give you some players who can start and play. However, after day 1 the odds the player can be a quality starter as a rookie goes down.

        So if the Rams get another teams round 1 and round 2 pick then the Rams may feel 1 more area of need. Is that worth giving up Suh. I'm not sure.

        The only way I think I gvie up the pick is if Denver or San Francisco offers both #1 picks and at least a 2nd and more if possible.

        Go Rams

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        • #5
          Re: The Rams are officially on the clock!

          Originally posted by Dominating D View Post
          Long list Rockin Ram. We do have some youth at some of those positions so when you say give up Suh for picks what kind of picks are you expecting and what rounds do you see that can come in step up and fill a need?

          IMHO day 1 can give you some players who can start and play. However, after day 1 the odds the player can be a quality starter as a rookie goes down.

          So if the Rams get another teams round 1 and round 2 pick then the Rams may feel 1 more area of need. Is that worth giving up Suh. I'm not sure.

          The only way I think I gvie up the pick is if Denver or San Francisco offers both #1 picks and at least a 2nd and more if possible.

          Go Rams

          I would be happy with:

          Round 1 pick
          Round 2 pick
          Round 3 pick / Quality starter who is not a liability
          Round 5/6 pick


          Round 1 pick
          Round 1 pick
          Round 2 pick
          And a solid starter / young player who has good potential


          I don't know if many teams will give up their quality picks for a chance to get Suh, but I'm sure at least a few might be willing to give up so many picks to get him.



          I also think that if we're expecting a draft pick to come in on day one and start, he has to be from round 3 and up. Rounds 4 and down IMO are more developmental guys, guys who do not have the right talent or right experience/ skills package to come in on day one and start.

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          • #6
            Re: The Rams are officially on the clock!

            No team is going to give up that much for the numbe one overall pick... I think you could say we would trade the 1 pick and a 4th rounder for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd

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            • #7
              Re: The Rams are officially on the clock!

              Originally posted by bruce4life View Post
              No team is going to give up that much for the numbe one overall pick... I think you could say we would trade the 1 pick and a 4th rounder for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd
              It depends on how high they rate Suh. How highly do they regard Suh, and how badly they want him.

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              • #8
                Re: The Rams are officially on the clock!

                If there was any year a trade down could be possible it would be this one. Tampa is eying this pick in an ideal, but unlikely scenario they would trade up.

                Lets go down the list.

                Eric Berry- safety number 1 overall? with Butler, Dahl, and probably OJ. You would make him the highest paid safety in the league by far. Don't want to go that route, because i am more than content with what we currently have

                Russel Okung- Just drafted Smith to be the franchise LT, no need plus bad value

                Sam Bradford- Are you really going to invest that much in a system QB, who never got sacked his first 2 years because of an elite line, but when he finally starts getting hit he goes down not once, but twice. I'll pass.

                Gerald McCoy- If you are going to take a DT, why take the second best?

                Dez Bryant- Huge need just doesn't offer alot of value at number 1. He would probably be behind all these guys on my board, not saying he is a bad player just not good value.

                Suh- BPA right now and has pretty good lead. He probably wont do anything at all to hurt his stock. The one thing Spags has done that has impressed me the most all season is his scheming. By far one of the best defensive minds in the league IMO. Has done a great job without a ton of talent. Rams have some good young developing pieces at DT, but could definately use an elite talent helping on the inside. If you give Spags 2 elite talents on the d-line he will be fine.

                Claussen- Here it comes! QB IMO by far the Rams biggest need, Claussen is the top dog at AB at this point and I personally don't expect him to loose that spot. He behind Suh right now, but IMO ahead of the rest based on need and ability. He has a golden opportunity to impress the Rams brass and convince them he is a Franchise QB. If he can do that IMO he would pass the clearcut BPA Suh based on the impact he would make as a Franchise QB. There aren't any options out there in FA especially in an uncapped year, and a trade for a Franchise QB would require giving up precious high picks this year and in the future. This team needs to get a Franchise QB ASAP. The line when healthy is good enough to give a new guy time, Steven Jackson gives him a good run game. He will need a number 1 receiver, but this class is deep at WR and on the d-line. The Rams have a bunch of young DTs and the current coaches dont really know what they have in Carriker coming back. That is the only way we don't draft Suh

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                • #9
                  Re: The Rams are officially on the clock!

