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After last season I wanted the Rams to finish near the bottom to have a shot at Sam Bradford. Well now a year later my wish for a franchise QB is a reality. But all I've been hearing about is how Suh is the best DT to come out in decades. Man now I'm really torn. Lets get some discussion going between the two players...
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When you hire a defensive coach like Spags, you establish that you are building your team around a defense. Every defense needs a pass rush, and with Suh we can get that as well as a force in the middle to stop the run. -
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If we could somehow sneak back in to the end of the first round and Bradford is still there, gold.
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You gotta take the player that is the closest to a sure thing and that player is Suh.Comment
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I believe your right regarding the Rams but history suggest that it does not always work out that way ie....Originally posted by The Rammer View Post
John Gruden in Tampa
Brian B. in Baltimore
Tony Dungy in IndyComment
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Way to many questions with Bradford to even consider him number 1 overall. IMO the question should be Claussen or SuhComment
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I think your wrong. Bradford was the guy until he got hurt. No question. I think the only reason Suh should be picked over Bradford is because of the injury. Claussen doesen't belong in the equation.Originally posted by 39thebeast View PostComment
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Irf we draft Clausen I will throw up .... he's a waste of breath.... take pike in the 2nd.Comment
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Yeah. Joe Montana is the only good quarterback to come from Notre Dame. Also, if Clausen can only get a college team to .500, how would he even attempt to lead a professional team?Originally posted by jerseyramsfan View PostComment
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I'm not saying Clausen's not a good QB. I just don't think we would be adding him to the conversation if Bradford was healthy....Originally posted by The Rammer View PostComment
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Considering the throws, decisions, and stats clausen puts up..i really dont understand how anyone can say hes not a good quarterback prospect....
As far as the record debate about it is concerned. your defense also has to stop the other team from scoring
Clausen is simply a better prospect than Bradford now due to Bradfords significants injuries, experience, and type of offense ran.
*points at the rammer*Comment
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I wouldn't take Bradford if he was healthy! The guy has pretty much been untouched throughout his school campaign. The times he got hit, it looked like he died! The system was why Bradford was as good as he was.Comment
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Exactly once he starts getting hit he goes down. Toughness is a way underrated quality in the NFL, especially in a QB. Claussen tough as nails played marvelously through a bad injury. As soon as someone lays a finger on Bradford he's out.Originally posted by Mooselini View Post
It is no coincidence that Peyton manning, Eli Manning, and Brett Farve are all great QBs with superbowl rings and lead in consecutive starts.Comment
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These thoughts will not change over the next month.......assuming neither of them molests a goat or some such thing. Here's a few things that I think will happen over the next decade (barring injury or end-of-the-world type stuff):
Bradford will be a very good QB.
Suh will be an elite DT.
With Suh, the Rams defense will show serious improvement, including better ypa in the rush D, and more pressure on the QB. The offense won't change all that much.
With Bradford, the Rams offense will show some improvement, but will require improvements to the receiving corp to make any large steps forward. The defense won't change much at all.
I understand the QB choice. I do, I get it. And Bradford will be a really solid QB. He'll show it on his pro day; he'll make crisp accurate passes, he'll dazzle in interviews, he will demonstrate to franchises that he is an intelligent, articulate young man with all the intangibles you'd ever want.
But he won't be the player that Suh will be.
Bradford will walk into Rams Park, and on the practice field, he will make everyone believe that scientists cloned Phillip Rivers and Kurt Warner, combined the DNA, and out popped Sammy.
But he won't raise the offense the way that Suh will raise the defense.
With Bradford, his success will rely on other pieces. Will the receivers be able to separate so that his amazing accuracy can be demonstrated? Will the line protect him the way that his Oklahoma line (manned by 5 NFL lineman in 2008) protected him?
With Suh, his success will not be as dependent on those around him. Rather the opposite. The DEs will see more lanes as Suh occupies the interior. Same for blitzers. The DBs will look better as pockets collapse and QBs have to rush passes.
Bradford will be good.......but every draft has a "Bradford".
Suh will be great........and there may be one "Suh" a decade. (Not my words, by the way.)
So do we draft a Bradford, then wait a decade for the next Suh?
Or do we draft Suh, and pick up next year's Bradford?
Look, I'm not saying Bradford isn't worth the #1 pick......if Suh weren't in it. Take Suh out of the draft, and Bradford is the #1 pick (though McCoy fans would have their valid points as well). So, no, I'm not going to complain about drafting Bradford at #1. In any ordinary year, he is a #1 pick.
I'm just saying that with Suh available, this isn't an "ordinary" year.
I'm sure Bradford will do fine. But I would be lying if I said his long-term health isn't a concern. The Rams have protected their QB with a sack % of 7.5% to 8.0% over the past few years. But he's coming from an offense that protected him with a sack % of 2.7%. And even then (as Nick has pointed out),...-03-12-2010, 10:33 AM -
I think this season is a great example of how drafting is as much about fit as it is about talent. There was a heavy debate on Suh vs. Bradford. Both are having great years so far. Suh has been downright amazing, and from a stat perspective, you could even argue that Suh is having a better rookie year at DT (he is a leader in many DT stats - e.g. 8th in league in sacks, leading all DT's in sacks, 1 interception and 1 fumble recovery for a TD as a DT), than Bradford is having at QB. Yet, the choice of Bradford was best for the Rams and Suh will be a beast for the Lions for years to come.-11-01-2010, 10:01 AM -
I know ill get bashed for this but i really think Suh would be the better choice as the no.1 pick. Now that Carriker is gone, we can forget about that 'we've made 2 high defensive picks in the last 3 years,we have to draft Bradford ahhhhhh' thing. We only have Long now.
Lets think about our defensive line
Long Ryan Robbins Little? Hall
That line aint gonna do very well now is it. Especially if Little doesnt come back. Now if we draft Suh it will look like this
Long Ryan/Robbins Suh Little?Hall
Already looks more solid. Now what if we trade for Osi
Osi Ryan/Robbins Suh Long
That line looks like it could cause trouble.
If we draft Bradford, sure the offense would improve slightly, or it could be just a dire. I understand the logic of picking Bradford, give us hope, a new face for the franchise etc. but Jackson is the face of our franchise. Maybe McCoy will be a wonderful hit (if we draft him)
This is just how i feel, and i can say honestly if we pick Bradford tomorrow i will not be happy! But i will support the lad, and hope he brings the business. I just want us to shun the media and experts by taking Suh and continue to build a good , talented, young base which will put in a good position for years to come-04-21-2010, 06:58 AM -
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we could have had suh, and jimmy clausen, pretty good combo to me-05-15-2010, 08:52 AM -
Ok hypothetically let's say we take Bradford and another team takes Suh.. training camp rolls around and the season starts and the team that drafted SUH comes to town and Bradford has been having a Warner like first couple of weeks throwing the ball and managing the team like the beginning of the 1999 season... Second play of the second Quarter, play action pass Bradford fakes to Jackson and SUH bull rushes, throws Grecco to the side and has a clear shot at Bradford. For the first split second Bradford doesn't see him while making his progression and BAM!! SUH lays a "house of spears" hit on Bradford whish sends him flying into the turf landing akward on the turf rolling around in pain grabbing his shoulder... What would be the first thing through your head ..........?Bad luck good pick9We should of taken SUH12RAMS bad luck strikes again10I'm jumping in the river7I'm gonna stop watching football Forever!!2-03-30-2010, 03:44 AM
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