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  • Could Michael Vick be an option for St. Louis Rams?

    BY JIM THOMAS
    ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
    01/15/2010

    As the Philadelphia Eagles headed into the offseason following last weekend's wild-card loss to Dallas, quarterback Michael Vick made it clear what he wanted in his future.

    "Everybody wants to be a starter in this league, and everybody wants to play," Vick told the Philadelphia Inquirer. "That should be your goal. The ambition you should have is to want to be great. ... I know I can still play at a high level."

    All of which is no surprise to Eagles coach Andy Reid.

    "That kid, the changes that he made this year in his life, I was impressed with," Reid told Philadelphia reporters. "And his desire to be a No. 1 guy in this league, I'd be disappointed if he didn't feel that way."


    As long as Donovan McNabb and Kevin Kolb are in Philly, Vick won't get a chance to start for the Eagles. But what about St. Louis?

    What seemed totally far-fetched last summer, as Vick was about to get out of prison, no longer seems like such a longshot in St. Louis. Because Vick remains under contract with Philadelphia, Rams general manager Billy Devaney can't speak publicly on the topic.

    But Devaney has consistently said the team will explore all options to improve the club. He has made it a point in interviews to note that the "four pillars" approach is being softened this offseason. In other words, the Rams are more likely to take a chance on a so-called "character-risk" player than last year at this time.

    Devaney worked for the Atlanta Falcons before coming to St. Louis, so he's very familiar with Vick. In fact, Devaney visited Vick in prison while Vick was serving 18 months for running a dogfighting operation.

    Reid has been one of the major career influences for Rams coach Steve Spagnuolo. So when Reid talks about how he was impressed with Vick, and the "changes" he made in his life, that will resonate with Spagnuolo.

    So it will come as no surprise if Vick's name comes up next week when Devaney, Spagnuolo and executive vice president of football operations Kevin Demoff meet with Rams owner Chip Rosenbloom at the organization's annual postseason summit.

    By all accounts, Vick has said and done the right things in Philadelphia, where he was given a second chance by Reid. If not the Rams, it seems likely someone now will give Vick a chance to compete for a starting job in a league where top-flight quarterbacks remain a rare commodity.

    But even if it comes down to a pure football decision, does Vick still have what it takes to be a difference-maker in the NFL? That's what the Rams, or any other team, must decide.

    The No. 1 overall pick in the 2001 draft by Atlanta, Vick made three Pro Bowls in six seasons with the Falcons. He isn't a pure passer in terms of accuracy. His completion percentage with the Falcons was only 54 percent; his passer rating only 75.7. But he has very good arm strength, and always threw a good deep ball.

    And the guy wins. The Falcons were a different team with him in the lineup. His regular-season won-lost record of 38-28-1 through the 2006 season was the 11th-best winning percentage (.575) among active quarterbacks at the time.

    Vick was truly electrifying in beating teams with his legs. He set an NFL rushing record for a quarterback in 2006, his last season before prison, with 1,039 yards — averaging a staggering 8.4 yards per carry.

    The question the Rams or any other team must answer is this: Can Vick still be a game-changer as a runner? He turns 30 in June, missed the '07 and '08 seasons entirely, and was limited to a cameo role in '09 with the Eagles.

    Vick threw only 13 passes for Philly in the regular season — completing six for 86 yards and a touchdown. He ran 24 times for 95 yards and two TDs, averaging 4.0 yards per carry.

    That's not nearly a big enough sample size to draw firm conclusions on Vick's current skill level. But his 76-yard touchdown pass to Jeremy Maclin last week against Dallas showed he still has zip in his arm.

    "Being away from the game for two years didn't help me," Vick told the Philadelphia Daily News. "I see that I had to come back and get into a rhythm."

    Mentally, Vick thinks he's better than ever. He made the most of his time with McNabb in learning how to study and prepare for games.

    One reason Vick might not be an Eagle in 2010 is the size of the option year on his contract. He's scheduled to make $3.75 million in base salary, as well as a $1.5 million roster bonus — for a total of $5.25 million. That's a lot of money for a role player.

