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  • Suh Not the No. 1 Pick?

    Per ESPN Insider,

    ESPN Insider's KC Joyner evaluated Nebraska defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh and writes, "It is said that this is one of the deepest defensive line drafts in NFL history and the metrics say Suh is head and shoulders above his positional competition. He should be the No. 1 pick in the draft."

    But here's where the problem comes in: the St. Louis Rams pick first -- this tweet from NFL Insider Adam Schefter gives us the Top 10 -- and rumors have been building that they will be taking a QB with that No. 1 pick. The NFL is the League of Quarterbacks, after all, not the League of Defensive Tackles.

    If that happens, the Detriot Lions and their fans would be ecstatic, as they would love to see Suh in Motown.
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    Quite frankly, I'd be upset if this happens. Unless Sam Bradford/Clausen show that they ARE the future of this organization and is worth the 1st pick of the draft, we have to pick the best player available.

    Honestly, I'd be shocked if we don't pick Suh but you never know. What scares me the most is screwing up landing a high caliber player like Suh.
    Always and Forever a fan of the St. Louis Rams

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    Re: Suh Not the No. 1 Pick?

    It has started earlier than expected, but we all knew this would happen. AV predicted it in a thread a couple of weeks ago.

    See, there's two ways the media can go with the Rams #1 pick.

    The accurate, but boring way: The Rams will pick Suh.
    The inaccurate, but intriguing way: The Rams will not pick Suh.

    The 2nd way is more interesting because it's not the expected. Not right, but not expected; therefore, people like Adam Schefter become relevant with their unexpected notions that come from "anonymous sources" and "league insiders"

    I have full faith that Devaney and Spags will do what's right.........and right now, that means Suh is a Ram.
    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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    • #3
      Re: Suh Not the No. 1 Pick?

      I would be disappointed if we pass on Suh, but i wont be surprised. This is a QB league and dev and spags have got to be feeling pressure to turn this thing around immediatly. The most obvious way to show that they are trying would be getting a QB in the first round, even if it isnt the best choice. You have to remember that to a common fan that just watches the game and doesnt analyze the players like some poeple on this forum do, all the blame rests on the QB no matter what.

      That being said, if we dont take suh, i expect us to trade out of the top pick. When QB's are taken #1 overall they are grossly overpaid.

      Edit: After reading my own post again, it sound as if I dont want Suh with the first pick. To clarify i think Suh is the BPA and should be our pick.

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      • #4
        Re: Suh Not the No. 1 Pick?

        If the Lions draft Suh that would mean we are one year behind them. How is that? They got their franchise QB last year and this year they get "King Alpha Tackle." We get ours this year and pick #1 priority defense next year?

        Not happening here!!! To much disappointment in this franchise to give up our #1 pick on some bust QB in the 2010 draft.

        I like what I viewed on ESPN insider and that is that Rams will draft Suh and possibly get Colt McCoy in the second round, he will still be available.
        Last edited by Nick; -01-04-2010, 11:53 PM. Reason: No links...
        LA RAMMER

        It's Jim not Chris
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HNgqQVHI_8

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        • #5
          Re: Suh Not the No. 1 Pick?

          Originally posted by Varg6 View Post
          Honestly, I'd be shocked if we don't pick Suh but you never know.
          I wouldn't be. This team needs a quarterback of the future, and there are two guys who, while some would argue aren't deserving of the first overall pick, certainly are going to get consideration in the Top 5-10.

          If the Rams feel Bradford's medical report is not a concern, or if they talk to Clausen and like what they hear, they may opt to pull the trigger on someone they feel will be a franchise QB.

          At this moment, I have a hard time believing either quarterback represents better value than Suh, and both QB and DT are needs. I'd prefer to see the Rams go with Suh in round one and find a quarterback of the future after that. But given the importance of the position, it wouldn't surprise me if the Rams took a QB first.

          A bit disappointed maybe, but not surprised. And if that QB turns into the franchise player the Rams thought he'd be when they drafted him, maybe in the end, we wouldn't mind.

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          • #6
            Re: Suh Not the No. 1 Pick?

            Man, already? Suh is the best player in the draft, hands down! The combine or anything doesn't really prove anything! Look at Gholston! That dude was a beast at the combine. We have to go off of playing, and Suh is a dominant player!!!

            I would be more than surprised if Suh isn't the pick. We saw running backs race all over the field against us. Clearly, DT is a need, and Suh happens to be the best one in recent years! We can still land a QB of the future in round two.

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            • #7
              Re: Suh Not the No. 1 Pick?

              I'm wondering what you guys think of this idea...


              Assuming that the Rams decide to take a QB instead of Suh.

              The Bucs trade the 3rd overall pick and the 35th overall pick for the #1 overall pick.

              Seeing as how the Bucs and Lions both have their QBs of the future, Clausen will be sitting at #3 for the Rams to take.

              The Rams end up with their QB and a second rounder, and Suh wears pewter next season.

