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    I am not going to lie, I was one of those who wanted Gholston over Long..thank god we didnt go that way.

    However I was reading up on something the Jets might let him go..If s should we seek after him, I feel like he still has a lot of potential....Could be a nice addition to our OLB group

    LB Vernon Gholston’s future with the team is uncertain even though the team still owes him nearly $11 million in guaranteed money. Gholston has no sacks in 29 career games. Some in the organization are ready to move on, especially if 2010 is an uncapped year and the club can absorb the salary cap hit.

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    It depends...

    If Gholston could be had for a minimal price then, sure, why not take a chance on him?

    If he still looks at himself as a top prospect and wants to be paid as one, then I'd pass.

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      Originally posted by 3STL9 View Post
      I am not going to lie, I was one of those who wanted Gholston over Long..thank god we didnt go that way.

      However I was reading up on something the Jets might let him go..If s should we seek after him, I feel like he still has a lot of potential....Could be a nice addition to our OLB group
      I'd take a look at him, but as a DE, not OLB. I think that was part of his problem. He had success putting his hand in the ground at OSU, then the Jets stand him up. From what I've read, he's not exactly a scholar. So, keep it simple for him. Let him play DE so he doesn't have to deal with coverages like OLBs (except for those odd zone blitz packages that require the DE to fall back into coverage; and yes, I know Jauron has had success with them elsewhere, but man I hate those packages......but I digress).

      Keep it simple........point him towards the QB and let him go.
      The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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      • #4
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        maybe that could work long and ghoston for years to come on either side...esp if gholston pans out

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        • #5
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          Originally posted by HUbison View Post
          I'd take a look at him, but as a DE, not OLB. I think that was part of his problem. He had success putting his hand in the ground at OSU, then the Jets stand him up. From what I've read, he's not exactly a scholar. So, keep it simple for him. Let him play DE so he doesn't have to deal with coverages like OLBs (except for those odd zone blitz packages that require the DE to fall back into coverage; and yes, I know Jauron has had success with them elsewhere, but man I hate those packages......but I digress).

          Keep it simple........point him towards the QB and let him go.
          I completely agree. I'm surprised the Jets didn't try to stick him at DE and see what happened. I wouldn't pay top dollar for him however, but if he's willing to take a reasonable salary then sure.

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            Originally posted by Bralidore(RAMMODE) View Post
            I completely agree. I'm surprised the Jets didn't try to stick him at DE and see what happened. I wouldn't pay top dollar for him however, but if he's willing to take a reasonable salary then sure.

            Well, with them playing a 3-4, he wouldn't do much good as an end.


            I agree about bringing him in as an end in our defense though. I think he has the speed to burn tackles off the edge, and if his coverage responsibilities are limited he may be able to perform better.

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            • #7
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              He is in the enigma .... in the NBA you may say he is a 'tweener.


              He may be worth it for a cheap price as a rushing DE if we could get him early and bulk him up.

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                Originally posted by richtree View Post
                He is in the enigma .... in the NBA you may say he is a 'tweener.


                He may be worth it for a cheap price as a rushing DE if we could get him early and bulk him up.
                If I remember correctly, at the time of the draft there was speculation that he was maxed-out bulk wise. From the pictures at the time, he looked like a WWE wrestler. 260 I think is what they listed him.

                Always looked like a purely passrush DE in a 4-3 to me.

                As for acquiring him if he is released, I am sure there would be some competition for him. Seems like the perfect reclamation project for the Patriots, except don't they use a 3-4?

                If he's intriguing, the RAMs may want to consider doing a Tye Hill type deal that allows the Jets to get "anything" in return. What'd the Rams get for Hill, a 7th, and they ate the portion of his contract that they would have to eat anyhow had they released him. If the Jets have to eat the remainder of his quaranteed money, 11M, perhaps his remaining salary is palatable enough for taking a flyer on him without losing him to someone else.

                The Rams can certainly use a young pass rusher and a DE.

                Long, Suh, Ryan, Gholston?
                Last edited by Richbert88; -01-26-2010, 10:05 AM.
                Semper Fi!

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                • #9
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                  i cant see how getting him for cheap could hurt. Try him out as a pure pass rushing DE, see how he gets on.
                  @EssexRam_

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                  • #10
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                    It seems that the D lineman we have given up on have been playing pretty well. DLew, Pickett, Kennedy. Maybe it's our turn to get someone's hand me downs and make it fit.

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                    • #11
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                      Makes you wonder what the asking price would be. He's severely underperformed as a 3-4 OLB, but if you're the Jets, you have to get something decent having just drafted the guy not too long ago.