    The $1.5 million roster bonus is due on the fifth day of the "league year." That's NFL-speak for the start of the free agency/trading period, which is March 5. So there's a chance the Eagles might want to simply release Vick rather than paying the $1.5 million by March 10.

    But if it looks like multiple suitors develop for Vick, it's not inconceivable that the Eagles would pay the roster bonus and then work out a trade.

    In St. Louis, Vick could bring sizzle to an offense that was among the league's worst in '09. As one long-time NFL coach told the Post-Dispatch: "That team lacks perimeter players. They can't play straight up (on offense) and win. They need to create explosiveness where it's not."

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    Re: Could Michael Vick be an option for St. Louis Rams?

    Lets look at some 2009 season stats:

    Bulger
    Completion Percentage: 56.7
    Rush Average: 2.8

    Boller
    Completion Percentage: 55.7
    Rush Average: 5.8

    Null
    Completion Percentage: 61.3
    Rush Average: 1.2

    Vick
    Completion Percentage: 46.2
    Rush Average: 4.0


    If we want an upgrade at the QB position, do we really want a guy who completed under half his passes in 2009? And as for Vick's supposed rushing threat, Kyle Boller averaged more per rush than Vick. So what kind of upgrade would Vick be? I know Vick only played in limited time, but in limited time playing for Minnesota, Tarvaris Jackson completed 66.7 percent of his passes

    So really, what reason is there to get Vick? Because he won some games in the past? So did Bart Starr
    @EssexRam_

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    • #3
      Re: Could Michael Vick be an option for St. Louis Rams?

      Originally posted by tomahawk247 View Post
      Lets look at some 2009 season stats:

      Bulger
      Completion Percentage: 56.7
      Rush Average: 2.8

      Boller
      Completion Percentage: 55.7
      Rush Average: 5.8

      Null
      Completion Percentage: 61.3
      Rush Average: 1.2

      Vick
      Completion Percentage: 46.2
      Rush Average: 4.0


      If we want an upgrade at the QB position, do we really want a guy who completed under half his passes in 2009? And as for Vick's supposed rushing threat, Kyle Boller averaged more per rush than Vick. So what kind of upgrade would Vick be? I know Vick only played in limited time, but in limited time playing for Minnesota, Tarvaris Jackson completed 66.7 percent of his passes

      So really, what reason is there to get Vick? Because he won some games in the past? So did Bart Starr
      Vick hardly even played this season, so it really is pointless to compare their stats to his and he crushed us when he played us in the playoffs. Vick is like 2-2 in the playoffs and he won games.

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      • #4
        Re: Could Michael Vick be an option for St. Louis Rams?

        Originally posted by supa7 View Post
        Vick hardly even played this season, so it really is pointless to compare their stats to his and he crushed us when he played us in the playoffs. Vick is like 2-2 in the playoffs and he won games.

        Yes Vick hardly even played this season. Is that a good thing? of course not. If the Eagles thought he could help win them games he would have played more. Yet he hardly saw the field. Even after throwing a TD in the playoff game he couldnt get on the field much, and the Eagles were desperate.

        He crushed us in the playoffs? In the 2004-2005 season, which was over five years ago. Also it was Warrick Dunn and Allen Rossum that killed us the most.

        So Vick has lost as many playoff games as he won? Is that supposed to be a good thing?

        And he might have won games. "Won" being the past tense. If we want a guy who won games, lets get Elway out of retirement.
        @EssexRam_

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        • #5
          Re: Could Michael Vick be an option for St. Louis Rams?

          I think this topic has been beaten to death over two seasons. According to two seperate sources from within the organization I have spoken to in the past week, this rumor is false.

          Not only that, but the majority of us on this site fail to understand the man-love you are showing for an under-achieving has-been.
          temp_4394_1467243487543_20
          RAMS!

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          • #6
            Re: Could Michael Vick be an option for St. Louis Rams?

            Vick is more of a running back that can throw alittle. He is getting older, and might be able to contribute some. But I dont think he is the contender he once was.

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            • #7
              Re: Could Michael Vick be an option for St. Louis Rams?

