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  • Av's 2010 Rams Draft Board (Version 2.0 - 1/7/10)

    Time for an update.

    While the Rams have the first pick, its still important to have a draft board to account for the possiblity of a trade (either down from pick 1, or up to get a second first round pick), as well as the chance that a player could fall to selection #33.

    1. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska (Previous Rank: 2)
    2. Derrick Morgan,* DE, Georgia Tech (Previous Rank: 3)
    3. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma (Previous Rank: 4)
    4. Joe Haden, CB, Florida (Previous Rank: N/A)
    5. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson (Previous Rank: 7)
    6. Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State (Previous Rank: 8)
    7. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee (Previous Rank: 9)
    8. Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma (Previous Rank: 6)
    9. Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame (Previous Rank: 5)
    10. Terrence Cody, DT, Alabama (Previous Rank 10)

    *Undeclared

    Comments
    With Jake Locker going back to school, Suh slides into the first spot. I doubt he'll move from there. I still like Morgan over McCoy due to his pass rushing abilities. The newest member of my board is Joe Haden, who recently declared. I think he is a potential superstar at the CB spot. I've moved down the QBs, as both have a lot of question marks. With Bradford (who I've now jumped ahead of Clausen), its all about his shoulder. If it checks out and he throws well, he could climb the board. Clausen could go either way for me. If he is as undersized as I suspect he is, he could fall out of my Top 10.
    Last edited by AvengerRam_old; -01-07-2010, 02:57 PM.

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    Re: Av's 2010 Rams Draft Board (Version 2.0 - 1/7/10)

    I can't recall Av, do you rankings account for team need (ie. certain players being higher or lower on the board depending on if the Rams need that position) or are they strictly based on the prospects and how they grade out?

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    • #3
      Re: Av's 2010 Rams Draft Board (Version 2.0 - 1/7/10)

      Its based on a combination of the Rams' needs and BPA. At this point, I'm weighing BPA more heavily than needs. However, there are some positions (LT, C, MLB) where the need is low enough that I've excluded players who might be on a pure BPA draft board for the whole league.

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      • #4
        Clausen and undersized?

        Not sure if absolute size is that important for a QB, Drew Brees is barely 6' (if that) while Jamarcus Russell is 6'4 or so. I think a lot more things go into the equation before dropping a QB based on size. Clausen is over 6' the question is whether he's 6'1 or 6'3. My guess he'll measure something like 6'1.5.

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        • #5
          Re: Av's 2010 Rams Draft Board (Version 2.0 - 1/7/10)

          You still have Mount Cody in your top ten. Very interesting. Depending on his showing tonight in the National Championship, where do you think he can move up to? Or maybe even fall down to?

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          • #6
            Re: Av's 2010 Rams Draft Board (Version 2.0 - 1/7/10)

            Derrick Morgan wasn't that impressive against Iowa the other night. Bryan Bulaga, who is usually projected as more of an RT prospect than an LT, kept him quiet; I'd hesitate to put him at number two.

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            • #7
              Re: Av's 2010 Rams Draft Board (Version 2.0 - 1/7/10)

              Originally posted by DistantRam View Post
              Derrick Morgan wasn't that impressive against Iowa the other night. Bryan Bulaga, who is usually projected as more of an RT prospect than an LT, kept him quiet; I'd hesitate to put him at number two.
              Agreed. Buluga another top prospect kept him in check, Its always nice to see how top prospects fair against each other. I wouldn't put him at 2, but definately in the top

              Speaking about competing against top prospects Joe Hadden Shut down the 2 best senior WRs in the draft in Mardy Gillyard and Brandon Lafell, both didn't get over 45 yards.

              Not sure why Claussen fell, when he has only done better since the last board. His height? I don't buy that he had one of the tallest lines in College Football the smallest guy was 6-5 both Tackles were 6-8. Claussen will be listed at 6-2. QBs on the shorter side in the NFL Kurt Warner, Drew Brees, Tony Romo, Aaron Rodgers, Brett Farve, Donavan McNabb all LISTED at 6'2 or under all in the playoffs all pretty successful. You can be successful without being 6-5 you can see that because 7 out of the 12 playoff QBs are 6-2. The toe? He played through it all season shows incredible toughness something Sam Bradford definately can't say. Plus its a toe, not like its a shoulder. They have the tape of all season they know what he can do, even if you need to see more he will throw in April. The more important thing is the interviews were he can really make a difference on his stock, negatively or positively.

