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  • If the Rams trade the first pick, it will go down like this...

    I don't know if the Rams will trade the first pick. While they may wish to, there's no guarantee that any team will offer fair trade value.

    That said, if it does happens, there are two things I am confident about:

    1. It won't happen before draft day; and

    2. We'll know its coming before draft day.

    Here's what I'm thinking. If the Rams want Ndamukong Suh, they will almost certainly sign him before draft day. That is one very big advantage of having the first pick, after all, as you can sign your choice in advance and eliminate any concern over a holdout.

    If draft day arrives and the Rams have not signed anyone, then I think that will be a clear sign that a trade is on the table. The way I see it, the Rams are most likely to entertain a trade if they wish to select Sam Bradford as their first pick. That stated, I don't think the Rams can make the trade in advance for that purpose. Here's why:

    Detroit, who holds the No. 2 pick, is an unlikely trade partner. In all likelihood, they will simply take Gerald McCoy, rather than giving up draft picks to get Suh.

    Tampa, who holds the No. 3 pick, is a likely trade partner. They, in all likelihood, covet a player like Suh (who could become their next Warren Sapp, without the pot cloud over his head), and have an extra second round pick to offer as part of a trade.

    The Rams, however, can't afford to make a pre-draft trade with the Bucs. The reason: Washington. There are reports that Washington is very interested in Bradford, and I have little doubt that Dan Snyder would trade up to No. 2 if he thinks the Rams are planning to take Bradford at No. 3.

    So, if draft day arrives and the Rams have not made a trade or signed a player, it is likely that the reason would be that Rams have worked out a trade with Tampa that is contingent on Bradford still being on the board at No. 3 (i.e. the Redskins don't trade up in anticipation of a St. Louis/Tampa deal). If he's not, the Rams keep either keep Suh (but, of course, lose the opportunity to sign him in advance), or complete the trade and select someone else at No. 3 (G.McCoy, J.Clausen, D.Bryant, C.J.Spiller, E.Berry are all possibilities under that scenario).

    Of course, there is another possibility. Washington could work out a trade with Detriot before the draft, and thereby force the Rams to either select Bradford at No. 1 or let him go to the Skins. Such a move, however, would be risky for the Redskins, because, assuming the Rams "fall in love" with Bradford in the next two months, they might just take him at No. 1.

    In the end, there could be some drama on draft night.
    Last edited by AvengerRam_old; -02-09-2010, 09:21 AM.

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    Re: If the Rams trade the first pick, it will go down like this...

    Interesting theory. In order for that to work we would have to pull an Eli so to speak and draft Suh intending to trade his rights to the Bucs two picks later. We'd also probably need to have some kind of smokescreen going because even the clueless Redskins front office is going to notice if we haven't signed the top pick when draft day arrives. If the Redskins were smart, they'd play the same game and not announce their trade with Detroit until they'd seen whether we used the first pick on Bradford. That is if both teams were really that interested in Bradford to begin with.

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      Re: If the Rams trade the first pick, it will go down like this...

      Originally posted by Goldenfleece View Post
      If the Redskins were smart, they'd play the same game and not announce their trade with Detroit until they'd seen whether we used the first pick on Bradford. That is if both teams were really that interested in Bradford to begin with.
      That is a possibility. They could wait for the Rams to make their selection, and then announce a trade to the No. 2 spot (with that trade contingent on the Rams taking someone other than Bradford). That would then cause the Rams not to complete their deal with the Bucs.

      I think you just made a good argument for simply signing and drafting Bradford at No. 1 if the Rams really want him.

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      • #4
        Re: If the Rams trade the first pick, it will go down like this...

        They will probably really want him if Suh isn't on the board anymore and we get an extra second round pick out of it.

        I just find it hard to see us drafting Bradford #1 overall, especially if we sign a FA QB.

        Are we allowed to know in advance who has called who? I think it'd be kind of unfair for the Skins' and the Lions to scheme against us so we can't take Bradford...
        Always and Forever a fan of the St. Louis Rams

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        • #5
          Re: If the Rams trade the first pick, it will go down like this...

