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  • Which Pros Do The QB Prospects Remind You Of?

    Which recent NFL QBs do the top prospects remind you of?

    Here's my list (and, keep in mind, these are the Pros I think they could resemble. There is no guarantee that any of them will be as good as the players I'm comparing them to).

    Sam Bradford -- Kurt Warner
    Like Warner, Bradford has good, but not elite, size and good, but not elite, arm strength. For both QBs, the biggest assets are quick release, accuracy and field vision. They are also both rhythm passers who can get on a roll and take apart a defense.

    Jimmy Clausen -- Drew Brees
    I am convinced that Clausen, like Brees, is not much taller than 6'0. They both like to sling the ball and have great confidence in their arms, though neither has a true gun. Clausen has to work on his precision to be as productive as Brees, but Brees took a few years to develop in the NFL too.

    Colt McCoy -- Jeff Garcia
    McCoy uses his tools very well and is dangerous with his feet. He doesn't always look pretty, but he makes plays. Like Garcia, he's a good fit for a West Coast offense.

    Tony Pike -- Eli Manning
    Pike does not have Manning's arm strength, but he does have his pocket presence. Both are tall and a bit lanky. They also are both very streaky. When they look good, they look very good. When they look bad, they look very bad.

    Ryan Mallett -- Ben Roethlisberger
    This is somewhat of a generous comparison, as Mallett is nowhere near as accurate as Big Ben. That said, they are both big, strong QBs who can stand in the pocket and withstand a pass rush, and they both have very strong arms. For Mallet to have the kind of initial success that Big Ben had, he probably needs another year in college.

    Tim Tebow -- Vince Young
    Like Young, Tebow is everything you don't look for in a passer. Odd throwing motion, slow release, and only average accuracy. Both players rely on athletic ability to keep defenses off balance. Tebow does not have Young's arm strength, but he seems to be a more stable personality.

  • #2
    Re: Which Pros Do The QB Prospects Remind You Of?

    nice comparisons..i agree with most..but tebow is no where as good as vince young

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    • #3
      Re: Which Pros Do The QB Prospects Remind You Of?

      isnt Clausen 6"3?

      and i kind of compare him more to Kurt Warner with a stronger arm.

      Quick release, intelligent.

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      • #4
        Re: Which Pros Do The QB Prospects Remind You Of?

        Originally posted by Bralidore(RAMMODE) View Post
        isnt Clausen 6"3?
        He is listed at 6'3. However, when I've watched Notre Dame play, I've noticed that he looks about the same height as guys listed at 6'0-6'1.

        Look at this photo of Clausen standing next to Notre dame center Eric Olsen. Olsen is listed at 6'4. If that's accurate, how tall does Clausen look?



        We'll know for sure after the Combine. If he is, in fact, 6'3, I'd say that makes him a better prospect. But I'm bettig he's about the same size as Brees.

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        • #5
          Re: Which Pros Do The QB Prospects Remind You Of?

          Originally posted by 3STL9 View Post
          tebow is no where as good as vince young
          I agree. But if Tebow were to look to model his game after a current Pro, I think Young best fits his skill set.

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            Re: Which Pros Do The QB Prospects Remind You Of?

            well as far as the pic comparison, Olsen has a helmet on which adds about 2inchs to his height. Id have to see them with the helmet off to accurately compare. Meh, i really don't think 6'1 or 6'3 makes all that much difference personally

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            • #7
              Re: Which Pros Do The QB Prospects Remind You Of?

              Compared with Eric Olsen in that picture, Clausen looks, 6'0-6'1. 6'2 at best.

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              • #8
                Re: Which Pros Do The QB Prospects Remind You Of?

                To me...Colt McCoy is more like Drew Brees.

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                • #9
                  Re: Which Pros Do The QB Prospects Remind You Of?

                  Originally posted by txramsfan View Post
                  To me...Colt McCoy is more like Drew Brees.
                  I get the comparison, but I think Brees has a stronger arm, while McCoy has better feet.