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              • #8
                Re: Av's 2010 Rams Draft Board (Version 2.0 - 1/7/10)

                Originally posted by DistantRam View Post
                Derrick Morgan wasn't that impressive against Iowa the other night. Bryan Bulaga, who is usually projected as more of an RT prospect than an LT, kept him quiet; I'd hesitate to put him at number two.
                From what I saw, Iowa ran a lot of plays designed to take Morgan out of the game, including a couple of TE swing passes that worked very well.

                I've seen Morgan play in several games this year, though, and he looks like the real deal to me.

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                • #9
                  Re: Av's 2010 Rams Draft Board (Version 2.0 - 1/7/10)

                  Originally posted by 39thebeast View Post
                  QBs on the shorter side in the NFL Kurt Warner, Drew Brees, Tony Romo, Aaron Rodgers, Brett Farve, Donavan McNabb all LISTED at 6'2 or under.
                  Actually, apart from Brees, they're all listed at exactly 6'2. If Clausen is 6'2, I would not consider him too small. I'm betting that he's more like 6'0. If I'm right, that would not eliminate him from consideration, but it probably would drop him out of my top 10.

                  Part of the reason I dropped both QBs is that I'm starting to look at the QB crop as being deeper than I initially thought, and I've seen some good performances from some second and third tier QBs (a distinction that is becoming increasingly blurred). Right now, I'd rank the QB crop as follows:

                  1. Sam Bradford
                  2. Jimmy Clausen
                  3. Colt McCoy (assuming his shoulder injury is minor)
                  4. Dan LeFevour (very impressed with his GMAC Bowl performance)
                  5. Tony Pike (less impressed with him after his last two games)
                  6. Levi Brown (interesting "sleeper" prospect)
                  Last edited by AvengerRam_old; -01-08-2010, 07:15 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Av's 2010 Rams Draft Board (Version 2.0 - 1/7/10)

                    Originally posted by AvengerRam View Post
                    From what I saw, Iowa ran a lot of plays designed to take Morgan out of the game, including a couple of TE swing passes that worked very well.

                    I've seen Morgan play in several games this year, though, and he looks like the real deal to me.
                    Morgan looks amazing in his bowl game...

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                    • AvengerRam_old
                      Av's 2010 Rams Draft Board (Post-Combine)
                      by AvengerRam_old
                      Time for another update:

                      1. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska (Previous Rank: 1)
                      2. Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma (Previous Rank: 2)

                      3. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma (Previous Rank: 4)
                      4. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson (Previous Rank: 6)
                      5. Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech (Previous Rank: 3)
                      6. Jason Pierre-Paul, DE, South Florida (Previous Rank: N/A)
                      7. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee (Previous Rank: 8)
                      8. Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame (Previous Rank: 9)
                      9. Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State (Previous Rank: 7)
                      10. Sergio Kindle, DE/OLB, Texas (Previous Rank: N/A)

                      Comments:

                      Suh's Combine performance confirmed his right to hold on to the top spot. Bradford is a close second, and his value is enhanced every time a tier 2 QB has a bad day. McCoy jumps above Morgan due to the latter's weigh-in (266 lbs.) which raised some minor concerns. Pierre-Paul, on the other hand, shocked me by weighing in at a 270 which, along with his speed and quickness, makes for an intriguing package. Berry is back as my top DB after a disappointing peformance by Joe Haden, who drops out of my Top 10. Clausen and Bryant really did nothing at the Combine, and will both have to impress in Pro Day workouts. Kindle is a newcomer to my list. I see a lot of Leonard Little in him, in terms of a player who could gain some bulk and continue to play DE in a 4-3, as he did in college.
                      -03-03-2010, 10:53 AM
                    • AvengerRam_old
                      Av's 2010 Rams Draft Board (Version 3.0 - 2/4/10)
                      by AvengerRam_old
                      Time for another update!

