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    Back in '07 Russell and Quinn were regarded as the top 2 QB's in the draft. Some mocks had them both going in the top 3, others had them going in the top 10. But as we all saw, Quinn slipped into the 20s and was drafted as the Browns traded up to get him. I feel that this years top QB's Bradford and Clausen could possibly find themselves in a somewhat similar boat. So my questions are:

    Which one of those two do you think would have a high chance of sliding on draft day?

    Is there one of them that you would be willing to trade up back into the 1st to acquire, much like the Browns did in 07?

    and

    Where would you be willing to trade up to to ensure that you could draft one (ex. trading up to 20, 25, 27 etc.)?

    Thoughts?

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    I think Bradford is more likely to drop given his health concerns. If he does not look 100% when he works out, teams may shy away from him.

    If this were to occur, but Bradford's doctors were confident that he'll be 100% by training camp, I'd trade up from #33 to #20 if he were still on the board.

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    • #3
      Re: QB Scenario in Draft

      Originally posted by AvengerRam View Post
      If this were to occur, but Bradford's doctors were confident that he'll be 100% by training camp, I'd trade up from #33 to #20 if he were still on the board.
      That's a scenario I'm certainly hoping and praying for. Suh at #1 then trade up for Bradford would mean an A++ draft in my eyes. However, given the amount of time Bradford has had to rehab his injury, unless he has a huge setback he should be medically cleared prior to the draft. Whether he is able to fully workout and show scouts he can make all the NFL throws is another issue.

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      • #4
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        How interested are the Redskins in Bradford at the moment? I remember reading that Bradford's doctor is also the Redskin's team doctor. If the Redskins are interested in him, then I don't see them passing on him especially since they have extra insight to his injury situation. However, if they are interested in him but feel his rehab isn't going that well and decide to pass on him...then I could see him slip really far. Other teams would likely pass on him too then, if his own doctor doesn't feel he's ready.

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        • #5
          Re: QB Scenario in Draft

          I think that the one to fall would be Bradford. However, ike itwas said before, the Redskins probably have Bradford high on their boards, and i don't expecto see Campbell back next year. I think the biggest problem wwould face intrading up isthat the Seahaks picktwice at 6 and 16 (I think) and can't see thempassing ona QB twice inthe first round.

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          • AvengerRam_old
            Sam Bradford is the true "Wild Card" for the Rams first choice.
            by AvengerRam_old
            Last year at about this time, I suggested that, by the time the draft rolled around, Mark Sanchez could be on the Rams short list of players to select with the second pick in the draft. Many scoffed and, truth be told, even I was a bit uncertain with my prognostication. Of course, in the end, Sanchez rose from late first round prospect and became a top 5 pick on the strength of his workouts and interviews.

            I can see a similar scenario occurring with Sam Bradford.

            Last year, before Bradford decided to return to Oklahoma, many had him rated as a potential first pick in the draft. Then, as fate would have it, his season was scuttled by a shoulder injury.

            Now, he is still considered a top 10 pick by most, but there are question marks.

            So here are the "what ifs."

            What if the doctors say he is fine and that there should be no long term impact from his shoulder injury?

            What if he impresses at the Combine and/or his individual workouts?

            What if he presents as a confident leader in his interviews?

            If these things happen, the Rams very well could decide that the time is now to take a chance at drafting a potential franchise QB.

            If that occurs, there will still be decisions to make. The Rams could, of course, simply select Bradford first. Alternatively, they could smokescreen a desire to take Ndamukong Suh and try to trade down. The logical trade partner would be Tampa, who likely would covet Suh, and would not take QB with the first choice (having spent a first round pick last year on a QB). Such a plan would not be foolproof, though. If, as some have speculated, the Redskins want Bradford, they could trade up with Detroit and take him at #2, thereby leaving the Rams to take who? (G.McCoy? Clausen?).

            I'll leave the trade issue out of the analysis for now and simply say this.

            Right now, I see Suh as being a prospect who is extremely likely (say 75%) to be an impact player at a very important position.

            Right now, I see Bradford as being a prospect who has a decent chance (say 40-50%) to be an impact player at the MOST important position.

            With those odds, I go with Suh (absent a great trade offer).

            But if Bradford's stock rises, and I start to see him as having a better than 50% chance of being a franchise QB... then the choice becomes very difficult.

            Bottom line: we're in the first lap of a multi-lap race. Its way too early to call the winner.
            -02-02-2010, 09:03 AM
          • Lesson
            Is Bradford better then Mallet?
            by Lesson
            I see the 2011 Draft Class seems to have better QBs, Mallet and Locker. Is Bradford better than Mallet?
            -04-03-2010, 11:35 PM
          • AvengerRam_old
            If the Rams trade the first pick, it will go down like this...
            by AvengerRam_old
            I don't know if the Rams will trade the first pick. While they may wish to, there's no guarantee that any team will offer fair trade value.

            That said, if it does happens, there are two things I am confident about:

            1. It won't happen before draft day; and

            2. We'll know its coming before draft day.

            Here's what I'm thinking. If the Rams want Ndamukong Suh, they will almost certainly sign him before draft day. That is one very big advantage of having the first pick, after all, as you can sign your choice in advance and eliminate any concern over a holdout.