              Originally posted by RamsFanSam View Post
              I think this topic has been beaten to death over two seasons. According to two seperate sources from within the organization I have spoken to in the past week, this rumor is false.

              Not only that, but the majority of us on this site fail to understand the man-love you are showing for an under-achieving has-been.

              I certainly hope you're right, RamsFanSam- I will be beyond disgusted if the Rams bring this guy on board. Dogfighting and character issues aside, he is not and never was a good QB; he achieved a degree of success because of his legs. This is not the player to build your offense around and cannot be considered (at least in my opinion) an upgrade over Bulger, despite his warts. Vick has essentially been away from the game for three years.

              QB is a position we must address through the draft. You do your due diligence and get the guy you think can lead this club back to respectability and command the offense for the next 10 years. The free agent options out there are garbage- that's why they're available.

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              • #8
                Re: Could Michael Vick be an option for St. Louis Rams?

                Anything that would increase competition at ANY spot on this team I am for, and there is no way you can convince me he would be worse then what we've seen from the QBs we have now.
                I'm not sayin hes the answer but hes atleast an improvement on the Boller/Null project. 1/2 the season those 2 started.
                If we dont get a QB in the draft.
                If we cant get another QB in FA.
                Then I would look into a trade or pickup of MV for no other reason than, we need a QB.

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                • #9
                  Re: Could Michael Vick be an option for St. Louis Rams?

                  Number of times sportwriters might speculate about this: unlimited

                  Number of quotes in Jim Thomas' article from the Rams Front Office: zero

                  Value of articles speculating about Vick going to the Rams: worthless

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                  • #10
                    Re: Could Michael Vick be an option for St. Louis Rams?

                    Can we get a facepalm emoticon on this website? They keep beating this dead horse.

                    If Vick was a good player we would've had much more playing time in Philly. Yeah, he's fun to watch, but I would rather give that roster position to someone else.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Could Michael Vick be an option for St. Louis Rams?

                      #1 I am sick of people saying, if Vick was good he would have played more in phillly. Who is you option? Would he have played QB in philly? Doubtful.

                      #2 Vick will take a cheap salary and is a low risk. We have Bulger, Boller, and Null. I don't mine losing 2 of those 3 QB's becase "They all played here last year, and didn't win."

                      #3 He is a free agent. So whatever plan of drafting a QB or picking someone else up, we can still do that! So, basically there is low risk, and high reward!

                      I understand if you personally don't think Vick is the answer. Just say that.

                      For me it boils down to if we don't take a QB #1 we should absolutely pick up Vick. If we take a QB #1 that is a different story, but I still think Vick could come and start for at least the first half of the season.


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                      • #12
                        Re: Could Michael Vick be an option for St. Louis Rams?

                        You know, I've followed sports long enough to know where there is smoke more than likely there is fire. If Jim Thomas is writing an article about this, it isn't his imagination or even his opinion. He heard something at Rams Park. No one on this website knows for certain Vick isn't being considered. With the state this Rams offense is in, drastic times lead to drastic measures. If Vick is signed to a one year contract with the Rams it would not shock me in the least bit.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Could Michael Vick be an option for St. Louis Rams?

                          Originally posted by richtree View Post
                          #1 I am sick of people saying, if Vick was good he would have played more in phillly. Who is you option? Would he have played QB in philly? Doubtful.

                          #2 Vick will take a cheap salary and is a low risk. We have Bulger, Boller, and Null. I don't mine losing 2 of those 3 QB's becase "They all played here last year, and didn't win."

                          #3 He is a free agent. So whatever plan of drafting a QB or picking someone else up, we can still do that! So, basically there is low risk, and high reward!

                          I understand if you personally don't think Vick is the answer. Just say that.

                          For me it boils down to if we don't take a QB #1 we should absolutely pick up Vick. If we take a QB #1 that is a different story, but I still think Vick could come and start for at least the first half of the season.


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                          1. I have no idea what, "Who is you option?" means. However, why couldn't Vick have been given more opportunities at quarterback if he's really still a starting-caliber player? He attempted an average of one pass per game and two runs per game. The Eagles certainly had games where they needed help, and if you have a playmaking, game-changing starting-caliber player on your roster, you get him on the field. His lack of time on the field is troubling when you're talking about acquiring him to become a full-time starter.

