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    Mike Mayock: Ndamukong Suh and Gerald McCoy are, by far, the two best players
    By Tom Kowalski
    January 22, 2010, 1:55PM

    ALLEN PARK -- Mike Mayock, the highly regarded draft analyst from the NFL Network, had a conference call today with the media and he made it clear that he believes defensive tackles Ndamukong Suh (Nebraska) and Gerald McCoy (Oklahoma) are the two best players available in the draft.

    The Detroit Lions have the second overall pick in the draft and are likely to end up with either Suh and McCoy. Mayock said he believes the two players have different skills but are equally as valuable.

    Mayock said Suh reminds him of a Kevin Williams (Minnesota Vikings) but might be even better. Mayock believes Suh is a little stronger in the run game while McCoy is a better pass rusher. However, the differences are small and both players offer the complete package.

    I asked Mayock if there's any chance that a quarterback could move into that first overall pick and he said it was highly doubtful.

    "I think it's a big reach,'' Mayock said. "The logical guy is (Oklahoma's Sam) Bradford. I'm not a big (Jimmy) Clausen fan. No way in the world in my mind -that's today, I've still got a lot more work to do on Bradford. Those two players (Suh and McCoy) just dwarf the quarterback issue.''
    He's basically enforcing what I've thought all along. Unless we trade down, there is no way I can see it being justified if we select a QB with the first overall pick.

  • #2
    Re: Mayock calls taking QB #1 a 'big reach'

    amen to that

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    • #3
      Re: Mayock calls taking QB #1 a 'big reach'

      Originally posted by Mayock
      I'm not a big (Jimmy) Clausen fan.
      I wonder what it is about Clausen that he's sour on?
      The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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      • #4
        Re: Mayock calls taking QB #1 a 'big reach'

        Very interesting, to say the least.

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        • #5
          Re: Mayock calls taking QB #1 a 'big reach'

          He's right we can't take a chance on a QB with a guy like Suh in this draft.

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          • #6
            Re: Mayock calls taking QB #1 a 'big reach'

            Kiper= Idiot
            McShay= Even Bigger Idiot
            Mayock= Not an idiot

            Mayock one of the better guys at breaking down tape and evaluating talent IMO. At this point it is still really early, but if there is anyone on t.v's opinion I would trust its Mayock.

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            • #7
              Re: Mayock calls taking QB #1 a 'big reach'

              N. Suh: 12 Sacks

              G. McCoy: 6 Sacks

              What am I missing? I'm not saying I know more than Mayock, but is there any particular reason Suh has double the sacks of McCoy and yet McCoy is a better pass rusher?

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              • #8
                Re: Mayock calls taking QB #1 a 'big reach'

                I would have to agree with his sentiments. With the #1 pick, you need to pick BPA unless you have the position already filled with a long time starter. We don't have a long term solution at DT, so Suh has to be the pick.

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                • #9
                  Re: Mayock calls taking QB #1 a 'big reach'

                  I agree with Mayock: as footballsfuture.com said, "Finding an answer at QB is needed, but reaching for one at this spot could set the team back another five years. Taking Suh and adding him to the other talent on the defensive line could help take the defense up a notch."

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                  • #10
                    Re: Mayock calls taking QB #1 a 'big reach'

                    I thought I posted this last night..but apparently I didn't. I think the reason Mayock said what he said was that Suh simply dominated people with his power in college. He won't be able to do that in the pros. He certainly has the potential and ability to further develop that skill set, but right now, McCoys pass rush skills are further developed as it related to transitioning into the NFL

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                    • #11
                      Re: Mayock calls taking QB #1 a 'big reach'

                      Originally posted by DetLionsFan View Post
                      I thought I posted this last night..but apparently I didn't. I think the reason Mayock said what he said was that Suh simply dominated people with his power in college. He won't be able to do that in the pros. He certainly has the potential and ability to further develop that skill set, but right now, McCoys pass rush skills are further developed as it related to transitioning into the NFL
                      Which is why Suh had twice as many sack this year?

                      Seriously, where do people get this stuff?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Mayock calls taking QB #1 a 'big reach'

                        Originally posted by AvengerRam View Post
                        Which is why Suh had twice as many sack this year?