                  The comparison to Garcia is not, in any way, a put down. People forget, but Garcia passed for over 4,000 yards, 31 TDs, and a 97 passer rating in his second season as a pro, and he has a career rating of 87.5.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Which Pros Do The QB Prospects Remind You Of?

                    It might be just me, but I can kind of see Sam Bradford as the next Peyton Manning.

                    (Coming from a Longhorn fan)

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                    • AvengerRam_old
                      What I'm looking for in a franchise QB
                      by AvengerRam_old
                      Taking a franchise QB prospect in the top 10 picks of the draft is a daunting task. Will you end up with the next Matt Ryan/Joe Flacco, or the next Alex Smith/Jamarcus Russell?

                      There will never be a pefect formula for this, and if there were, I doubt I'd be the one to discover it, but for what its worth, here are the things I'm looking for:

                      1. MPTs (Minimum Physical Traits)
                      Top QBs don't all come in the same shape and size, but I do think there are a few minimum traits that, if lacked, will doom a QB to no better than mediocrity. They are: arm strength, physical bulk, and "pocket footwork."

                      Arm strength refers to the ability to get the ball out and to a receiver quickly. It is a function of two factors: (1) release speed and (2) velocity. One factor can compensate for another, but the best QBs have both.

                      Physical bulk, I believe, is more important than height. I'd rather have a well-built 6'1 QB, than a 6'6 string-bean. Otherwise, an injury-filled career is too big a risk.

                      Finally, "pocket footwork" is, in my opinion, far more important than running ability. Give me a guy who knows how to step-up, side-step and roll out over a guy who can take off and run for first downs.

                      2. Contagious Confidence
                      People often mistakenly mistake brashness or vocal presence for leadership. To me, its more a question of a guy who displays confidence in his demeanor, what he says, and how he plays when the chips are down. Give me a guy who can throw 3 interceptions in the first half, shrug it off, and throw for 3 TDs in the second half.

                      3. Unaided College Productivity
                      Combines and workouts serve a purpose, nothing compares to productivity in game conditions. There's a caveat, though... beware of "aided" productivity. A college QB who racks up great stats in a non-pro style offense, against outmatched competition, or through "all-purpose" yardage will rarely be able to duplicate their productivity when they reach the NFL. You also have to throw out won/loss percentage, to a large extent. There are simply too many great college teams that merely carry their QB along for the ride. I'd rather have a smaller-school guy who plays in a pro-style offense and puts up great stats against teams with similar talent on the roster.

                      So... how do I evaluate the top current prospects for the 2010 draft?

                      Well, in terms of MPTs, I look at Locker and Clausen as the top prospects. McCoy and Bradford have some "bulk" issues that concern me, though in Bradford's case, his fragility may be overstated. In terms of footwork, I'd give McCoy the highest grade (though I'm not sure I've seen any college QB with better footwork than FSU's Christian Ponder).

                      In terms of "contagious confidence," my subjective viewpoint is that McCoy and Clausen receive high marks....
                      -10-27-2009, 03:30 PM
                    • eldfan
                      Considering Clausen for the Rams next QB
                      by eldfan
                      Considering Clausen for the Rams next QB
                      by VanRam on Nov 24, 2009 3:58 PM CST in 2010 NFL Draft 35 comments

                      Ok, with Bulger's tibia fracture barely days old and the (likely) end of his career with the St. Louis Rams, it's time to start talking QB of the future. Not that we haven't been talking about that since the last draft, but such chatter earned a new lease on life with Bulger's injury.

                      Carneros got it started yesterday with this post, and I'm going to feed the fire some more today. First, a quick review of the Rams QB options moving forward. Boil it down to the essence, and the Rams have three options at QB for 2010: 1) sign a free agent (personally, I like Jason Campbell if they go this route), 2) draft a QB or 3) keep one of the in-house options, Bulger (if he can return) or Boller. Note that 2 and 3 are not mutually exclusive.

                      And now, I submit for your consideration Notre Dame QB Jimmy Clausen.