                          2. We have no idea what kind of salary Vick will take. Calling him low risk is pretty inaccurate as well, IMO. Ignoring for a moment the public relations risk should he falter in some manner, turning to a guy who hasn't started in three years and whose résumé for this season includes a whopping 13 passes is pretty risky. I'm honestly not sure how anyone could legitimately argue otherwise.

                          3. He is not a free agent. He is currently under contract in Philadelphia.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Could Michael Vick be an option for St. Louis Rams?

                            The 13 passes attempted is worrying. Last season, the top amount of passes attempted per game was Seattle with 38.1. The least was the Jets with 23.9. The Rams had 33.9.

                            So how can we base Vick's performance on what isnt even a full game of throwing?
                            @EssexRam_

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                            • #15
                              Re: Could Michael Vick be an option for St. Louis Rams?

                              I ment to write, who is your option?

                              People say that Vick didn't play at philly. Kolb didn't play either. I am saying any other QB that could potentialy be the Rams Quarterback next season wouldn't have started over McNabb.

                              It is a tribute to Vick's atheltism that he was able to find a way on the field. Kolb couldn't take snaps away from McNabb. Vick did.

                              Vick will probably get waived or traded for next to nothing. He can't demand a high salary as his options are limited with many teams having already committed their money into a QB.

                              I disagree, and contend that he is low risk. His time in the media is over. If Philly can accept him in the media, the Lou can too. Its now about Tiger Woods and Gilbert Arenas. Time heals wounds.

                              Vick will be available for the Rams at a considerably cheap price for a starting NFL quarterback, no matter what salary you think.

                              Vick scored 3 touchdowns this season in 37 plays. I think he did a good job in Philly. I understand he will never be tops in the league in accuracy, but his athetic ability make up for some of that.

                              Because of his dogfighting sentence many people here personally don't like him. What more could he have done to prove he is sorry and truly happy to be playing in the NFL again.

                              Vick can fill a void for one year while we either develop a QB from round 2 or 3 or wait until next season to draft one in the first round.

                              I am open to other QB's as well, but you should be open to Vick.


                              Vick + Suh = More wins I know that

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                              • MauiRam
                                Vick would bring buzz to Rams
                                by MauiRam
                                Sports Columnist Bernie Miklasz
                                ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
                                01/17/2010

                                Michael Vick served 19 months in federal prison for his role in running an extremely cruel and heinous dogfighting ring. If you believe Vick deserves additional penalties, then imagine the punishment he'd receive by playing quarterback for the Rams.

                                It could happen, if the Philadelphia Eagles decide to release or trade Vick after deciding not to pick up his option for 2010. Vick was a part-time quarterback and designated wildcat-formation runner for the Eagles this season. Considering his long layoff and two years out of the game, Vick played pretty well. Moreover, Eagles coaches praised Vick's dedication and the positive changes he made in his life. But it would be costly to keep Vick as a backup, and Vick would prefer being a No. 1 quarterback elsewhere.

                                The Rams need a starting quarterback. The Rams need a lot of things, as evidenced by their 6-42 record and last-place NFL ranking in points scored over the last three seasons.

                                So yes, there is a fit. And there are some obvious connections in play here. Rams GM Billy Devaney was part of the Atlanta organization during Vick's career there and visited Vick in prison. Rams coach Steve Spagnuolo and offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur are former assistants to Eagles coach Andy Reid and they trust his judgment. If Reid recommends Vick, Spagnuolo will listen.

                                Vick may have other, more appealing, options. Several NFL teams are on the lookout for starting quarterbacks and Vick's stock is up after his positive experience in Philadelphia.

                                "I tried to be the best ambassador that I could be in the community," Vick told Philadelphia reporters. "And that won't stop. I'll continue to do that, and I'll continue to work hard."

                                If the Rams get the chance to land Vick, would the relationship work?

