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  • Who is this 2nd round QB everyone is talking about?

    This isn't a Suh Bash thread, just a simple question. Alot of people are talking about drafting Suh then grabbing a QB in the second. Who is this QB. After Bradford and Claussen IMO all other options are far from enticing. Colt McCoy? maybe Tony Pike lets see how he works out? I don't know maybe i'm missing something

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    Re: Who is this 2nd round QB everyone is talking about?

    In terms of the second round, I think McCoy is intriguing. As is Mallett, if he comes out and is available in round two. He needs more time, which he could be afforded as a second round pick IMO. Pike will probably be there, and may last until the third. There are some mid round guys I'm intrigued by as well, but I'll refrain since you asked about the second round specifically.

    You say this isn't a Suh bash thread, but is this a "we need to pick a QB in the first round" thread instead? Your statement about the options not being enticing after Bradford/Clausen makes me think that's the case.

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    • #3
      Re: Who is this 2nd round QB everyone is talking about?

      The real question is whether Bradford or Clausen is good enough to merit the first pick in the draft.

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      • #4
        Re: Who is this 2nd round QB everyone is talking about?

        Originally posted by Nick View Post
        In terms of the second round, I think McCoy is intriguing. As is Mallett, if he comes out and is available in round two. He needs more time, which he could be afforded as a second round pick IMO. Pike will probably be there, and may last until the third. There are some mid round guys I'm intrigued by as well, but I'll refrain since you asked about the second round specifically.

        You say this isn't a Suh bash thread, but is this a "we need to pick a QB in the first round" thread instead? Your statement about the options not being enticing after Bradford/Clausen makes me think that's the case.
        Its not a we need to take a QB thread. It is just commenting on how terrible this class is all around.

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        • #5
          Re: Who is this 2nd round QB everyone is talking about?

          In my mind, I prefer to draft QB's in the first round, because let's face it. The quarterback is THE most important player on the field. The game of football revolves around the QB. The QB is the "alpha male". So, I like my QB's to be top-tier talent, so to say.

          Some teams can win with QB's who aren't dominant, but can get the job done without major problems. However, a dominant QB, a QB who can inspire, who has the talent to win big, can lead their team to comebacks, those QB's will up the playing level of every guy on that team.


          In this draft, I don't find the QB's in the second round to be very solid.

          Who do we have?

          Tony Pike
          Colt McCoy
          Ryan Mallett (maybe)
          Tim Tebow
          Dan LeFevour

          IMO, I think Pike would fit us best, because his accuracy will be fitting for our WCO, and due to the fact that we never throw a deep ball, so his arm strength won't be tested too much.

          Ryan Mallett is a much more raw prospect, but has better intangibles, and is a much better athlete, has a way better arm, and has a more solid bulk than Tony "skinny" Pike. However, I don't think he is ready to start on Day One.


          That is the reason why I say we hold up on QB until 2011. Or, we try to trade back for Sam Bradford.

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          • #6
            Re: Who is this 2nd round QB everyone is talking about?

            Originally posted by RockinRam View Post
            However, I don't think he is ready to start on Day One.

            I don't think any QB who comes in will be ready to start on day one. :|


            Unless Bulger is cut loose, I don't think our rookie will be starting at the beginning of the season. Which goes back to the important question.

            I don't know which QB will be available round two. But I know none of these guys are worth the #1 pick in the draft. So unless we get some kind of blockbuster trade, I fully expect the best player in the draft get picked at #1, by us.

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            • #7
              Re: Who is this 2nd round QB everyone is talking about?

              I'm tired of people saying this draft class is horrible. People say that about every draft class, because they dont know how a player will turn out, they could be ryan leaf or they could be peyton manning, you just dont know.

              Now I think that the following QB's will be available if the come to the draft; C.McCoy, C.Kenumm, R.Mallet, D.Lefevour, T.Tebow, J.Snead, T.Pike, J.Brown, D.Clark, R.Smith.
              All of them will have room to grow, and none of them are ready to start on day one. So either way we have a crap shoot on our hands, we just have to trust Devaney and spags have some good QB evaluators working with them.

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              • #8
                Re: Who is this 2nd round QB everyone is talking about?

                Originally posted by AvengerRam View Post
                The real question is whether Bradford or Clausen is good enough to merit the first pick in the draft.
                The real question is do we need an unproven DT more than an unproven QB.

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                • #9
                  Re: Who is this 2nd round QB everyone is talking about?