                      With Sam Bradford on the mend, Clausen is racing to the top of draft boards, at least among QBs. I think he'll be the first QB taken in the draft. I guess we'll have to see how much fan damage he incurred on a punch to the face this weekend. Will the Rams take him? Should the Rams take him?

                      Why Clausen?

                      Let's start with the stats, more specifically, the stats that can tell us something about success at the next level. According to the Lewin Career Forecast, the two most important things to look at when trying to gauge NFL success are a QBs career starts and completion percentage.

                      Clausen's a junior this year. He took over starting duties early in his freshman year, true freshman year, and ended up starting in nine games, and started every game in two seasons since then. For his college career, he has a 62.2 percent completion rate, a stunning 67.3 percent this season.

                      His TD to INT ratio of 23-4 speaks to his accuracy as a QB.

                      One thing I like about him is his ability to find receivers and create plays where others cannot. That's something the Rams have really been missing. Yes, St. Louis lacks the established talent at WR, but after watching this season of west coast offense move forward in fits and starts, it would be wise to have a QB that could find receivers or even go through the reads.

                      I'm not qualified to judge much about college players, especially the "intangibles". Talk of Clausen's acumen for the game, ability to read defenses and assuredness resonate for a long suffering fan of this team. Here are a couple of scouting reports from FFToolbox and Walter Football.

                      As a junior, there's still no gaurantee that Clausen will declare for the draft this year. I'd be pretty shocked if he didn't given the fact that his stock is skyrocketing. In fact, with Bradford unlikely to be ready for the Combine, I wonder if Clausen does separate himself from the rest of the...
                      -11-25-2009, 09:31 AM
                    • npow81
                      If Clausen Didn't Play for Notre Dame...
                      by npow81
                      I don't think he would be regarded as a first round talent.

                      I think its remarkable how much different people view qbs depending on who they play for. Which is relevant only to the level of competition they play against and who they actually play for (and NDs schedule really isn't anything to shout about aside from SC and maybe BC)

                      I think this is especially true for ND, considering they are on TV virtually every week.

                      While I think Clausen has talent, I think his issues (pocket presence, delivery, lack of winning, etc.) should raise some questions enough that he shouldn't be in the first round.

                      Frankly I don't regard him as anymore than a second rounder (which gauging by some of yours love for him I sure you will disagree)

                      I guess you can put it this way, if Tony Pike or Dan Lefevour played for ND would they be regarded as first rounders?

                      In my mind they are near the same level, so the stark contrast in perceived value makes me wonder...is this the case

                      (If you don't think so, what are the qualities in Clausen that differeniate him...because I don't see it.)
                      -02-17-2010, 09:57 PM
                    • r8rh8rmike
                      The Watercooler: Who Are The Rams' Top Draft Options At QB?
                      by r8rh8rmike
                      10.22.2009 12:27 pm
                      Who are Rams’ top draft options at QB?
                      By Roger Hensley

                      THE WATERCOOLER

                      QUESTION: If the St. Louis Rams were to take a quarterback in the first round of next year’s draft, which current college quarterback would you suggest they select?

                      BERNIE MIKLASZ
                      Very tough call, and of course I reserve the right to change my mind later, after these kids play more games and also go through the NFL Scouting Combine. Because a lot can change between now and the draft. But if we are talking right now, I’d go with Washington’s Jake Locker. Big (6-3), strong and athletic, Locker has a plus arm, and a quick release. He’s been thriving in the pro-style offense installed by first-year head coach Steve Sarkisian. Also, Locker is being tutored by one of the best, QBs coach Steve Clarkson, who in the past has worked with Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Leinart and others. Clarkson cleaned up Locker’s mechanics and the improvement was immediate. And keep in mind that Locker is getting it done at Washington, and he’s not surrounded by elite talent. That makes his performance even more impressive.