                  Ndamukong Suh (DT, Nebraska)

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                  • #10
                    Re: The Rams are officially on the clock!

                    If Suh is the BPA, then we must take him and not get side-tracked by Jimmy Clausen, no matter how much we need to get a franchise QB. Bulger is still under contract and the cap hit of releasing him is not worth it IMO. We can find a QB in subsequent rounds and develop him rather than waste a very valuable pick on a less than stellar QB.

                    Go Rams!

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                    • #11
                      Re: The Rams are officially on the clock!

                      Suh. He's the BPA and fills a vital need. He's also the closest you're going to get to a sure thing. A dominating force at a critical position on defense who has been described as the best DT prospect to come along in decades.

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                      • #12
                        Re: The Rams are officially on the clock!

                        Suh hands down. No need for Eric Berry as long as we bring Atogwe back, and these are not #1 pick QBs.

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                        • #13
                          Re: The Rams are officially on the clock!

                          Originally posted by r8rh8rmike View Post
                          Suh. He's the BPA and fills a vital need. He's also the closest you're going to get to a sure thing. A dominating force at a critical position on defense who has been described as the best DT prospect to come along in decades.
                          What if I told you that a "sure thing" could become a "what if"?

                          Sorry, I just had to quote the commercial for "Without Bias" for ESPN's 30 for 30.

                          And yeah, we are in desperate need of a pass rush. With Little hurt and likely not coming back next year, we need somebody besides Chris Long to put pressure on the QB. Ryan is a good run stopper, but he has trouble getting to the quarterback. Suh is good at both and James Hall is a mixture, he's not great at rush or pass stopping, but he's not bad at either.

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                          • #14
                            Re: The Rams are officially on the clock!

                            SUH for me, But what do we do with Carriker?
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                            • #15
                              Re: The Rams are officially on the clock!

                              I think Carriker is still worth a shot. Given, he hasn't shaken the injury bug, but if you put Suh next to him, he's not going to garner nearly as much attention. Perhaps the combination of Suh/Carriker will work much like Suh/Jared Crick at Nebraska.

                              I.E. Baylor worked so much against Suh, Crick nailed down five sacks in that game. Not saying that would happen in the NFL, but you get the gist. Suh is not only the BPA, he's the BPA for the foreseeable future.

                              Only if he did not exist would I say, "The franchise QB can wait."

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                              • RamsFanSam
                                Positions of need vs. BPA
                                by RamsFanSam
                                This is always a debateable subject, positions of need vs. best player available. Myself, I waiver from round to round each draft. This year, we are guaranteed a top 2 pick, most likely a first overall. So, what do we do with it? Well, this is where I decide to do a little bit of prognosticating - in two different directions.

                                As of this point, there is one name being mentioned as the best college player headed to the draft: Ndamukong Suh. That may change by the combine, but that's doubtful. His value right now is off the charts - kind of like having the Fridge William Perry's best years in a nice neat package with a dose of Nighttrain Lane as a garnish. Whether or not that will be how it turns out is still anyone's guess.

                                So what happens if we draft him and this is how he looks after camp?

                                We instantly have a respectable, feared defense. This season, we have seen Chris Long double teamed, James Lauraintis become a top-level MLB, and an aging DE in Little still viable. We have also seen some of the depth players (like Douzable and Scott) step up and make plays at times. Our run defense is OK, but not good enough. Our passing defense - well, to be honest, it sucks. With Long unable to get free on a regular basis, and the line being held back, as well as Little/Hall being covered, well, it's hard to keep those long passes from being completed against our secondary.
                                With Suh out front, as well as Long, hopefully Carriker, Ryan, and whoever, we force other teams to CHOOSE who they want to take a chance on double teaming. Long's ability to break free would be increased, leading to a lot more pressure and sacks, forcing our opponents to get rid of the ball faster, or turn it over. Suh would also have the chance to get to the QB, and this would result in a ripple effect. With Long AND Suh both being watched, the rest of the D line would have better opportunity to penetrate the O line, resulting in more hurried passes.
                                And the result of those hurried passes? A better performing secondary. That's right - when a QB is rushed on a pass, his accuracy drops. When his accuracy drops, the ball is NOT thrown "between the numbers", meaning more often than not, it's up for grabs.
                                Add to this the addition to our run blocking Suh would bring - teams would be forced to look at running to the outside more - something that makes me nervous, as I am not sure we can cover the outside without upgrades.
                                So, what do I see as a result? A huge improvement in our defense overall, since any QB with a second or more was shredding our D all of this season. Take that away, and we would have been winning several games in 2009.