                        Seriously, where do people get this stuff?
                        Suh had twice as many sacks because he was able to use his size and speed to just run opposing offensive lineman over. He won't be able to do that at the next level.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Mayock calls taking QB #1 a 'big reach'

                          Originally posted by DetLionsFan View Post
                          Suh had twice as many sacks because he was able to use his size and speed to just run opposing offensive lineman over. He won't be able to do that at the next level.
                          I wouldn't be so sure. It's not like Big XII offensive lines are bereft of NFL talent.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Mayock calls taking QB #1 a 'big reach'

                            Originally posted by DetLionsFan View Post
                            Suh had twice as many sacks because he was able to use his size and speed to just run opposing offensive lineman over. He won't be able to do that at the next level.
                            If you've watched him play you'd know that isn't true. I've seen him use inside and outside moves, and a wicked spin move. He also uses his hands better than any college DT I've ever seen.

                            I think maybe you just want the Rams to pass on him so he'l fall to the Lions.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Mayock calls taking QB #1 a 'big reach'

                              I agree Suh and I think D.Alexander in round 2.

                              He is going to be flying up draft boards and we should not let him get by there.

                              The more I think about it he may be a 1st rounder. The only good thing for us is that a lot of teams went WR round 1 last season and may not want to do this again late in round 1.

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                              • Nick
                                DTs Suh, McCoy have ability to go No. 1 in draft
                                by Nick
                                DTs Suh, McCoy have ability to go No. 1 in draftFeb. 27, 2010
                                By Chad Reuter
                                NFLDraftScout.com
                                Tell Chad your opinion!

                                INDIANAPOLIS -- It's rare that a pair of defensive tackles get as much attention at the combine as the elite quarterbacks. Then again, Nebraska's Ndamukong Suh and Oklahoma's Gerald McCoy are rare talents.

                                Suh and McCoy are likely rated higher on many teams' boards than quarterbacks Sam Bradford (Oklahoma) and Jimmy Clausen (Notre Dame), a rarity in today's offense-happy NFL.

                                The St. Louis Rams and Detroit Lions have the top two picks, and could use McCoy and Suh on their porous defenses. But two questions remain:

                                Who is better? And is either worth taking in the top two selections?

                                Neither question is easily answered. Suh said on Saturday that he would be happy for his "good friend" McCoy if he went No. 1. But he added that he'd "definitely be disappointed with myself not getting it. I'm a competitor. I want to be No. 1. So that's what I'm going to strive for."

                                That attitude is just one of the reason teams like his game. But despite Suh finishing fourth in the Heisman voting (85 tackles, 24 for loss, 12 sacks) while riding the wave of a dominant performance against Texas in the Big 12 Championship Game, McCoy will be ranked higher on some boards because of his ability to explode into the backfield as a three-technique. His quick first step especially works well in a one-gap system where he is full-go from the snap.

                                Because he redshirted, McCoy could have entered the draft after the 2008 season and been a first-round pick. But there was little doubt after an All-American junior year (15.5 tackles for loss, six sacks) that he would take his game to the NFL. After McCoy made his decision to leave school early, Sooners head coach Bob Stoops said: "I've never been associated with a young man who was any more impressive than Gerald." That's pretty high praise, even coming from a head coach.

                                Suh can play any position on the line but is not quite as explosive off the snap. His strength and motor allow him to be extremely effective pressuring the passer (he had 26 quarterback hurries along with those 12 sacks), although there is some concern that NFL interior linemen won't give in as easily as college linemen did to his bull rush. Still, his exceptional stamina, manhandling of opponents using strong, quick hands that added to his length and closing speed make him a likely star in the NFL.

                                Suh said Oklahoma's scheme allowed McCoy to display his explosiveness more than Bo Pelini's scheme at Nebraska. The hesitation off the snap could very well be indicative of his need to handle multiple responsibilities in the Huskers defense.

                                "We played two different defenses, in my opinion. His defense was more or less, he had the freedom to...
                                -02-28-2010, 02:10 PM
                              • rob6465
                                Monster D-tackles Suh, McCoy could emerge as NFL No. 1 pick
                                by rob6465
                                No links!!!
                                -03-11-2010, 07:34 AM
                              • r8rh8rmike
                                OU's McCoy A Better Fit For Rams
                                by r8rh8rmike
                                OU’s McCoy a better fit for Rams

                                By Michael Silver, Yahoo! Sports
                                10 hours, 59 minutes ago


                                INDIANAPOLIS – Because he has an exceptionally cool name – and some serious game – Ndamukong Suh would be an outstanding choice as the No. 1 overall pick of the 2010 NFL draft.


