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    Free Agency(Uncapped Year)

    O.J. Otogwe, FS, Rams- Great Playmakers are hard to find you have to keep them when you have one


    Ben Watson, TE, Patriots- Hands are iffy at times, but when he does hold on he is a playmaker. He wasn't really used in the pats system, but we could really use him here.


    Lito Sheppard, CB, Jets- With a huge Bonus coming Sheppard will be released. He isn't the player he was when Spags was coaching, but he will get a shot here. He will step in until Fletcher is good to go then he will move to the nickel.


    Chad Pennington, QB, Dolphins- Cheaper version of Bulger.


    Antwan Barnes, OLB, Ravens(RFA)- Ravens are deep at LB, and at times weren't high on Barnes, so they'll let him go. Barnes is hard hitter and good pass rusher and would be a good fit at SLB.


    Zach Strief, OT, Saints
    (RFA)-
    There RT Stinchcomb is signed long term. They will focus on retaining Bushrod and Jamal Brown their 2 options at LT. Strief is a massive Tackle and could come in to compete with Grecco, Settersttom, and Goldberg for the 2 spots on the right side
    DRAFT
    1. Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma


    This picks could still be Jimmy Claussen, but IMO Bradford and Clausen are really close right now so i'll switch it up. Bradford is accurate and extremely intelligent. he has the height and leadership qualities you look for in a good QB. He hasn't faced alot of adversity, but where he can really make headway is in the interview room.



    2. Brandon Lafell, WR, LSU


    6'3 'Big physical receiver with good hands. He isn't the fastest guy but he is physical, a good route runner, and has great body control. He doesn't have the upside of Arrelious Benn or Demaryius Thomas, but he has the same physical style and he is much more polished as a receiver. His greatest strength is his redzone ability where he uses his length and body control to win battles in the endzone.



    3. Lamar Houston, DT, Texas


    DT is this Drafts deepest position. Houston is a legit second round prospect, but the deep draft pushes him. Houston specializes in penetration and sacking the QB one of the weakness of our current DTs. Spags will use his rotation to the fullest extent to maximize the talents of all our young DTs.



    4. AJ Edds, OLB, Iowa


    One of the best cover backers in the draft. All areas of his game are polished and he is the physical heavy hitter spags likes in his LBs. He is ready to start instantly at WLB especially on this team.



    5. Lindsey Witten, DE, UCONN


    Witten is a pure pass rusher who needs to polish the rest of his game, but he has a ton of upside. He will start of as a situational pass rusher and will have time to learn behind Hall. Spags doesn't need all stars he needs a good rotation of versatile linemen.



    5. Joique Bell, RB, Wayne State


    Versatile RB can do a little of everything. He reminds me of Derrick Ward. He and Ogbonaya will backup S-Jax.



    6. Chris Cook, CB, Virginia


    Big physical corner 6-2 210, he could be developed into a good press corner. He will be a special teamer and could work his way into the dime back job.


    7. Marshall Newhouse, OL, TCU


    Can Play every position on the O-Line. Depth that we need on the O-line



    7. Clifton Geathers, DE, South Carolina


    6-7 281 with a quick first step. His size and upside give him the ability to play LE and DT. Spags likes versatile lineman and Geathers is just a

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    Re: Who need the combine beast 3.1

    Honestly, i love this draft. Im really with getting Suh, but seems to me that you filled almost all of our voids. I think if we want Bradford we could trade down and get some more picks. I am still with taking Suh first though, he has just caught my eye.

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      Re: Who need the combine beast 3.1

      Originally posted by sosa39rams View Post
      Honestly, i love this draft. Im really with getting Suh, but seems to me that you filled almost all of our voids. I think if we want Bradford we could trade down and get some more picks. I am still with taking Suh first though, he has just caught my eye.
      ya suh is just hands down the better player
      I mean when have you heard of a lineman that has lead his team in tackles sacks tackles for loss, blocked kicks, and multiple other stats for two years straight? Suh is just a beast.
      Last edited by Nick; -02-03-2010, 11:33 AM. Reason: No links, read the rules please

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        Re: Who need the combine beast 3.1

        Hmm, I can't lie, you actually assessed all of our needs quite nicely. I don't know about taking another WR would be my only real gripe (plus like sosa said I hope we can snag a few picks and trade down a few spots for Bradford). We've got 5 or 6 guys with little to no experience at WR already, why not give them some time to develope? A top TE will do a lot in aiding them.