                                There's Vick, the quarterback. Would he be effective? And then there's Vick as a high-profile figure. Would Rams fans accept his arrival or be offended by his presence? Recently I set up an unscientific poll on my "Five Minutes" blog at STLtoday.com. I posed a simple question: Yes or no on Vick as the Rams' QB?

                                Of the 10,551 respondents, 62 percent were in favor of Vick becoming a Ram.

                                I've heard from Rams fans who insist they'll cancel their season tickets if Vick is signed. And there's little doubt the Rams would face some passionate, vociferous anti-Vick protests. But I've also heard from fans who say the addition of Vick would motivate them to keep their tickets. They're tired of the dull football and believe Vick would bring excitement to games.

                                Those opposing Vick probably would be more visible and louder than those who support him. Some of the initial anti-Vick sentiment would fade, just as it did in Philadelphia.

                                OK, now...
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                              • Alec22
                                Vick Lobbies for Trade to Rams...
                                by Alec22
                                Unsatisfied with trade offers for third-string quarterback Michael Vick, the Eagles paid out his $1.5 million roster bonus Tuesday.

                                Vick, meanwhile, wants to start in 2010 and went on a St. Louis radio station Tuesday to proclaim his desire to be traded to the Rams.

                                "I'm not saying it out of arrogance but out of confidence," Vick told WXOS-FM. "I think I can be the difference-maker on any team, especially a team like the St. Louis Rams, who need a lot of help and will get it based on their ownership and the general manager (Billy Devaney) they have who is a great guy and I know from Atlanta.

                                "I just think bringing the right pieces in, putting the right players in the proper positions and giving them the opportunity to win, I think premier players could turn any team around. Yeah, I'm confident I could do that. ...

                                "Me and Billy have a relationship that dates back to 2001-2002 and we were very close in Atlanta. We always talked, he always came and sat by me by my locker and he'd ask me what my thoughts were on certain things and we just always had open dialogue.

                                "I think the world of him, he's a great guy and he's been there for me throughout the last three years just communicating."

                                If Vick were to be a starting quarterback in 2010, according to the St. Louis Globe-Democrat, he easily could reach $2.75 million in incentives on top of his $3.75 million base salary.

                                Last week Vick said in a radio interview that he'd like to play for the Panthers, because they're close to his Virginia home and he'd get to face the Falcons twice a year. (He also likes their uniforms.)


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                                Have to say, im not opposed....

                                Give a 4th rounder and 6th for vick, draft suh...maybe not that bad...
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                                - - - Rams to Pursue Michael Vick! - - -
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                                "Several people in the NFL told me not to rule out St. Louis as a possible destination for Vick. The Rams might have some ownership issues to deal with before actually signing him, but they have genuine interest. They’ve been doing their due diligence on Vick, and if the Commissioner does reinstate him, look for them to actively pursue him. It makes sense — a new coach with an older quarterback who hasn’t played well. Playing in a dome on carpet would highlight Vick’s speed and athleticism. "

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                              • RamFan_Til_I_Die
                                Michael Vick playing prison football
                                by RamFan_Til_I_Die
                                NY Daily News
                                Gary Myers
                                Sunday, April 6th 2008, 12:16 AM

                                Michael Vick has a new job and is playing football again. The money is not quite the same and the records of the players are a bit different, too.

                                Falcons owner Arthur Blank has been communicating by letter with Vick, who is at the United States Penitentiary in Leavenworth, Kan., incarcerated at the facility's minimum security satellite prison camp.

                                Blank told the Daily News that Vick writes that he is washing pots and pans for 12 cents an hour. He was sentenced to 23 months in December after pleading guilty to federal dogfighting charges.

                                And in a scene straight out of the Longest Yard, Blank says Vick is playing football at Leavenworth. That's one way to pass his time and keep his arm loose. He's likely the first player picked when the inmates are choosing up sides or the guards are choosing up sides for them. Vick's sprinter speed surely comes in handy just in case a dog-loving inmate thinks it's cool to sack an NFL quarterback and break his shoulder.

                                "He is staying in shape,” Blank told The News. "Apparently, there was a prison football team and he played quarterback for both sides.”

