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    Av's 2010 Rams Draft Board (Version 3.0 - 2/4/10)

    Time for another update!

    My thought process on this has changed a bit, so here are my new rankings:

    Time for an update.

    While the Rams have the first pick, its still important to have a draft board to account for the possiblity of a trade (either down from pick 1, or up to get a second first round pick), as well as the chance that a player could fall to selection #33.

    1. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska (Previous Rank: 1)
    2. Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma (Previous Rank: 6)
    3. Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech (Previous Rank: 2)
    4. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma (Previous Rank: 3)
    5. Joe Haden, CB, Florida (Previous Rank: 4)
    6. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson (Previous Rank: 5)
    7. Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State (Previous Rank: 6)
    8. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee (Previous Rank: 7)
    9. Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame (Previous Rank: 9)
    10. Mike Iupati, OG/RT, Idaho (Previous Rank N/A)


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    At this point, I'm looking at the options as being one of the following: (1) take Suh with the first pick, (2) take Bradford with the first pick, or (3) trade down and take Bradford.

    The third option is very tempting, but has three problems. First, the Rams would obviously need a trading partner. Would Tampa give up a 2nd round pick (plus other picks) to move up 2 spots? Who knows? Second, if the Rams trade down to No. 3, they risk a scenario in which the Redskins might trade up to No. 2 if they really want Bradford (while the Rams would still get a great prospect and have an extra 2nd round pick under that scenario, it would not be the intended result). Finally, if the Rams trade down, they lose the opportunity to pre-sign their selection.

    Some will undoubtedly question why I've moved Bradford to No. 2 while leaving Jimmy Clausen at No. 9. The answer is that I just don't have the same feeling about Clausen. When I've seen him play, he just didn't stand out to me as a guy who makes you say "Wow. That guy's going to be playing on Sundays.) Bradford - before the injury - was that kind of player in my eyes.

    Finally, I've dropped Terrence Cody from the list. While I think he can be a good player, I wonder how much a guy with such liitations is really worth. Iupati strikes me as a guy with Steve Hutchinson type potential at OG, and who also could be a very good starting RT.

    Next update will be in March after the Combine.
    Last edited by AvengerRam_old; -02-04-2010, 07:39 AM.
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      Re: Av's 2010 Rams Draft Board (Version 2.0 - 2/4/10)

      Any reason as to why Eric Berry is so low, and why he is dropping down your list?

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        • #3
          Re: Av's 2010 Rams Draft Board (Version 2.0 - 2/4/10)

          Originally posted by shower beers
          Any reason as to why Eric Berry is so low, and why he is dropping down your list?
          It has a lot to do with the position he plays. FS is not a premium position, in my book. Moreover, the Rams have a very good FS in Atogwe (who I expect they will try to retain).

          Truth is, the fact that Berry, as a FS, is on my list at all is testament to what a great prospect he is. I could do a Top 50 draft board for the Rams and there probably wouldn't be another safety on it.

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            • #4
              Re: Av's 2010 Rams Draft Board (Version 2.0 - 2/4/10)

              [QUOTE=AvengerRam;330082]

              Some will undoubtedly question why I've moved Bradford to No. 2 while leaving Jimmy Clausen at No. 9. The answer is that I just don't have the same feeling about Clausen. When I've seen him play, he just didn't stand out to me as a guy who makes you say "Wow. That guy's going to be playing on Sundays.) Bradford - before the injury - was that kind of player in my eyes.

              QUOTE]

              I respect your opinion. I disagree and agree with alot of the things you say about both Bradford and Clausen. Right now I give Clausen the edge but whatever.

              My question is based on your above statement (playing devils advoctate.)

              Do you think Bradford would have still been a top QB, draft pick in this draft if he played at Notre Dame last season. It was obvious Oklahoma was loaded with talent on won games easily without him at QB, and a lesser replacement.