        Other than that, let's get Arthur Jones at #3 and we're sitting nicely. Haha, but seriously I think it's pretty good.

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        • #5
          Re: Who need the combine beast 3.1

          To be honest, while I appreciate the effort, I'm not sure I'm crazy about this one.

          In free agency, I like Atogwe and Watson. But after that it kind of cools off for me. I'm kind of middle of the road on Pennington, but I really question whether guys like Sheppard, Barnes, and Strief are going to contribute that much as starters. Sadly, they may be some of our best options in a watered down free agency.

          As for the draft, I've yet to see a compelling case for the Rams taking a QB first overall but I don't want to turn this thread into another debate on that topic. Let me just say that if the Rams identify DT as a position in need of an upgrade, particularly in the first three rounds, then I think the most logical thing to do would be the take the best prospect out of a great crop of prospects in Suh. But again, don't want to derail things here.

          LaFell in the second is solid; Houston in the third is okay though I'm a bit concerned that he had a pretty quiet week at the Senior Bowl. Edds is nice in the fourth but I think you could play him on the strong side as well. The rest look like solid depth, though I doubt Cook is there in the sixth.

          If you consider what the Rams come out of this mock with, you've addressed many of the key need areas - QB of the future, more talent at WR and TE, depth in the backfield, depth on both lines and in the secondary, one if not two potential starters at OLB. I'm just not really crazy about the direction.

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            Re: Who need the combine beast 3.1

            Originally posted by Nick View Post
            To be honest, while I appreciate the effort, I'm not sure I'm crazy about this one.

            In free agency, I like Atogwe and Watson. But after that it kind of cools off for me. I'm kind of middle of the road on Pennington, but I really question whether guys like Sheppard, Barnes, and Strief are going to contribute that much as starters. Sadly, they may be some of our best options in a watered down free agency.

            As for the draft, I've yet to see a compelling case for the Rams taking a QB first overall but I don't want to turn this thread into another debate on that topic. Let me just say that if the Rams identify DT as a position in need of an upgrade, particularly in the first three rounds, then I think the most logical thing to do would be the take the best prospect out of a great crop of prospects in Suh. But again, don't want to derail things here.

            LaFell in the second is solid; Houston in the third is okay though I'm a bit concerned that he had a pretty quiet week at the Senior Bowl. Edds is nice in the fourth but I think you could play him on the strong side as well. The rest look like solid depth, though I doubt Cook is there in the sixth.

            If you consider what the Rams come out of this mock with, you've addressed many of the key need areas - QB of the future, more talent at WR and TE, depth in the backfield, depth on both lines and in the secondary, one if not two potential starters at OLB. I'm just not really crazy about the direction.
            Just a fresh take at this point I expect the Rams to take Suh, but I just think the QBs have a chance to rise to the top and at the same time they might not and I'll be more than happy with Suh.

            Houston was a great player all year round he is a good pass rushing DT and a penetrator, I think sometimes we put to much stock into the senior.

            Lets face it people this year is going to be uncapped and we aren't going to get the type of FAs we want.

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              Re: Who need the combine beast 3.1

              Originally posted by 39thebeast View Post
              Just a fresh take at this point I expect the Rams to take Suh, but I just think the QBs have a chance to rise to the top and at the same time they might not and I'll be more than happy with Suh.
              I agree that a QB could rise up boards during this process, but since neither the #2 or #3 team will be in the market, doesn't it make all the sense in the world to trade down? Unless Tampa offers us absolutely nothing, I'm just not sure how a QB first overall makes sense when you can get the same guy and an additional pick(s) two spots later.