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              • #8
                Re: Suh Not the No. 1 Pick?

                Originally posted by Buccaneers View Post
                I'm wondering what you guys think of this idea...


                Assuming that the Rams decide to take a QB instead of Suh.

                The Bucs trade the 3rd overall pick and the 35th overall pick for the #1 overall pick.

                Seeing as how the Bucs and Lions both have their QBs of the future, Clausen will be sitting at #3 for the Rams to take.

                The Rams end up with their QB and a second rounder, and Suh wears pewter next season.

                Hey Buccaneer
                No way !
                Going to cost you 1st, 2nd & 3rd in this years draft.

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                • #9
                  Re: Suh Not the No. 1 Pick?

                  Of course the Rams are looking at taking a QB. They're looking at everything at this point. There's a lot of work to be done before April and they are not going to lock onto any particular player any time soon. It's going to be a long, twisting, turning, smoke filled, rumor laced journey to draft day. Be prepared for an unpredictable ride. I'm sure it will keep this place jumpin'.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Suh Not the No. 1 Pick?

                    ESPN, much like every other subscription-based information service, is looking to sell subscriptions. Also, they're not exactly very accurate with it which is a shame. ;)

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                    • #11
                      Re: Suh Not the No. 1 Pick?

                      Yes the Rams need a QB. But they also need a DT. And DE. And WR. And OLB. And some secondary help. And some OL help cant hurt.

                      The thing is, the Rams will take the best player available because they can. Its not like we already have a stud DL so can pass on Suh, and its not as if we are a QB away from a Superbowl. Suh is the best player in this draft.

                      Now, with the two teams picking after the Rams being Detroit and Tampa, and both of them having young QBs already, it makes sense that if one covets Suh and wants to give up a lot of picks to get him, that the Rams take the deal and get a QB of the future anyway. Like i say, the Rams are in dire need of players. Problem here is that Detroit may be happy to stay where they are and take a guy like Gerald McCoy or Russell Okong.

                      The interesting thing comes with Washington at No. 4. I know Mike Shanahan is probably going to go there and be the guy leading the personel charge, but Dan Snyder is still there and they will want a new QB. The Rams could show interest in the two QBs in an attempt to get Washington to give up a big deal and move up. Then the Rams can stockpile some picks and get a good player at 4th (Gerald McCoy). However, Shanahan is much more draft savvy than Snyder, and its likely that such a move by Washington wont happen. Either they stay at the 4th and pick the QB that the Rams dont want, or if both are there they have their pick of the QBs. Shanahan will probably want to take a premier OT like Okong or Bruce Campbell and build a strong line like he had in Denver. He can get that by staying at 4th.

                      But at this early stage it makes a lot of sense for the Rams to not rule out a QB and to be showing interest in all players. But if a deal doesnt happen for the Rams, they will take Suh.
                      @EssexRam_

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                      • #12
                        Re: Suh Not the No. 1 Pick?

                        Originally posted by Varg6 View Post
                        But here's where the problem comes in: the St. Louis Rams pick first -- this tweet from NFL Insider Adam Schefter gives us the Top 10 -- and rumors have been building that they will be taking a QB with that No. 1 pick.
                        Let's talk about "rumors," shall we?

                        There are only 5 people who possess real "inside information" regarding who the Rams might take. They are: Bill Devaney, Steve Spagnuolo, Kevin Demoff, Chip Rosenbloom and Lucia Rodriguez.

                        Now, do you think that:

                        1. Any of these five people have decided who to take, and if so

                        2. They are talking about it in public?

                        Obviously the answer to both questions is "no."

                        So... and let me be clear...

                        THERE ARE NO RUMORS. ITS ALL JUST SPORTSWRITER SPECULATION. RUMORS AND SPECULATION ARE NOT THE SAME THINGS!

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                        • #13
                          Re: Suh Not the No. 1 Pick?

                          There will be all kinds of rumors flying between now and draft day. The way I see it, the biggest screw-up would be if the Rams took any player other than Suh with the first pick. Trade down with a team who has a top 10 #1 pick, get an additional player or another late first/early second round pick, or pick Suh. If there's another team who is willing to give up their left nut to pick Suh, then make 'em pay, if not, pick Suh and enjoy a future HoF'er for the next 10 years.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Suh Not the No. 1 Pick?

                            Sportswriter: This 24 hour news thing is real weighing me down. I don't know what to write about.

                            Co-worker: You can write an interesting article about who the Rams should take with their first pick.

                            Sportswriter: Or l can make something up!

                            Co-worker: Well, I don't think that's such a good idea--

                            Sportswriter: It's perfect! Thanks for your help!

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                            • #15
                              Re: Suh Not the No. 1 Pick?

                              Would Detroit give up their 2nd Round pick to swap with the Rams for the Number 1 pick in the draft?

                              I'd do it.