            If draft day arrives and the Rams have not signed anyone, then I think that will be a clear sign that a trade is on the table. The way I see it, the Rams are most likely to entertain a trade if they wish to select Sam Bradford as their first pick. That stated, I don't think the Rams can make the trade in advance for that purpose. Here's why:

            Detroit, who holds the No. 2 pick, is an unlikely trade partner. In all likelihood, they will simply take Gerald McCoy, rather than giving up draft picks to get Suh.

            Tampa, who holds the No. 3 pick, is a likely trade partner. They, in all likelihood, covet a player like Suh (who could become their next Warren Sapp, without the pot cloud over his head), and have an extra second round pick to offer as part of a trade.

            The Rams, however, can't afford to make a pre-draft trade with the Bucs. The reason: Washington. There are reports that Washington is very interested in Bradford, and I have little doubt that Dan Snyder would trade up to No. 2 if he thinks the Rams are planning to take Bradford at No. 3.

            So, if draft day arrives and the Rams have not made a trade or signed a player, it is likely that the reason would be that Rams have worked out a trade with Tampa that is contingent on Bradford still being on the board at No. 3 (i.e. the Redskins don't trade up in anticipation of a St. Louis/Tampa deal). If he's not, the Rams keep either keep Suh (but, of course, lose the opportunity to sign him in advance), or complete the trade and select someone else at No. 3 (G.McCoy, J.Clausen, D.Bryant, C.J.Spiller, E.Berry are all possibilities under that scenario).

            Of course, there is another possibility. Washington could work out a trade with Detriot before the draft, and thereby force the Rams to either select Bradford at No. 1 or let him go to the Skins. Such a move, however, would be risky for the Redskins, because, assuming the Rams "fall in love" with Bradford in the next two months, they might just take him at No. 1.

            In the end, there could be some drama on draft night....
            -02-09-2010, 09:16 AM
          • THOLTFAN81
            10 Questions pertaining to the off-season.
            by THOLTFAN81
            1. Should the Rams cut Marc Bulger if they are unable to trade him?
            Yes or No?

            2. Should the Rams attempt to acquire Michael Vick via trade?
            Yes or No?

            3. Should the Rams draft Sam Bradford if all is well during his pro day, and his medical report is great?
            Yes or No?

            4. Should the Rams take a mid-round flier on Mike Williams?
            Yes or No?

            5. Do you think Ndamukong Suh is the pick no matter what Bradford does at his pro day?
            Yes or No?

            6. Do you think Jimmy Clausen has any chance of being drafted first overall?
            Yes or No?

            7. Who do you think is the biggest sleeper in this years draft?

            8. Should the Rams attempt to acquire a "big-name" free agent this off-season?

            9. More likely: Rams take Bradford first overall or Rams trade down?

            10. Is poop-canning a real word?
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            -02-28-2010, 11:13 PM
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            Rams Could Trade Down Not Once, But Twice
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            by Brian Stull
            While the smokescreen of who Billy Devaney is and isn't talking with continues to thicken, here's a plan to consider as the Rams weigh their options with the number one pick...
            Trading down not just once, but twice.
            It's more realistic than you might think and the Rams could still stay in the top four.
            Most people have assumed that Detroit is going to use the second overall pick to choose Russell Okung (T) out of Oklahoma State to shore up their offensive line and offer some protection for Mathew Stafford.
            Not a bad train of thought--but are the Lions good enough to pass on a Ndamukong Suh or Gerald McCoy to bolster their defense??
            If you're Tampa, you can't take that chance. If you want to guarantee that you receive one of the two top defensive tackles you have to trade up--and if you're going to trade, why not go to the top and ensure you have first choice.
            So, the Rams and Bucs work out a deal to swap 1st and 3rd overall picks with whatever other pick/player combo balances it out.
            You now have Washington at number four--rumored to be interested in Sam Bradford. Detroit and Tampa both have their young QBs of the future, so there is no concern there. However, even if the Rams sign a veteran free agent, can the Redskins be sure the Rams won't select Bradford at #3??
            No. So again, Washington needs to work a trade and the Rams can acquire additional picks/players while staying near the top of the draft.
            Now, you may say that's fine--but if Suh, McCoy, and Bradford are all off the board who's left for the Rams at #4 in this scenario??
            Lots of options here--talks are ongoing, but a long-term deal with Oshiomogho Atogwe has yet to be reached and Eric Berry is not just a top-rated safety, but a top player overall in the draft. CJ Spiller would be a heck of combo teaming with Steven Jackson.
            Dez Bryant and all of the wide receivers would be available. Jimmy Clausen, who does have some support at Rams Park, would be on the table.
            It comes back to answering this question--would the Rams be better with one player forecast to be a can't miss game-changer or by acquiring a handful of very good players that can address the many needs on the team.
            Looking forward to the scenarios that develop this week at the Combine, will keep you posted on what is--and isn't being talked about.


            Personally if this were possible I'd trade twice but after alll odds are against this...
            -02-24-2010, 01:16 PM
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