              I guess my point isn't so much that I wouldn't like getting either Bradford or Clausen. I think they're both talented players. I just think the situation dictates a trade down if those are the two guys you want. If the Rams take one first overall, they'll have added a fine young QB... but they'll have probably missed at a chance to get another pick(s) in the process.

              Originally posted by 39thebeast View Post
              Houston was a great player all year round he is a good pass rushing DT and a penetrator, I think sometimes we put to much stock into the senior.
              Houston is a fine mid-round prospect. But only one of his six sacks this season came against a ranked opponent (Alabama in the NC game). Of his 16.5 tackles for loss, only 2.5 came against ranked opponents (0.5 vs. Texas Tech, 2 vs. Alabama). Then he comes to the Senior Bowl, supposedly the best of the best seniors, and kind of disappears. All I'm saying is that it's a bit concerning.

              Originally posted by 39thebeast View Post
              Lets face it people this year is going to be uncapped and we aren't going to get the type of FAs we want.
              Yep, hence my saying these guys may be some of our best options in a watered down free agency.

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                Re: Who need the combine beast 3.1

                Originally posted by Nick View Post
                I agree that a QB could rise up boards during this process, but since neither the #2 or #3 team will be in the market, doesn't it make all the sense in the world to trade down? Unless Tampa offers us absolutely nothing, I'm just not sure how a QB first overall makes sense when you can get the same guy and an additional pick(s) two spots later.
                I don't see Tampa giving up one of their seconds, especially in this extremely limited FA pool. I think we would do it for a second I just don't see Tampa giving it up as well as paying the extra cash. The problem is when was the last time you saw a trade down in the top 5 for for just a 3rd round pick? It would be nice, but I think that's a tough sell.

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                  Re: Who need the combine beast 3.1

                  Originally posted by 39thebeast View Post
                  I don't see Tampa giving up one of their seconds, especially in this extremely limited FA pool. I think we would do it for a second I just don't see Tampa giving it up as well as paying the extra cash. The problem is when was the last time you saw a trade down in the top 5 for for just a 3rd round pick? It would be nice, but I think that's a tough sell.
                  I was thinking about this earlier. In the onset of the draft craze, I figured why not trade down and make the Buc's bend over backwards to get Suh. Then I thought they might be hesitant to give up that much for one player. Now I'm thinking that even if the cap is gone next year, it'll ONLY be gone for next year.

                  Teams looking to shed some cap space might not be all to opposed to giving up some extra picks and maybe sparing themselves a few more signings in an effort to assure that they don't find themselves in over their heads' at the beginning of 2011.

                  So now I maintain, if anyone wants Suh, we rake them over the coals for the rights to the best player in the draft.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Who need the combine beast 3.1

                    Love the draft but I think that LaFell will go in the first round and Edds in the third. I'm not sold on Watson, either: I'd prefer Tony Scheffler.

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                    • 39thebeast
                      Beast 4.0 get ready!!
                      by 39thebeast
                      1. Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma

                      Franchise QB. Has all the tools. Great leader, great work ethic, extremely smart, makes good reads, and pinpoint accuracy. Reports so far is the shoulder is all good, we just have to see him throw to confirm that. I suspect he will be in the top 3 on our board and QB trumps DT.



                      2. Jerry Hughes, DE, TCU


                      Many are projecting him to be a 3-4 OLB because of the size. He has the speed, burst, relentless, and explosion to make up for the lack of size. The Rams need someone who can get to the QB and it doesn't matter if that is a DE or a DT. Rams have guys like Adeyanju, Hall, and Long who are good against the run so he can focus on pass rushing initially. Long and Hughes will be a great combo in the future.



                      3. Carlton Mitchell, WR, South Florida

                      Going to have to get Bradford weapons. Mitchell has great size and speed. He can immediately come in and be a deep threat, but he has all the tools to develop into a complete NFL receiver. Adds down field playmaking ability the size the Rams receiving core needs.



                      4. (Traded for Tony Schefler)


                      He is on the block not a fit in Denver and he is good value for a 4th rounder. Great hands extremely athletic with good speed. Could be a crucial part of the offense especially with a rookie QB.