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                      • #12
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                        I dont see how the Jets can ask for too much seeing as the guy has gotten less than 50 tackles in two years with no sacks and interceptions...

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                        • #13
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                          I can't see them asking for alot either. But there are 31 other teams and this is the RAMs. The only way to guarantee a RAM flyer on this guy is to trade for him. Perhaps a 7th and Linehans notes on successfull coaching.
                          Semper Fi!

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                            I want him!

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                            • #15
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                              Originally posted by Richbert88 View Post
                              I can't see them asking for alot either. But there are 31 other teams and this is the RAMs. The only way to guarantee a RAM flyer on this guy is to trade for him. Perhaps a 7th and Linehans notes on successfull coaching.
                              That would be offering the JETS way to much. Maybe Linehans notes on successfull coaching and an 8th round pick.
                              sigpic :ram::helmet:

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                              • Ram Mar Ram
                                Vernon Gholston
                                by Ram Mar Ram
                                He didnt play upto his top billing, but he is a great athlete and some blame can be dumped on NY Jets, they tried to convert him to OLB, didnt work out, Moved him back to the line, and and really stunted his potential.

                                He could be a bust . no doubt about it. but that cant be determined until he's played in a stable role on a 4-3 defense, for which he excelled. the 3-4 defense obviously wasnt a fit and the Jets knew it only using him sparingly this year.

                                I think you can fill a need on the Line, and at worst add decent depth, but id put my money on him doing well if he gets put on a 4-3 defense where they say from day 1, your place is DE, with some good coaching and a little polish. Would be a bargain.
                                -03-02-2011, 05:52 PM
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                                V is for Virile V. Gholston
                                by Guest
                                I saw this and thought it was good!

                                but long


                                'V' is for virile

                                Vernon Gholston has developed from football neophyte to powerful force on the field — and a likely top-10 pick

                                By Eric Edholm
                                March 20, 2008


                                The following article is featured content from the 2008 Draft Guide, PFW's annual magazine that features scouting reports on more than 350 players, draft analyses for all 32 teams and rankings of the prospects by position. The magazine is on sale at newsstands and bookstores throughout the country, and it can be purchased at PFWstore.com.


                                Vernon Gholston

                                Years from now they might tell the story, a la Michael Jordan, as inspiration of the hard-to-believe variety.
                                Ohio State’s Vernon Gholston, soon to be a top-10 draft pick, was kicked off his high school football team. For not being tough enough.

                                Keep that in mind when you look at his impossibly sculpted and sinewy frame, now almost fully developed at 6-foot-4 and 264 pounds of mostly rock. That comes from his countless hours spent in the weight room, dating back to his freshman year at Detroit’s Cass Tech High School when head football coach Thomas Wilcher spotted the quiet Gholston — then 14 years old — wandering the halls. He was 6-foot-2, already weighing more than 200 pounds.

                                “I thought he was a parent,” Wilcher said. “He had his books in one hand and his Bible in the other. I asked him if he was looking for his son or his little brother.”

                                “And he was here for academics, not football,” Cass defensive coordinator Charleston Fobbs said. “We’re a test-taking school. You have to apply to get in here.”

                                Gholston eventually convinced Wilcher he was indeed in the ninth grade, but not before Wilcher received confirmation from Gholston’s teacher. After that, it didn’t take long for Wilcher to convince him he should be playing football. Gholston had never played organized sports but had started weightlifting a little in his basement. He was looking for a passion in his life, something he hadn’t had since his father had died when Gholston was in the eighth grade.

                                “One of the biggest things that I took from him before he passed away was he told me, whatever I do, just try to be the best at it. Even if it’s being a bum — be the best bum out there. That’s something I tried to bring to football,” Gholston said.

                                Gholston’s early days as a player were rough-cut. Wilcher started him out at offensive guard — “A guard who runs a 4.5 (40-yard dash) and is 6-foot-3 and 220 pounds,” Wilcher said with a hearty laugh. “He was just strong, that’s it. I knew he could block somebody and go straight ahead. That’s all we asked him to do.”

                                “He didn’t know what an A-gap was when he showed up,” Fobbs added.

                                But Wilcher knew that kind of talent had to be on defense,...
                                -03-27-2008, 08:35 PM
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                                Vernon Gholston Godlike
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                                -03-26-2008, 05:14 PM
                              • evil disco man
                                How good is Gholston? Just ask Michigan's Long
                                by evil disco man
                                How good is Gholston? Just ask Michigan's Long
                                April 14, 2008
                                By Clark Judge
                                CBSSports.com Senior Writer

                                So now it's Michigan's Jake Long who has the Miami Dolphins' interest, and it's easy to see why. He's a premier left tackle who was beaten for one sack his senior season.

                                That's right, one.