                  Originally posted by 39thebeast View Post
                  Its not a we need to take a QB thread. It is just commenting on how terrible this class is all around.
                  I'm not sure I'm ready to make that assessment just yet. I've stated before (and Nick here as well), the QB list doesn't end with Bradford and Clausen. They may (or may not) be the only two 1st round QBs, but there are actually several QBs that would be worth a look (depending on combine, workouts, and interviews to come) most likely available at the #33 spot. Pike and McCoy are the first two that come to mind. Mallett, if he comes out (though I doubt he does).

                  There are options. And with Suh on board, I'm going to feel better about our 2nd regardless of who we draft.
                  The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Who is this 2nd round QB everyone is talking about?

                    Originally posted by 01d 0rd3r View Post
                    I'm tired of people saying this draft class is horrible. People say that about every draft class, because they dont know how a player will turn out, they could be ryan leaf or they could be peyton manning, you just dont know.

                    Now I think that the following QB's will be available if the come to the draft; C.McCoy, C.Kenumm, R.Mallet, D.Lefevour, T.Tebow, J.Snead, T.Pike, J.Brown, D.Clark, R.Smith.
                    All of them will have room to grow, and none of them are ready to start on day one. So either way we have a crap shoot on our hands, we just have to trust Devaney and spags have some good QB evaluators working with them.
                    Keenum- just had his worst game of his career throwing 6 ints, I doubt he comes out and makes that the last thing Scouts see

                    Snead- Huge disappointment this year, was once a first round pick, but he probably stays to rehab his stock.

                    Mallet- Even though he didn't throw a pick his last game could have been ass bad as Keenum's. Only one completion on 3rd down the money down. He lead an offense that converted 0 first downs. He needs to stay in school.

                    That leaves McCoy and Pike (when it comes to the second round) and right now i'm not sold on them. I could get sold on them? Ya, but as of now i'm not

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                    • #11
                      Re: Who is this 2nd round QB everyone is talking about?

                      personally, i'm hoping we pick up a veteran guy and draft someone more in the 3-4 round range.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Who is this 2nd round QB everyone is talking about?

                        Originally posted by 39thebeast View Post
                        Its not a we need to take a QB thread. It is just commenting on how terrible this class is all around.
                        So you'd be inclined to wait until next year, go with a free agent, stick with what we have, or...?

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                        • #13
                          Re: Who is this 2nd round QB everyone is talking about?

                          Originally posted by RockinRam View Post
                          In my mind, I prefer to draft QB's in the first round, because let's face it. The quarterback is THE most important player on the field. The game of football revolves around the QB. The QB is the "alpha male". So, I like my QB's to be top-tier talent, so to say.

                          Some teams can win with QB's who aren't dominant, but can get the job done without major problems. However, a dominant QB, a QB who can inspire, who has the talent to win big, can lead their team to comebacks, those QB's will up the playing level of every guy on that team.


                          In this draft, I don't find the QB's in the second round to be very solid.

                          Who do we have?

                          Tony Pike
                          Colt McCoy
                          Ryan Mallett (maybe)
                          Tim Tebow
                          Dan LeFevour

                          IMO, I think Pike would fit us best, because his accuracy will be fitting for our WCO, and due to the fact that we never throw a deep ball, so his arm strength won't be tested too much.

                          Ryan Mallett is a much more raw prospect, but has better intangibles, and is a much better athlete, has a way better arm, and has a more solid bulk than Tony "skinny" Pike. However, I don't think he is ready to start on Day One.


                          That is the reason why I say we hold up on QB until 2011. Or, we try to trade back for Sam Bradford.
                          I dont know why you think that a first round QB is necessarily top tier talent when compared to a later round pick. JaMarcus Russell was drafted first overall and has been terrible. I wouldnt want that "top-tier talent" on my team.

                          Look at the best QBs in the NFL. Sure some of them are first rounders. But then you have guys like Drew Brees, Matt Schaub and Brett Favre. None were drafted in the first round.
                          @EssexRam_

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                          • #14
                            Re: Who is this 2nd round QB everyone is talking about?

                            While I think the posts here are mostly spot on, I have a slightly different take on the QB situation. I start by looking at the draft talent and then determine who best fits our system. Then I look at our coaching staff to see who will coach our young QB and teach him the transition from college to the pro's, which is no small transition. Given that our QB coach is Richard Curl, who is also the Assistant HC, might we not consider watching if the Rams hire a dedicated QB coach. Perhaps Jim Zorn who is looking for a paycheck might be a consideration. I think that will tell us a little about the FO's gameplan. We'll probably be best served with a developmental QB from the draft such as Mallet (if available) or Lefevour. I don't see the Rams whose needs are tremendous risking a 2nd Round pick on a QB with a lot of questions. I saw a mock having us take Jevan Snead in the 4th round.