                      My thought process on this has changed a bit, so here are my new rankings:

                      Time for an update.

                      While the Rams have the first pick, its still important to have a draft board to account for the possiblity of a trade (either down from pick 1, or up to get a second first round pick), as well as the chance that a player could fall to selection #33.

                      1. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska (Previous Rank: 1)
                      2. Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma (Previous Rank: 6)
                      3. Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech (Previous Rank: 2)
                      4. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma (Previous Rank: 3)
                      5. Joe Haden, CB, Florida (Previous Rank: 4)
                      6. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson (Previous Rank: 5)
                      7. Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State (Previous Rank: 6)
                      8. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee (Previous Rank: 7)
                      9. Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame (Previous Rank: 9)
                      10. Mike Iupati, OG/RT, Idaho (Previous Rank N/A)


                      Comments
                      At this point, I'm looking at the options as being one of the following: (1) take Suh with the first pick, (2) take Bradford with the first pick, or (3) trade down and take Bradford.

                      The third option is very tempting, but has three problems. First, the Rams would obviously need a trading partner. Would Tampa give up a 2nd round pick (plus other picks) to move up 2 spots? Who knows? Second, if the Rams trade down to No. 3, they risk a scenario in which the Redskins might trade up to No. 2 if they really want Bradford (while the Rams would still get a great prospect and have an extra 2nd round pick under that scenario, it would not be the intended result). Finally, if the Rams trade down, they lose the opportunity to pre-sign their selection.

                      Some will undoubtedly question why I've moved Bradford to No. 2 while leaving Jimmy Clausen at No. 9. The answer is that I just don't have the same feeling about Clausen. When I've seen him play, he just didn't stand out to me as a guy who makes you say "Wow. That guy's going to be playing on Sundays.) Bradford - before the injury - was that kind of player in my eyes.

                      Finally, I've dropped Terrence Cody from the list. While I think he can be a good player, I wonder how much a guy with such liitations is really worth. Iupati strikes me as a guy with Steve Hutchinson type potential at OG, and who also could be a very good starting RT.

                      Next update will be in March after the Combine.
                      -02-04-2010, 08:34 AM
                    • AvengerRam_old
                      Av's First Official 2010 Rams Draft Board (12/2/09)
                      by AvengerRam_old
                      I'm going to do five of these (one each month) between now and the draft. As this is my first official board, here are a few ground rules. First, I am, at this stage, projecting that certain underclassmen will declare. Second, I see two scenarios here: (1) draft a franchise QB in Round 1, or (2) draft a DL in Round 1 and wait until Round 2 or 3 to take a QB. I'm still straddling that fence, as you will soon see.

                      So, with those thoughts in mind, here is my Top 10:

                      1. Jake Locker, QB, Washington
                      Right now, I see Locker as the only potential franchise QB in the draft. He has elite physical tools. His production has not been overwhelming. The question that must be answered through due diligence is whether his lack of production is the product of underdeveloped skills or poor talent around him. His grasp on my top spot is tenuous, at best.

                      2. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
                      He could be a definite difference maker on the DL, and he fits the mold of quick DTs who peformed well in Spagnuolo's Giant defenses. At this point, he's probably the most certain top 3 pick among all prospects.

                      3. Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech
                      Surprised? Trust me, you won't be in the coming months. This guy has the size (6'4, 272) and productivity (12 sacks so far this year) you look for in a pass rushing prospect. He also seems to have the intangibles the Rams will be looking for, which will elevate him above guys like Carlos Dunlap and Greg Hardy. Look for him to be a star at the Combine.

                      4. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
                      This is a good year at the top of the draft for DTs. McCoy rates only a hair or two below Suh, and could be just as good as a pro. A sure fire top 5 pick absent a major bump in the evaluation process.

                      5. Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame
                      But, Av... you said there was only one potential franchise QB in the draft. Yes, that is what I believe. But I could be wrong. I want to see how Clausen measures (is he really 6'3?) and what the scouts really think of his arm strength. His game films and stats are impressive, though.