              I can confidently say Claussen would have been even a bigger star at Oklahoma with all that talent. I may argue though, that if Bradford played 2 years at Notre Dame, he may be entering this draft looking more like Tony Pike than a top 10 pick.

              What to you think about that? (remember devil's advocate, lol).

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                • #5
                  Re: Av's 2010 Rams Draft Board (Version 2.0 - 2/4/10)

                  I respect your opinion. I disagree and agree with alot of the things you say about both Bradford and Clausen. Right now I give Clausen the edge but whatever.

                  My question is based on your above statement (playing devils advoctate.)

                  Do you think Bradford would have still been a top QB, draft pick in this draft if he played at Notre Dame last season. It was obvious Oklahoma was loaded with talent on won games easily without him at QB, and a lesser replacement.

                  I can confidently say Claussen would have been even a bigger star at Oklahoma with all that talent. I may argue though, that if Bradford played 2 years at Notre Dame, he may be entering this draft looking more like Tony Pike than a top 10 pick.
                  I don't see that. First of all, Clausen had pretty good offensive talent surrounding him, including a WR who will be drafted in the first two rounds this year.

                  Second, Oklahoma went 8-5 this year, playing most of the season without Bradford (he did not play the full game in any of their losses). In 2007 and 2008, they went 23-5 with Bradford at QB.

                  Clausen strikes me as a guy who has a little too much attitude for his own good. Kind of the J.P. Losman mold. I could be wrong (I've never met the guy), but that's my perception. More importantly, though, I just think Bradford has the more accurate arm of the two.

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                    • #6
                      Re: Av's 2010 Rams Draft Board (Version 3.0 - 2/4/10)

                      I could see where his attidude is in question with the bar fights and such..



                      Juaquin Iglesias was a stud for Bradford too.
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                        • #7
                          Re: Av's 2010 Rams Draft Board (Version 3.0 - 2/4/10)

                          AV are you going to do that thing you did last year the way us in clan ram ranked them and you did the math and put up a final ranking?

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                              Re: Av's 2010 Rams Draft Board (Version 3.0 - 2/4/10)

                              Originally posted by BarronWade
                              AV are you going to do that thing you did last year the way us in clan ram ranked them and you did the math and put up a final ranking?
                              Yeah... I'll do that after the Combine.

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                                • #9
                                  Re: Av's 2010 Rams Draft Board (Version 3.0 - 2/4/10)

                                  Watch Clausen throw the deep ball, he looks like hes trying to hurl a bowling ball, using his entire body to get up the strength. His throwing motion changes slightly (bringing the ball farther back)to achieve the distance.
                                  Bradford looks like hes throwing a roll of toilet paper, he just changes his angle but the throwing motion remains the same. EACH and EVERYTIME he throws the ball, like its nothing.

                                  Bradford imo is just a smoother throwing QB, and hits his guys in stride ALOT more often

                                  This is just what Ive noticed after alot of game watching, and is only an opinion.

                                  GO RAMS!

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                                    • AvengerRam_old
                                      Av's 2010 Rams Draft Board (Version 2.0 - 1/7/10)
                                      by AvengerRam_old
                                      Time for an update.

                                      While the Rams have the first pick, its still important to have a draft board to account for the possiblity of a trade (either down from pick 1, or up to get a second first round pick), as well as the chance that a player could fall to selection #33.

                                      1. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska (Previous Rank: 2)
                                      2. Derrick Morgan,* DE, Georgia Tech (Previous Rank: 3)
                                      3. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma (Previous Rank: 4)
                                      4. Joe Haden, CB, Florida (Previous Rank: N/A)
                                      5. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson (Previous Rank: 7)
                                      6. Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State (Previous Rank: 8)
                                      7. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee (Previous Rank: 9)
                                      8. Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma (Previous Rank: 6)
                                      9. Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame (Previous Rank: 5)
                                      10. Terrence Cody, DT, Alabama (Previous Rank 10)