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                              • r8rh8rmike
                                For Those Of You Who Want Suh With The First Pick.....
                                by r8rh8rmike
                                Who would you take if for some reason Suh withdrew from the draft? No trade down scenarios. There's no time time left on the clock and it's time to make a decision with the first pick. Who do you go with?
                                -01-26-2010, 12:00 PM
                              • Molotov
                                Not Suh
                                by Molotov
                                The problem I have with drafting Suh is, I actually think our interior DL is pretty good at the moment.

                                If you bring on Suh, that gives you Douzable, Ramsey, Gibson, Scott, Ryan, and Suh. Meanwhile, on the edge, we have Long, Victor, and Hall. This could all change via free agency, of course.

                                All of our interior guys are decent players, and Scott and Ryan are actually pretty good. Our edge guys are okay, but do not provide consistent pressure on opposing QBs. And I am not convinced that Suh will provide a pass rush in the NFL.

                                So the actual improvement of the team will be marginal with the addition of Suh. We need game changers. We need edge rushers, shut down corners, big play WRs, and a stud QB. If we add Suh, we will STILL need edge rushers, shut down corners, big play WRs, and a stud QB.

                                I would rather have Spiller, Bryant, Berry, or Clausen. These guys appear to be the game changers that rate as top 5 picks.
                                -01-12-2010, 07:35 AM
                              • ludairv
                                IF NOT SUH ....then TAKE...
                                by ludairv
                                ERIC BERRY!!!!!... man watchin this team is so frustrating!!!!!! i remember the good ol days when they were the GSOT and not only that they had a solid defense!!.... its clear now the LOCKER is returning for his senior season!! and that means NO OTHER QB is worthy of a top 3 pick!
                                no way CLaussen gets chosen.... this team needds The NEXT BEST TALENT on the board and that is BERRY ...look how pathetic the Steelers Defense is without Polumalu ( its crazy that one player makes that big of a difference btw)
                                .....yes ofcourse i know the rams lack D line talent/depth ...but come on Spagnoulo has an eye for talent in that field.....look a the giants d line when they won that superbowll... ..the moajority of those guys were later round talent!!! .... If OJ goes and we get pick out of it ...hopefully we cant spend those on fillin out key postions.....i now goin from a B- to and A isnt that big of an upgrade but come. on ...in the long run.....it will damn well be worth it!!!!!:helmet::helmet::helmet:
                                -12-14-2009, 02:19 PM
                              • Nick
                                Watercooler: Is Suh the Rams’ best choice at No. 1?
                                by Nick
                                Is Suh the Rams’ best choice at No. 1?
                                By Roger Hensley
                                01.05.2010 1:59 pm

                                THE WATERCOOLER

                                QUESTION: Now that the Rams have secured the No. 1 overall pick in next April’s NFL draft, do you think Nebraska’s Ndamukong Suh is the clear-cut choice, or is there another player you might consider in that spot? Or, with so many needs, do you think it might behoove the Rams to trade down and secure more early-round draft choices?

                                JIM THOMAS
                                With so many needs, obviously the best scenario would be a trade-down that was too good to refuse. But trades at the No. 1 overall position don’t happen all that often. For now, Suh remains the clear-cut choice.

                                BILL COATS
                                The Rams might well like to trade down, but the days of gaining a raft of picks for the top spot in the draft appear to be over. Teams covet their picks, plus they know the big dollars a No. 1 overall will cost them. Suh looks like a strong front-runner at this point, although GM Billy Devaney and his personnel folks haven’t even begun to work on their draft board yet.

                                JEFF GORDON
                                Suh seems to offer a best-case scenario: a still-developing player with huge athletic potential. Many college players max out their ability in college after years of weightlifting. Suh, by contrast, came to Nebraska as a raw talent — and he didn’t really take off until this season, when he finally polished up his technique. Scouts seem to believe he will keep improving. The opportunity to add such a disruptive force at the point of attack is hard to resist. But . . . if the Rams could move down two or three spots and add some more high picks in the process, that is worth considering. Such deals are rare these days, but Suh apparently is a rare commodity.
                                -01-06-2010, 08:36 AM
                              • Bralidore(RAMMODE)
                                Problems with Drafting Suh?
                                by Bralidore(RAMMODE)
                                Money....Money Money Money. Suh reportedly has the same agent that Crabtree had last season. The same agent that notoriously causes rookie holdouts with every client he gets including the likes of Emmitt Smith, Larry Fitz, Walter Jones....Mr. Eugene Parker. If your a franchise hard up for cash and desperately need all your assets in camp come spring, this is a nasty development. He gets TOP dollar for all his clients and could likely cause Suh to be the most overpaid player......ever. Our franchise's state and Suh's stock could make this get out of hand.

                                Hopefully Suh isn't the type of guy that will make this get too ugly. I'd seriously be shopping the pick around for a good deal at this point. In im number one I still take Suh but if I can trade down and get a reasonable deal in the process...i take it.
                                -01-28-2010, 06:23 PM
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