                      5. AJ Edds, OLB, Iowa


                      All around LB isn't overly athletic, but can bring the wood. Great coverage LB. Has the size spags wants in his LBs and could probably play all 3 spots. He will start of at WLB because that's where he needs it most.



                      5. Linval Joseph, DT, Eastern Carolina



                      Carriker, Scott, Ryan, Robbins Top 4 DTs not spectacular but could get the job done. Joseph has the size of Nose Tackle, but penetrates like 3 technique, something like Fred Robbins in his prime. Adds another rotational piece at DT.



                      6. Derek Hardman, OT, Eastern Kentucky


                      Small School OT can play at both tackle spots and be good depth.



                      7. Van Eksridge, FS, Eastern Carolina


                      Playmaking safety not outstanding physically, but is a great football player. Will be quality depth at safety and a good special teamer.


                      7. Mike Tepper, OL, Cal

                      Can play RT and guard. good depth on the o-line especially if Setterstrom isn't back.


                      Free Agents
                      O.J. Otogwe, FS, Rams- It all gets worked out and the Rams bring back the playmaker in their secondary.

                      Rod Hood, CB, Titans- Vet with a ton of experience in the scheme and is a good press corner. Can start if called, but will be a good nickel behind Fletcher and Bartell

                      Mike Bell, RB, Saints- No compensation when signed. Tough physical runner, definately...
                      -03-09-2010, 09:46 PM
                    • 39thebeast
                      Bring on the heat Beast 3.0
                      by 39thebeast
                      FREE AGENCY (Uncapped year)

                      O.J. Otogwe, FS, Rams- Gotta bring him back, he is playmaker that's hard to find

                      Ben Watson, TE, Patriots- Good receiver and Red Zone threat, gives alot of matchup problems and just another weapon the Rams need

                      Rashad Jeanty, OLB, Bengals- RFA, but the Bengals are deep enough to let him go. He will start at SLB and move Vobora to WLB where he is better suited

                      Chester Taylor, RB, Vikings- He is getting old in RB years, but he still gets it done. Ogobonaya has a very similar skill set and Taylor backs up S-Jax and helps groom Ogbonaya in his mold.

                      Chris Redman, QB, Falcons- Devaney will go for a QB he knows to be his backup. Redman is old, but he gives you just as much as Bulger at a much cheaper price and is only 2 years older.

                      Karl Paymah, CB, Vikings- Vikes have depth at CB so Paymah walks. He will get a shot to start, but will probably be the nickel back with a healthy Flethcer and Bartell starting.



                      Draft


                      1. Jimmy Claussen, QB, Notre Dame

                      Before you click the X because this isn't Suh, here me out. He is Franchise QB. He has the accuracy and the arm. He make things work in the pocket when in trouble. He can rally his team in the 4th quarter. The most underacted aspect about his games and is one the most important part of any QB is his toughness. He is tough and played through an injury that required surgery and still put up excellent numbers. He lead one of the best offenses in the NCAA, but on the other side his defense let him down and that reflected in the record. I am assuming Claussen wows Devaney and company on tape, in his interviews, and in April Work outs. They will be convinced he is franchise QB and decide to pass on Suh. If they can get a trade down with the Bucs they'll take it and still get that their guy. Cards put up 51 against the second best defense in the league just think about that and the fact that they are in our division.

                      2. Demaryius Thomas, WR, Georgia Tech.

                      The Rams could go D-Line here, but the Rams are in desperate need for elite type playmakers on offense and Jimmy Claussen needs weapons. 6'3 230 and a great blocker. He is raw as a receiver, but he has all the tools to be a Brandon Marshall type of player. Even in the triple option he found ways to make big plays as receiver. Laurant Robinson has the size and speed to be a great number 2 opposite Thomas as long as he stays healthy. The Rams offense will be young and explosive with Thomas, Robinson, Claussen, and S-Jax and a solid line when healthy. Unless Kurt Warner Retires you are going to have to score points to win the division. 51 points on the second best defense in the NFL?!?! Is that a joke