                                      *Undeclared

                                      Comments
                                      With Jake Locker going back to school, Suh slides into the first spot. I doubt he'll move from there. I still like Morgan over McCoy due to his pass rushing abilities. The newest member of my board is Joe Haden, who recently declared. I think he is a potential superstar at the CB spot. I've moved down the QBs, as both have a lot of question marks. With Bradford (who I've now jumped ahead of Clausen), its all about his shoulder. If it checks out and he throws well, he could climb the board. Clausen could go either way for me. If he is as undersized as I suspect he is, he could fall out of my Top 10.
                                      -01-07-2010, 01:55 PM
                                    • AvengerRam_old
                                      Av's 2010 Rams Draft Board (Post-Combine)
                                      by AvengerRam_old
                                      Time for another update:

                                      1. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska (Previous Rank: 1)
                                      2. Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma (Previous Rank: 2)
                                      3. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma (Previous Rank: 4)
                                      4. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson (Previous Rank: 6)
                                      5. Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech (Previous Rank: 3)
                                      6. Jason Pierre-Paul, DE, South Florida (Previous Rank: N/A)
                                      7. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee (Previous Rank: 8)
                                      8. Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame (Previous Rank: 9)
                                      9. Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State (Previous Rank: 7)
                                      10. Sergio Kindle, DE/OLB, Texas (Previous Rank: N/A)

                                      Comments:

                                      Suh's Combine performance confirmed his right to hold on to the top spot. Bradford is a close second, and his value is enhanced every time a tier 2 QB has a bad day. McCoy jumps above Morgan due to the latter's weigh-in (266 lbs.) which raised some minor concerns. Pierre-Paul, on the other hand, shocked me by weighing in at a 270 which, along with his speed and quickness, makes for an intriguing package. Berry is back as my top DB after a disappointing peformance by Joe Haden, who drops out of my Top 10. Clausen and Bryant really did nothing at the Combine, and will both have to impress in Pro Day workouts. Kindle is a newcomer to my list. I see a lot of Leonard Little in him, in terms of a player who could gain some bulk and continue to play DE in a 4-3, as he did in college.
                                      -03-03-2010, 09:53 AM
                                    • AvengerRam_old
                                      Av's First Official 2010 Rams Draft Board (12/2/09)
                                      by AvengerRam_old
                                      I'm going to do five of these (one each month) between now and the draft. As this is my first official board, here are a few ground rules. First, I am, at this stage, projecting that certain underclassmen will declare. Second, I see two scenarios here: (1) draft a franchise QB in Round 1, or (2) draft a DL in Round 1 and wait until Round 2 or 3 to take a QB. I'm still straddling that fence, as you will soon see.

                                      So, with those thoughts in mind, here is my Top 10:

                                      1. Jake Locker, QB, Washington
                                      Right now, I see Locker as the only potential franchise QB in the draft. He has elite physical tools. His production has not been overwhelming. The question that must be answered through due diligence is whether his lack of production is the product of underdeveloped skills or poor talent around him. His grasp on my top spot is tenuous, at best.

                                      2. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
                                      He could be a definite difference maker on the DL, and he fits the mold of quick DTs who peformed well in Spagnuolo's Giant defenses. At this point, he's probably the most certain top 3 pick among all prospects.

                                      3. Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech
                                      Surprised? Trust me, you won't be in the coming months. This guy has the size (6'4, 272) and productivity (12 sacks so far this year) you look for in a pass rushing prospect. He also seems to have the intangibles the Rams will be looking for, which will elevate him above guys like Carlos Dunlap and Greg Hardy. Look for him to be a star at the Combine.

                                      4. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
                                      This is a good year at the top of the draft for DTs. McCoy rates only a hair or two below Suh, and could be just as good as a pro. A sure fire top 5 pick absent a major bump in the evaluation process.

                                      5. Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame
                                      But, Av... you said there was only one potential franchise QB in the draft. Yes, that is what I believe. But I could be wrong. I want to see how Clausen measures (is he really 6'3?) and what the scouts really think of his arm strength. His game films and stats are impressive, though.