                                What if we decide to trade away our first pick?

                                This is where it gets sticky. Depending on his value after the combine, we could get anywhere from an extra 2nd round pick to an existing player plus a late-round pick. For the sake of simplicity, let's use...
                                -12-29-2009, 12:02 PM
                              • Frito
                                Ndamukong Suh
                                by Frito
                                Best Player in the Draft Period.

                                We need players to build a franchise.

                                Remember when we drafted Orlando Pace?
                                He started his rookie season at LT and dominated.

                                Remember when we drafted Torry Holt?
                                He started at WR and dominated.

                                When there is a phenom player that you know will succeed you take him. You don't take chances with a guy that you hope will develop or has good potential at a position of need.

                                Right now we need guys at every position so, why not take The Best Player In College? Arguably deserving of the Heisman as a Defensive Linemen.

                                The most important pieces to a winning team are the Offensive and Defensive Lines anyway in my opinion.

                                A GREAT D-LINE makes average linbackers and secondary look like superstars. LB's all of a sudden dont have linemen blocking them and the secondary doesnt have to cover as long.

                                A GREAT O-LINE makes average qb's, rb's and wr's go to Hawaii.

                                With "Ndamukong Suh" I believe he would come in immediatly and command double and triple teams. This would make Long look like his dad Howieback in the day. Leonard would find the fountain of youth and Lauranitus would look like a healthy Urlacher. Our secondary wouldnt find the need to cover guys for 7 seconds anymore either. Guess what that means? Some 3 and outs for a change, so maybe the offence could have a lot more chances to hand the ball to Steven Jackson.

                                Just a dream i had last night. :ram:
                                -11-10-2009, 09:16 PM
                              • bruce4life
                                can we draft Suh now????
                                by bruce4life
                                please? is that too much to ask?
                                -01-03-2010, 01:38 PM
                              • Molotov
                                Not Suh
                                by Molotov
                                The problem I have with drafting Suh is, I actually think our interior DL is pretty good at the moment.

                                If you bring on Suh, that gives you Douzable, Ramsey, Gibson, Scott, Ryan, and Suh. Meanwhile, on the edge, we have Long, Victor, and Hall. This could all change via free agency, of course.

                                All of our interior guys are decent players, and Scott and Ryan are actually pretty good. Our edge guys are okay, but do not provide consistent pressure on opposing QBs. And I am not convinced that Suh will provide a pass rush in the NFL.

                                So the actual improvement of the team will be marginal with the addition of Suh. We need game changers. We need edge rushers, shut down corners, big play WRs, and a stud QB. If we add Suh, we will STILL need edge rushers, shut down corners, big play WRs, and a stud QB.

                                I would rather have Spiller, Bryant, Berry, or Clausen. These guys appear to be the game changers that rate as top 5 picks.
                                -01-12-2010, 06:35 AM
                              • ludairv
                                IF NOT SUH ....then TAKE...
                                by ludairv
                                ERIC BERRY!!!!!... man watchin this team is so frustrating!!!!!! i remember the good ol days when they were the GSOT and not only that they had a solid defense!!.... its clear now the LOCKER is returning for his senior season!! and that means NO OTHER QB is worthy of a top 3 pick!
                                no way CLaussen gets chosen.... this team needds The NEXT BEST TALENT on the board and that is BERRY ...look how pathetic the Steelers Defense is without Polumalu ( its crazy that one player makes that big of a difference btw)
                                .....yes ofcourse i know the rams lack D line talent/depth ...but come on Spagnoulo has an eye for talent in that field.....look a the giants d line when they won that superbowll... ..the moajority of those guys were later round talent!!! .... If OJ goes and we get pick out of it ...hopefully we cant spend those on fillin out key postions.....i now goin from a B- to and A isnt that big of an upgrade but come. on ...in the long run.....it will damn well be worth it!!!!!:helmet::helmet::helmet:
                                -12-14-2009, 01:19 PM
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