                      3. Lamar Houston, DT, Texas

                      DT is the deepest position in this draft. Houston is great penetrating UT who will get in the backfield...
                      -01-10-2010, 10:55 PM
                    • 39thebeast
                      Beastly off season
                      by 39thebeast
                      Free Agents
                      O.J. Otogwe, FS, Rams- Top 5 FS in the league lock him up

                      Darryl Tapp, DE, Seahawks- Anyone else remember that 3 or 4 sack performance he had against us a couple years back? Tapp is a really good pass rusher mired in a deep rotation that has Patrick Kerney. For his size it is surprising how good he is against the run and athletic enough to get a good pass rush. Wont be overly expensive and will give you bang for your buck. He will start at RE so Long can play LE

                      Tony Schefler, TE, Broncos- Great receiving TE he can even split out and play some WR. 6-5 great redzone target. Look at his stats he wont get as big of pay day as some think

                      Brandon Johnson, WLB, Bengals- 6'5 243 former DE, perfect Spags LB.

                      Jerious Norwood, RB, Falcons- Devaney drafted this guy because he is explosive in all aspects of the game. Because he is an excellent receiver he and S-Jax can be on the field at the same time. His injuries and inability to run inside will hold him back from getting a huge pay day, but also make him perfect for a complementary role behind S-Jax. After getting trucked by S-Jax Norwood can run by you with his 10 to 15 touches a game

                      Karl Paymah, CB, Vikings- Good size, good tackler, and pretty good in coverage. Could play RCB until Flethcer is healthy then move to the nickel.

                      Zach Strief, OT, Saints- 6'7 330 4 career starts small sampling becuase Saints are deep on the line. I think our line has improve drastically and we need some continuity to take it to the next lvl. LT Smith, LG Bell, C Brown, RG Goldberg/Setterstrom, RT Grecco/Strief.

                      Restricted Free Agents
                      Clifton Ryan, DT, Rams (Tender)
                      Craig Dahl, S, Rams (Resign)
                      Mark Setterstrom, OG, Rams (Resign)


                      Draft


                      1. Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame-


                      Has been the best QB in college Football. Accurate with and above average arm, but what I like are the intangibles. Tough as nails, great leader, cool under pressure, and he is at his best in the 4th quarter.

                      2. Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame-


                      We need a number 1 guy why not Jimmy Clausen's favorite target right now. Alot of people would prefer a bigger guy but there is no one better when the ball is up in the air. He has the best hands in the draft and he goes up and grabs everything. Pretty good size 5-11 195 and does alot of damage after the catch. He has had only 1 game without a TD, 2 not over 100 yards receiving.

                      3. Vince Oghobaase, DT, Duke-

                      Good size 6'5 305, extremely athletic, and strong. Recorded six sacks last year, but has been banged up this year. Coming back from injury has a had a sack in the last 2 games. Perfect fit at UT in this system. A little raw, but Spags system and the heavy rotation he employs will help him develop


                      4. Micah Johnson, LB,...
                      -10-31-2009, 09:17 PM
                    • Harry S. Truman
                      Mock Draft- Off-Season
                      by Harry S. Truman
                      First, here's my predicted free agent signings..

                      - Chase Blackburn
                      OLB
                      Giants

                      - He's a steady tackler, not much of a pass rusher, but he's consistent all around otherwise. On top of things, he's got a good work ethic, and is familiar with a Spagnulo run defense. At 26, he's still got some upside yet.

                      - Leigh Bodden
                      CB
                      Patriots

                      - Bodden was New England's best DB in 2009, picking off 5 passes, while racking up 55 tackles and more importantly helping New England improve their pass defense, and was crucial in helping the Pats cut their allowed passing touchdown numbers.

                      - Charlie Whitehurst
                      QB
                      Chargers

                      Has a good arm with accuracy, good size for the position and has spent his first three seasons in the NFL learning behind one of the NFL's best young QB (Phillip Rivers) and a very good QB developer as Head Coach (Norv Turner).

                      Rivers has actually gone on record and said that Whitehurst is overdue for a starting QB opportunity, and stated when he gets the chance, some team will be glad they gave him that shot.