                                      6. Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
                                      But, Aaaaavvvvvvvvv.... Yeah, yeah, I know. Look, when this season started Bradford was the concensus No. 1 overall. If he's healthy and tests well, you can't count him out. Still, that whole spread offense against Big 12 defenses thing worries me.

                                      7. C.J.Spiller, RB, Clemson
                                      Yes, I know the Rams don't really need a RB (at least not a starter). But Spiller, in my opinion, is much more than just a RB. I think he can do everything that Percy Harvin can do, and more. He's that good.

                                      8. Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State
                                      This would be a different approach, but if the Rams win a few more games and are picking in the 7-10 range, Bryant would be a very good option. He could really elevate the WR corps and make the QB's job much easier.

                                      9. Eric Berry, S,...
                                      -12-02-2009, 11:54 AM
                                    • AvengerRam_old
                                      Clausen probably wouldn't have fallen to the Rams, and other random thoughts
                                      by AvengerRam_old
                                      Here are my random thoughts following Day 1 of the draft:
                                      • I have no regrets about not waiting for Clausen. First, I think Bradford will be a much better QB. Second, had the Rams taken Suh, I think there is a very good chance that the Vikings would have taken Clausen in round 1, rather than trading down to pick #34. If Clausen goes to Minnesota with that pick, I'll be fairly certain I'm right.
                                      • So Denver has Kyle Orton, Brady Quinn and Tim Tebow? Well, if you could chop them up and surgically combine all their best parts I guess you'd have something close to John Elway, but I think doing so would violate league rules.
                                      • If the Rams don't trade down, I'm torn between four players. If the Rams want an offensive playmaker, it has to be Golden Tate. If they want a defensive playmaker (and they think he could fit in a 4-3, it has to be Sergio Kindle. If they want a guy who can come in and immediately fill a significant hole, they should consider Everson Griffen. If they want someone to help protect Bradford, I'd go with Vladimir Ducasse. I'd be fine with any of those picks.
                                      • I don't know if it will happen, but a trade of Osi Umenyiora to the Rams makes a lot of sense now that the Giants have Jason Pierre-Paul.
                                      • One of the happiest moments for me in the first round was when C.J. Spiller went to the Bills instead of one of the Rams' divisional foes.
                                      • An Eagles fan at my draft party, along with my brother (who was texting me from Arkansas during the draft), were miffed, to say the least, when the Eagles traded up, not for Earl Thomas, but for Brandon Graham. Quote from my brother "Next they're going to trade their second round pick for Kate Gossilen and three of her daughters."
                                      • Brian Bulaga went to the right team. He looks like a Packer. In fact, his nickname should be "meat."
                                      • At the start of the night, I announced at my party that I thought Demaryius Thomas would be selected before Dez Bryant. One of my better predictions (and I had some bad ones too).
                                      • While I have no beef whatsoever with those who wish the Rams selected Suh, I hope this won't become a lingering issue. Rams fans should, of course, get firmly behind Sam Bradford. The "fans" that irk me the most are those who - before Bradford has played a single down in the NFL - are saying he's a horrible pick, he's going to be a bust, and this is just more of the same from a bad franchise. If I was that down on the team,and so devoid of hope, I'd probably just stop following football. After all... this is supposed to be fun, right?
                                      -04-23-2010, 05:46 AM
                                    • DistantRam
                                      If we draft Clausen....
                                      by DistantRam
                                      How many people on this site are going to say that it's simply due to Bradford's agents demanding too much money?

                                      While Sam Bradford is almost certainly still our number one target, Kevin Demoff stated on Sunday that preliminary talks have been held with all of the four top prospects, as well as Okung and Berry. Given that we really need a quarterback, will any decision to select Clausen at number one (assuming that no trades are made) be attributed by the pro-Bradford majority to his over-rapacious representatives? Will Clausen be regarded as the "cheap" alternative?
                                      -04-19-2010, 01:39 AM
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