                            While the first pick will likely be Suh, our round 2 pick will probably involve far greater discussion this offseason. IMO. Feel free to debunk my theory.

                            Go Rams!

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                            • #15
                              Re: Who is this 2nd round QB everyone is talking about?

                              Originally posted by Nick View Post
                              So you'd be inclined to wait until next year, go with a free agent, stick with what we have, or...?
                              I probably would be inclined to wait until next year, but the problem is I don't think we have the luxury to wait. If we wait who is going to be stop gap? That pool is going to be severely restricted by an uncapped year. I don't think we have alot right now assuming we don't bring Bulger and his contract don't come back.

                              In the end the rams will probably come out of the first 2 rounds with a QB because FA isn't going to offer many solutions and there is a dire need at QB IMO. At this point I see the Rams picking Tony Pike over Colt McCoy just my gut feeling.

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                              • AvengerRam_old
                                The Thing That Worries Me Most About The Second Tier QBs
                                by AvengerRam_old
                                First, let me define my terms. Right now, I have the QB "tiers" as follows:

                                Tier 1 (First Round Prospects)
                                Sam Bradford, Oklahoma
                                Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame

                                Tier 2 (Second/Third Round Prospects)
                                Colt McCoy, Texas
                                Dan LeFevour, Central Michigan

                                Tier 3 (Fourth/Fifth Round Prospects)
                                Tony Pike, Cincinnati
                                Levi Brown, Troy
                                Jarrett Brown, West Virginia

                                Tier 4 (Sixth Round or later)
                                Everyone Else

                                Note: Before we get off on a tangent, let me say that I am aware that there are many who have Tony Pike in Tier 2 and Tim Tebow in Tier 2 or 3. Let's just agree to disagree on those.

                                Now... here's my worry...

                                Where do you value the Tier 2 QBs?

                                At this point, I feel as though Colt McCoy and Dan LeFevour would both be reaches at pick number 33. However, I also think there is a very good chance that both will be gone by pick number 65.

                                In a perfect world, the Rams woudl trade from pick 33 to a pick in the middle of the second round, get McCoy or LeFevour, and obtain an extra pick in the process. But what if such a trade is not available?

                                My fear is that the Rams pass on the Tier 1 QBs in Round 1, pass on the Tier 2 QBs at pick No. 33, and then find themselves at the top of Round 3 with the choice of going with a Tier 3 QB or "Door Number 2" (Bulger, Boller, Null, ???).

                                If the Rams share this concern, it could push them towards taking Bradford first. However, that would the wrong reason to take Bradford. If they think he's worth the first pick, then they should take him. Taking him because of need is very risky.

                                Its issues like this that make me glad I'm not the GM.
                                -03-03-2010, 11:15 AM
                              • 3STL9
                                Tony Pike Second Round?
                                by 3STL9
                                I think we should trade downo ur first round pick. Get Terrence Cody....Unless he is expected to go Top 5. And try to get Pike second round..

                                Too early to talk draft, but just seeing what rams nation thinks we should do with that pick..
                                -12-07-2009, 08:17 AM
                              • DistantRam
                                Second round
                                by DistantRam
                                Let's assume, although there's still a long way to go, that the Rams choose either Suh or Clausen with the first pick in the draft. What happens in the second round?

                                I propose that a defensive end be selected, as this class has some exceptional DE prospects who may well slip to the top of the second round. Greg Hardy, Greg Romeus, Jason Pierre-Paul, Carlos Dunlap (despite reservations about his professionalism), Ricky Sapp and others might well be available at number thirty-three and I'm sure that Spags will be able to develop one of them into a real force.

                                With all of our current DEs, Long excepted, becoming free agents this year, it's about time that we acquired a new pass-rush threat to play opposite the number two pick from 2008.

                                If we end up with Long, Suh, Carriker and one of this year's DEs on the line, with Laurinaitis and Atogwe too, we'd have the core of a formidable defence.
                                -01-07-2010, 06:28 AM
                              • sosa39rams
                                April...this has to happen
                                by sosa39rams
                                Round 1: Ndamukong Suh
                                Round 2: Sean Weatherspoon
                                Round 3: Tony Pike or Dan Lefevour

                                what do you guys think?
                                -01-13-2010, 07:53 PM
                              • Varg6
                                Scenario:
                                by Varg6
                                Suh in the first, and if Colt McCoy is there in the 2nd round, do we take him?

                                Why/Why not?
                                -11-25-2009, 11:58 AM
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