                      I view Whitehurst as a low risk, high reward pickup. He likely won't cost much, and if he develops, the Rams have their QB situation solved. If not, it was a low risk signing and they can focus their attentions to adding a QB in the first in next year's draft.

                      Re-sign

                      O.J. Atogwe
                      Alex Barron
                      Leonard Little

                      Lastly.. Bring back Bulger as a backup.

                      And.. The draft.

                      Round 1
                      - Ndamukong Suh
                      DT
                      Nebraska

                      Suh is just what the doctor ordered for this defense. I think they've already got some pieces in place for future success, Suh will be the addition that could make them that much stronger. Suh, Long and Laurinitis is a very solid core, and one that could be dangerous for years to come.

                      Traditionally, teams don't spend #1 overall picks, and the money associated with it on Defensive Tackles.. Then again, Suh isn't your traditional DT.

                      Round 2
                      - Brandon LaFell
                      WR
                      LSU

                      I think WR is the biggest weakness on the Rams offense. While I like Donnie Avery, they need more.

                      I think LaFell could quietly, when it's all said and done, become the best of this class. He has good route running skills and leaping ability; good size; good field vision and body control; has a competitive streak a mile long; is very productive and gets good YPC numbers because of his ability to break tackles and take hits. He's not going to ever win a foot race. He isn't slow by any means, but his timed sped won't ever wow you, however his other intangibles more than make up for the "lack of speed".

                      He reminds me a large amount of Dwayne Bowe (and not just because both went to LSU). Bowe has quietly had a very good start to his career...
                      -02-11-2010, 05:33 PM
                    • The Optimistic Lamb
                      The Optimistic Lamb's Mock Draft
                      by The Optimistic Lamb
                      Version 2.0


                      1.1 Sam Bradford- QB
                      In my mind, Suh is still the better player. But Bradford has all the tools, smarts, and character to become a franchise QB. The draft is very deep in DT and a steal at #33 is very possible.

                      2.1 Brain Price- DT
                      Price is big, explosive, and a little nasty. Plays with a lot of passion and has to be double teamed. Has lots in common with Dorrel Scott. Supposedly a top 15 pick, but in reality the 2rd tier DT's are all tied for 2nd and it comes down to what is a "fit". Most of the teams at the bottom of the draft are 3-4 defenses while Price is strictly a 4-3. He just has to slide by the Colts and Saints to be home free.

                      3.1 Dorin Dickerson- WR
                      Dickerson is 6'2, 226lbs, runs a 4.4, and can catch deep balls. What is he doing playing TE? He looks to me like a big WR like Dez Bryant, or Demaryius Thomas.

                      4.1 AJ Edds- OLB
                      Edds isn't a sexy pick like Sean Weatherspoon, but he is a big LB at 246lbs who excels in coverage. He is polished, smart, durable, and rarely makes mistakes. Could play WLB or SLB. To me, he fits right in with Voborra and Laurinaitis.

                      5.1 Myron Lewis- CB/FS
                      A CB projected to be a FS in the NFL because of his lack of speed. Some debate over what round Lewis belongs in, I've seen him as high as the 3rd and as low as the 6th. But Spags seems to have a place for these "tweeners" and after letting go of Jonathon Wade, we could use some depth in the backfield. We'll see how the situation develops on draft day.

                      5.32 Chris Marinelli- OT
                      A blue collar O-lineman who has the respect of his team. Is very tough and durable and should be a very good back up with potential.

                      6.1 John Conner- FB
                      At 241lbs, Conner plays mean old school football. Is very good in pass protection and will sacrifice himself to take out LB's on the run. Seems to play with reckless abandon and grit. Was a walk on who became team captain. Is also a special teams star.

                      7.1 Jeromy Miles- FS
                      Another big fast DB. 6'2, 210lbs, runs a 4.5. Nothing more than a good depth pick.

                      7.19 Trindon Holliday- KR
                      A star kick returner for LSU. One of the fastest guys in the draft, why not pick him if he's available?

                      7.47 Who cares? There isn't an 8th round for a reason...
                      -04-01-2010, 04:24 PM
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