                                And the guy who beat him? Well, he's on the Dolphins' radar, too. That would be Ohio State defensive end Vernon Gholston, and I can't think of another prospect who climbed NFL Draft boards more quickly since the end of the season.

                                Once Gholston was a first-round pick. Then he was a top 10 choice. Now, he's a possible top five pick, with Miami not out of the question.

                                It's not just that he can play defensive end or outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense. He's the best pure pass rusher in this draft, producing a school-record 14 sacks last season, including three against arch-rival Michigan.

                                Oh, yeah, and that one against Long.

                                "I just waited for the right moment," he said. "It was nothing special."

                                Actually, it was. Until that game, Long had surrendered just one sack in his career at Ann Arbor, and, the way he tells the story, that was way back in his redshirt year. Long was supposed to be impenetrable, but Gholston had no trouble solving him ... or anyone else for that matter.

                                "That was a big battle for me," he said of his game against Long. "Going back to the previous year, he was tough competition. He kicked back in pass protection, and it was tough for me to get around him.

                                "So, coming into the game, I really focused on that and learned some new techniques to get better hands on him, and it worked."


                                Chad Henne had a tough time avoiding Vernon Gholston last November. (Getty Images)

                                It's appropriate that Long's only sack belonged to Gholston because, outside of Virginia's Chris Long, there isn't a better defensive end in this year's draft. Gholston has rare strength for a defensive end, able to bench press 475 pounds, and he's explosive, relentless and disruptive.

                                He also has all the measurables you're looking for in a player at the position. At the February scouting combine, Gholston ran a 4.65 40 and benched 225 pounds 37 times, tying -- who else? -- Jake Long for the best performance.

                                That was impressive. But then he ran a 4.58 and had a 42-inch vertical leap at his pro workout, and suddenly Gholston's name started appearing no lower than sixth on most mock draft boards.

                                "When I look at him," said one AFC player personnel director, "I see Carl Banks. I guarantee he has double-digit sacks his rookie year."

                                Maybe. But if there's a knock on the Big Ten Defensive Lineman of the Year it's consistency. You already know what...
                                -04-15-2008, 04:25 AM
                              • evil disco man
                                Sack master will visit Rams
                                by evil disco man
                                Sack master will visit Rams
                                By Jim Thomas
                                ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
                                04/13/2008

                                Fear not, Rams fans, Ohio State defensive end Vernon Gholston says he can cure what ails the St. Louis pass rush.

                                "If you guys had 5 1/2 sacks last year, I'm definitely going to add to that," Gholston said.

                                Sadly, 5 1/2 sacks was the combined total for all the defensive ends on the team's roster last season.

                                "I had 14 this past year, and I'm looking to increase that," he said.

                                Gholston's sack total tied for third in the nation last season and set a school record. The Detroit native then turned pro a year early, and he arrives Sunday in St. Louis for a pre-draft visit with the Rams.


                                Vernon Gholston's (top) draft stock keeps rising as his workouts were impressive for pro scouts. He has a knack for the sack as the defensive end had 14 in '07 for Ohio State.
                                (Neal C. Lauron/Columbus Dispatch MCT)


                                He will be joined Sunday by Michigan offensive tackle Jake Long, Virginia defensive end Chris Long, and Louisiana State defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey. Unlike that trio, Gholston wasn't considered a consensus top five pick in January after the college season ended. He is now.

                                Gholston's impressive workouts have helped vault him from top 15 status to a player who conceivably could be taken No. 1 overall by the Miami Dolphins. Gholston always has liked working out, from his teenage days at Cass Tech in Detroit.

                                "I'm big on being physical, being strong and being tough," Gholston said. "That's what kind of brought me into football."

                                More specifically, Gholston was walking down the halls of Cass Tech between classes one day when football coach Thomas Wilcher approached.

                                "He thought I was a parent at the school, trying to pick up one of my kids," Gholston recalled. "I don't know if he was serious or not. I told him I was actually a student, and he had a shocked look on his face. He asked me if I ever thought about playing football, and I told him not really."

                                Then a freshman, Gholston had never played organized football. But one thing led to another, and he was on the team as a sophomore. Now, after just three seasons of high school ball and three seasons of college ball (not counting a redshirt year in 2005 because of a broken hand), Gholston finds himself near the top of the NFL draft list.

                                "I started kind of late (in football) compared to everybody else, some would say," he said. "The biggest thing about me is once I put my mind to something, I fully commit to it. That's part of the reason I took this quarter off (at Ohio State), because I really wanted to focus on football."

                                Make no mistake, Gholston has been on a whirlwind pace since the Buckeyes' BCS championship...
                                -04-13-2008, 02:12 AM
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