                      6. Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
                      But, Aaaaavvvvvvvvv.... Yeah, yeah, I know. Look, when this season started Bradford was the concensus No. 1 overall. If he's healthy and tests well, you can't count him out. Still, that whole spread offense against Big 12 defenses thing worries me.

                      7. C.J.Spiller, RB, Clemson
                      Yes, I know the Rams don't really need a RB (at least not a starter). But Spiller, in my opinion, is much more than just a RB. I think he can do everything that Percy Harvin can do, and more. He's that good.

                      8. Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State
                      This would be a different approach, but if the Rams win a few more games and are picking in the 7-10 range, Bryant would be a very good option. He could really elevate the WR corps and make the QB's job much easier.

                      9. Eric Berry, S,...
                      -12-02-2009, 12:54 PM
                    • eldfan
                      Considering Clausen for the Rams next QB
                      by eldfan
                      Considering Clausen for the Rams next QB
                      by VanRam on Nov 24, 2009 3:58 PM CST in 2010 NFL Draft 35 comments

                      Ok, with Bulger's tibia fracture barely days old and the (likely) end of his career with the St. Louis Rams, it's time to start talking QB of the future. Not that we haven't been talking about that since the last draft, but such chatter earned a new lease on life with Bulger's injury.

                      Carneros got it started yesterday with this post, and I'm going to feed the fire some more today. First, a quick review of the Rams QB options moving forward. Boil it down to the essence, and the Rams have three options at QB for 2010: 1) sign a free agent (personally, I like Jason Campbell if they go this route), 2) draft a QB or 3) keep one of the in-house options, Bulger (if he can return) or Boller. Note that 2 and 3 are not mutually exclusive.

                      And now, I submit for your consideration Notre Dame QB Jimmy Clausen.

                      With Sam Bradford on the mend, Clausen is racing to the top of draft boards, at least among QBs. I think he'll be the first QB taken in the draft. I guess we'll have to see how much fan damage he incurred on a punch to the face this weekend. Will the Rams take him? Should the Rams take him?

                      Why Clausen?

                      Let's start with the stats, more specifically, the stats that can tell us something about success at the next level. According to the Lewin Career Forecast, the two most important things to look at when trying to gauge NFL success are a QBs career starts and completion percentage.

                      Clausen's a junior this year. He took over starting duties early in his freshman year, true freshman year, and ended up starting in nine games, and started every game in two seasons since then. For his college career, he has a 62.2 percent completion rate, a stunning 67.3 percent this season.

                      His TD to INT ratio of 23-4 speaks to his accuracy as a QB.

                      One thing I like about him is his ability to find receivers and create plays where others cannot. That's something the Rams have really been missing. Yes, St. Louis lacks the established talent at WR, but after watching this season of west coast offense move forward in fits and starts, it would be wise to have a QB that could find receivers or even go through the reads.

                      I'm not qualified to judge much about college players, especially the "intangibles". Talk of Clausen's acumen for the game, ability to read defenses and assuredness resonate for a long suffering fan of this team. Here are a couple of scouting reports from FFToolbox and Walter Football.

                      As a junior, there's still no gaurantee that Clausen will declare for the draft this year. I'd be pretty shocked if he didn't given the fact that his stock is skyrocketing. In fact, with Bradford unlikely to be ready for the Combine, I wonder if Clausen does separate himself from the rest of the...
                      -11-25-2009, 09:31 AM
                    • AvengerRam_old
                      Who's in your five?
                      by AvengerRam_old
                      If you had to name 5 college players that you think the Rams should consider with their first pick, who would they be. I'm not concerned with order of preference, just list 5 guys in alphabetical order who you'd want to be on the Rams' draft board.

                      Mine:

                      Bradford, Sam (QB, Oklahoma)
                      Clausen, Jimmy (QB, Notre Dame)
                      Locker, Jake (QB, Washington)
                      Spiller, C.J. (RB, Clemson)
                      Suh, Ndamukong (DT, Nebraska)
                      -11-18-2009, 08:54 AM
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