                                But when Roger Goodell reveals the first pick to a primetime TV audience on April 22, my prediction is that the NFL commissioner will have a much easier name to pronounce. In all likelihood, he’ll be announcing that the St. Louis Rams have selected a different defensive tackle who terrorized the Big 12 conference: Oklahoma’s Gerald McCoy


                                There are logical reasons for this, many of which I will detail shortly. But the best and most succinct one was verbalized by an NFC general manager I talked to at Thursday’s NFL scouting combine: “McCoy is the better player.”


                                Obviously, this GM’s opinion isn’t absolute. Beauty is in the eye of the potentially creepy beholder, and a lot can happen in the two months between the NFL’s annual meat market and the most hyped employee-allocation meeting in modern American industry.


                                But in numerous conversations this week with people who know talent – several of whom are familiar with Rams coach Steve Spagnuolo’s mindset – I’ve gotten the unequivocal impression that the prospect of St. Louis taking McCoy is very real. For all the hype about Suh and McCoy’s Sooners teammate, former Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback Sam Bradford, it’s this big, explosive, high-effort inside pass-rushing threat who stands out as the probable top pick.


                                “Think about the situation [Spagnuolo’s] in,” one high-level front-office employee for an AFC team said Wednesday. “He went 1-15 in his first season, and now there’s a new owner coming in. The guy is coaching for his job, possibly his career. He needs to win now or they could all get fired.


                                “That means he has to take the player who’ll make the biggest impact right now. You think he’s gonna trust that a quarterback can come in and do that as a rookie? I don’t think so. What he knows is defense, and the scheme he knows is the 4-3. And of the two tackles, the guy who makes the most sense for that scheme is definitely McCoy.”


                                A 6-foot-4, 298-pound menace in the middle, McCoy has been said to resemble Kevin Williams, the Minnesota Vikings’ perennial All-Pro defensive tackle. He’s a strong, relentless, athletic player who has a penchant for blasting through and past defenders and terrorizing quarterbacks. One scout I talked to thought the Williams comparison didn’t go far enough.


                                “Kevin Williams?” the scout scoffed. “To me, he’s Warren Sapp, only bigger and stronger.” (Sapp’s response, via text message: “LMAO!”)


                                The skepticism is understandable: Sapp, a future Hall of Famer, was one...
                                -02-26-2010, 08:41 PM
                              • AvengerRam_old
                                McCoy continues to annoy
                                by AvengerRam_old
                                The one comment (which I've read from a handful of fans and a couple of analysts) that I just don't get is the suggestion that Gerald McCoy should be taken before Ndamukong Suh.

                                Based on what?

                                Go and look up their stats (I've posted them before and I don't have the time of patience to pull them again). Its not even close. Suh's production is essentially double that of McCoy.

                                And what's the context of these stats? Two guys who play in the same conference against the same competition level. Two guys who are close to the same size.

                                I've heard some try to argue that McCoy has better technique. I don't see it. From what I've seen, Suh has great technique for a college player. But, even if McCoy had better technique, SUH DOUBLED HIS PRODUCTION! Imagine how Suh could produce if his technique develops further.

                                If the Rams ultimately decide that they need to take a QB with the first pick, I'll be disappointed, but at least I'd understand the thinking. After all, if that pick were to turn into a franchise QB, nobody would argue with it in the long run. Similarly, if the Rams trade down, I'll have misgivings, but I'd understand the logic.

                                I'll tell you this, though. If the Rams stay a pick No. 1 and take McCoy over Suh, you will hear a loud sound coming from the Southeast United States.

                                It will be me screaming "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!"
                                -01-26-2010, 07:25 AM
                              • xkidflowx
                                Colt Mccoy + Suh..
                                by xkidflowx
                                WHAT IF... we had drafted Suh.. then colt mccoy in the 2nd.. do you think we would have been a better team? because me and my friends had a arguement and me defending bradford. My point was that, Bradford was the best thing that can ever happen to any organziation.

                                their point.. Colt Mccoy is the REAL DEAL and SUH is the real deal....

                                So let me hear your guys thoughts!
                                -11-30-2010, 01:56 PM
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