                                That's only fair.

                                Blank, a Flushing product, says Vick wrote to him first and they've now opened a dialogue by mail. He also says that Kevin Winston, the Falcons' senior director of player development, has visited Vick several times in prison. Blank says he has no plans to visit Vick.

                                "He's written me a couple of times,” Blank said. "I've written him back, he's stayed in touch.”

                                Vick's life has taken quite a nosedive from his days as a superstar quarterback. He can be comforted financially by Judge David Doty's ruling in Minneapolis in February that he can keep $16.25 million of the $20 million in bonus money the Falcons were trying to recoup. The NFL is challenging the ruling.

                                Even if Blank feels betrayed by Vick, whom he signed to a 10-year, $130 million contract in 2004, he still clearly has a place in his heart for him, if not on his team.

                                "I just try to be supportive and as understanding as I can be,” Blank said. "He talks about the process he is going through and what he has learned, the lessons of life, how he's going to come out a different person. He's sorry he has affected so many people in a negative way — the league, our club, our fans. He feels awful about that. The letters sound quite sincere to me. From a mental standpoint, he sounds good.”

                                What does he write to Vick?

                                "I told Michael I'll do whatever I can to be helpful to him personally. Nothing to do with the Atlanta Falcons,” Blank said. "He's a human being and I would like to reach out and if I can be productive to him in some way, I would be happy to do that.

                                "I'd love to...
                                -04-06-2008, 03:19 PM
                              • RamWraith
                                Can Rams 'account' for Vick the second time around?
                                by RamWraith
                                BY JEFF GORDON
                                Post-Dispatch Online Sports Columnist
                                Tuesday, Jan. 11 2005

                                The last time the Rams played the Atlanta Falcons, they didn't get a real good
                                look at quarterback Michael Vick.

                                He darted around some defenders and outran others. He completed 14 of 19 passes
                                for 179 yards and a touchdown and he ran for another 109 yards on 12 carries.
                                The Rams hardly got a whiff of him.

                                Imagine Barry Sanders with a bit more speed and a cannon arm. That's Vick, a
                                man widely regarded as the best pure talent in the NFL.

                                "As an athlete, he is the best in the league, there is no question about that,"
                                Rams coach Mike Martz said during his Monday news conference. "The first thing
                                you need to do is account for him."


                                So how do they go about that during Saturday night's playoff game?

                                During his regular playoff segment on 1380 ESPN's morning show, former NFL
                                offensive lineman Mark Schlereth offered up an interesting suggestion: Don't
                                assign a defender to track his whereabouts.

                                "I don't believe you spy on this guy," Schlereth said, noting that a 300-pound
                                defensive lineman or a 250-pound linebacker isn't likely to take down Vick with
                                a one-on-one tackle anyway.

                                "How defensive coordinators come up with that garbage is beyond me," Schlereth
                                said.

                                Also, the ESPN analyst said, "I don't believe in keeping the integrity of your
                                rush lanes." By trying to merely contain Vick, he explained, tacklers play
                                tentatively. And this guy runs around tentative tacklers.


                                Schlereth suggested the entire Rams defensive unit ought to play Vick
                                aggressively and take its chances.

                                "Tampa Bay does that as well as anybody and they usually shut down Vick," he
                                said. Earlier this season, the Buccaneers held him to eight completions and 220
                                yards combined passing and rushing in one game, and just 196 combined yards
                                (with two interceptions and five sacks) in the other.

                                With that approach comes risk, of course. Vick is a big play waiting to happen.

                                "You have to understand that he's going to make three game-changing plays with
                                his feet," Schlereth said. "You just can't let the other stuff beat you."


                                Indeed, Vick is an average passer. He threw just 14 touchdown passes during the
                                regular season and 12 interceptions. His passer rating was just 78.1. He
                                clicked with tight end Alge Crumpler, but didn't get a whole lot done with his
                                wide receivers.

                                Teams that did get after Vick caused him to make mistakes. Vick fumbled 15
                                times, losing seven of them, and he suffered 46 sacks -- a stunning...
                                -01-12-2005, 05:49 AM
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