                      Notre Dame’s Jimmy Clausen has moved up as an NFL prospect. Clausen has always had the natural talent, but he’s grown at Notre Dame, and is more physically imposing now. Looks like a tough kid, too. He is certainly used to pressure and it doesn’t get to him. The best is yet to come for Clausen. The red flags are out on Oklahoma’s Sam Bradford; it’s not only the shoulder injuries, but the questions of whether he can throw while under pressure, because he doesn’t encounter much of a pass rush at OU. Cincinnati’s Tony Pike could be the steal of the draft; he’s likely to be downgraded and drop down the board because of multiple injuries to his left wrist. But he’s a player. Not sure if Colt McCoy (Texas) has the frame, but he seems like a good fit for a West Coast offense. Jevan Snead (Ole Miss) has been touted by scouts and draftniks, but I haven’t seen enough (yet) to get excited by his NFL future. Again, that could change. All of this could.

                      VAHE GREGORIAN
                      With his bum shoulder this season, Oklahoma quarterback Sam Bradford may be losing stock for the 2010 draft or may even be considering waiting another year to come out. But if he’s available, the Rams would be wise to snap him up. Although he could stand to be more mobile, especially considering the Rams line, last year’s Heisman Trophy winner has all the tools to build a team around: accuracy (67.9 percent of his passes last season), height (6-4) and a leadership presence that makes players want to play better just for him, OU coach Bob Stoops says. Maybe some will see the shoulder injury and apparent aggravation of it last week against Texas as something chronic or signs he is brittle, but sometimes quarterbacks just get hit and hurt. There’s no reason to think it’s anything more with Bradford.

                      JEFF...
                      -10-22-2009, 05:20 PM
                    • Goldenfleece
                      QB Quick Takes
                      by Goldenfleece
                      A Pre-Combine consideration of some of the draft’s top quarterbacks:

                      Sam Bradford
                      Observations: The one benefit to Bradford’s lost season was highlighting the impact he had on the Sooners’ success. With Bradford in the lineup, OU was a national title contender in ‘08. Without him, they struggled to 8-5 in ‘09. Like Tebow and McCoy, he was a key component of one of college football’s best teams. Unlike Tebow and McCoy, Bradford was a pocket passer who succeeded using the same skills he will be asked to draw upon in the pros. He goes through his progressions, makes quick decisions, uses good judgment, and has completed a high percentage of his throws.
                      Risk Factors: By far, the biggest question is how his shoulder checks out. Bradford played in a spread offense but stayed in the pocket more than most spread quarterbacks. Nonetheless, there will be some questions about transitioning to a system where he will be dropping back on the majority of plays.
                      Gut Reaction: Bradford's got game. If his shoulder checks out, he is the only quarterback I'd seriously consider drafting in the top five at the moment.

                      Jimmy Clausen
                      Observations: If some quarterbacks are raw prospects and others polished, Clausen is that shiny spot on a bronze statue that has been rubbed about a million times for good luck. Jimmy’s older brothers were Division I quarterbacks, his parents paid for him to learn from a professional quarterbacks coach in junior high, he went to a prep school with a high profile football program, and capped it off by learning a pro system at Notre Dame from none other than Charlie Weis. It is doubtful that any other quarterback in this class compares in terms of preparation for the NFL. The flip side is that he might also be the closest to his ceiling. Despite what might sound like a slightly pampered upbringing, Clausen has played through injury and sickness and earned his place on the team. He has a quick release and throws with velocity and accuracy.
                      Risk Factors: One area of concern is that despite Clausen’s gaudy personal statistics, the Irish never made it into a BCS bowl under his leadership. His college career ended with his head coach being fired after 4 straight losses to the likes of Navy, Pitt, U Conn, and Stanford. This was the team’s second loss to Navy in Clausen’s three years starting, snapping a 43-game streak of Notre Dame wins in the match-up. Given that all of ND’s losses were close last season (7 points or less), it is a bit disappointing that he did not pull off a few more comeback wins. He did not have the greatest defense or running game to help out, but he has benefited from playing with receivers like Golden Tate and Michael Floyd. Some also say he doesn’t have the greatest deep ball. I would also have slight concerns about how he would fit in with his teammates based simply on my own experience with Notre Dame alumni who often seem to forget that not everyone has enjoyed
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                      -02-18-2010, 05:43 PM
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