          Originally posted by Varg6 View Post
          Are we allowed to know in advance who has called who? I think it'd be kind of unfair for the Skins' and the Lions to scheme against us so we can't take Bradford...
          Its perfectly within the rules for them to negotiate a contingent deal and keep it under wraps, just as the Rams are free to do so with Tampa.

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          • #6
            Re: If the Rams trade the first pick, it will go down like this...

            Originally posted by AvengerRam View Post
            Its perfectly within the rules for them to negotiate a contingent deal and keep it under wraps, just as the Rams are free to do so with Tampa.
            In other words, we have to be very careful.
            Always and Forever a fan of the St. Louis Rams

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            • #7
              Re: If the Rams trade the first pick, it will go down like this...

              No matter what happens Some Ram fans will get Mad.

              For me it would be a win with any scenario.
              1) Draft SUH ="WIN"
              2) Trade down get extra 2nd & draft Bradford = "WIN"
              3) Trade down get extra 2nd & Washington drops to #2 and takes Bradford = Rams "WIN" again and get DT Gerald McCoy.

              I would be happy with any of these!

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              • #8
                Re: If the Rams trade the first pick, it will go down like this...

                I think most scenarios work out for the Rams, as long as we arent shafted on a deal and we dont reach for a player. We need help at pretty much every position, so we can find someone whereever we draft to help our team
                @EssexRam_

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                • #9
                  Re: If the Rams trade the first pick, it will go down like this...

                  If the Rams haven't signed Suh by draft day, then I agree that it could be taken as a sign that they're still willing to listen to trade offers.

                  However, I'm not convinced that the Redskins will be so in love with Bradford that they'll leapfrog the Rams should St. Louis trade down. Washington is a poor team with a number of holes. They don't have a third or sixth round pick this year. They already have a quarterback who can at least start for them.

                  If Bradford (or Clausen) is available at the number four spot, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Redskins pull the trigger. The doctor that performed Bradford's surgery works for the Redskins, so they'll have the best opinion in the league when it comes to evaluating his health. That being said, I'm just not sure they're in a great position to be giving up draft picks right now to make that happen.

                  But even if the Rams do trade down with Tampa, and Washington trades with Detroit to take Bradford, then St. Louis can simply sit pretty @ the third overall spot and select Gerald McCoy.

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                  • #10
                    Re: If the Rams trade the first pick, it will go down like this...

                    Originally posted by Nick View Post
                    If the Rams haven't signed Suh by draft day, then I agree that it could be taken as a sign that they're still willing to listen to trade offers.

                    However, I'm not convinced that the Redskins will be so in love with Bradford that they'll leapfrog the Rams should St. Louis trade down. Washington is a poor team with a number of holes. They don't have a third or sixth round pick this year. They already have a quarterback who can at least start for them.

                    If Bradford (or Clausen) is available at the number four spot, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Redskins pull the trigger. The doctor that performed Bradford's surgery works for the Redskins, so they'll have the best opinion in the league when it comes to evaluating his health. That being said, I'm just not sure they're in a great position to be giving up draft picks right now to make that happen.
                    All that is true, and yet... there are two words that make it hard to ever say that the Redskins will or will not do anything:

                    Dan Snyder

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                      Rams Could Trade Down Not Once, But Twice
                      by Guest
                      by Brian Stull
                      While the smokescreen of who Billy Devaney is and isn't talking with continues to thicken, here's a plan to consider as the Rams weigh their options with the number one pick...
                      Trading down not just once, but twice.
                      It's more realistic than you might think and the Rams could still stay in the top four.
                      Most people have assumed that Detroit is going to use the second overall pick to choose Russell Okung (T) out of Oklahoma State to shore up their offensive line and offer some protection for Mathew Stafford.
                      Not a bad train of thought--but are the Lions good enough to pass on a Ndamukong Suh or Gerald McCoy to bolster their defense??
                      If you're Tampa, you can't take that chance. If you want to guarantee that you receive one of the two top defensive tackles you have to trade up--and if you're going to trade, why not go to the top and ensure you have first choice.
                      So, the Rams and Bucs work out a deal to swap 1st and 3rd overall picks with whatever other pick/player combo balances it out.
                      You now have Washington at number four--rumored to be interested in Sam Bradford. Detroit and Tampa both have their young QBs of the future, so there is no concern there. However, even if the Rams sign a veteran free agent, can the Redskins be sure the Rams won't select Bradford at #3??
                      No. So again, Washington needs to work a trade and the Rams can acquire additional picks/players while staying near the top of the draft.
                      Now, you may say that's fine--but if Suh, McCoy, and Bradford are all off the board who's left for the Rams at #4 in this scenario??
                      Lots of options here--talks are ongoing, but a long-term deal with Oshiomogho Atogwe has yet to be reached and Eric Berry is not just a top-rated safety, but a top player overall in the draft. CJ Spiller would be a heck of combo teaming with Steven Jackson.
                      Dez Bryant and all of the wide receivers would be available. Jimmy Clausen, who does have some support at Rams Park, would be on the table.
                      It comes back to answering this question--would the Rams be better with one player forecast to be a can't miss game-changer or by acquiring a handful of very good players that can address the many needs on the team.
                      Looking forward to the scenarios that develop this week at the Combine, will keep you posted on what is--and isn't being talked about.


                      Personally if this were possible I'd trade twice but after alll odds are against this...
                      -02-24-2010, 01:16 PM
                    • sntlouisrams
                      Alternate trade option
                      by sntlouisrams
                      Say for arguments sake the rams like G.McCoy ahead of Suh there isnt apparantly alot between them as both are nfl ready dt's (for the record i think suh is better and yes I have seen his stats and understand that argumeny)

                      The rams convince Tampa that they want suh and get trade down with tampa to 3rd and pick up a 2nd and 4th round for arguments sake.

                      The rams also convince washington that we want bradford, (as we sit ahead of washington they have to trade up to 2nd to get him) meaning they trade with detroit to get in and steal him from us as it were.

                      However we sit pretty at 3rd having traded down and land G.McCoy and have an extra draft picks in the later rounds. I READ this elsewhere and paraphrasing it, to see what people would think. Also this move works if we want clausen as well.
                      -02-16-2010, 10:58 AM
                    • Bald_81
                      Hindsight is a (you know what). Do you make this trade?
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                      Prior to the 2010 NFL Draft, it was speculated that the Steelers were shopping Ben Roethlisberger. He was suspended for six games for the upcoming season (later reduced to four), which might've been the impetus for wanting to trade him. One team they made an offer to was the Rams. The rumor was they offered Roethlisberger (and possibly additional picks) for the #1 overall pick in the draft and the Rams declined.



                      Let's say they included their 1st rounder (18th overall) as part of the package. We could have drafted someone like Maurkice Pouncey, Demaryius Thomas or Dez Bryant.

                      So, with the benefit of hindsight, what would you have done?

                      I know, I know, you can use hindsight in a vast majority of situations. But I thought this one was particularly interesting because the decision, which was obviously paramount at the time, would have such a big impact on the direction of the franchise....
                      Yes
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                      No, I still would've picked someone other than Bradford
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                      Think of it what you will....
                      -04-20-2010, 11:30 AM
                    • max
                      The Stud v. the Trade Down
                      by max
                      What I have been hearing a lot, including Jim Thomas on Bernie's radio show, is the Rams will either take Suh, or trade down if someone offers them a great deal.

                      The question I have is how often does the trade down work. It didn't work so well for Bill Parcells when he trade away the pick to the Rams for Pace. But it did work well for the Chargers when they trade Eli Manning the #1, for Philip Rivers and several other picks including Merriman.

                      I think it's usually better to keep the pick if it's a super stud like Pace, or Earl Campbell, or John Elway.

                      So do we think Suh is that super stud guy? If so we should not be taking offers. I mean, they would have to be ridiculous. I would want at least 3 additional #1's. And that ain't happening.
                      -12-22-2009, 08:21 AM
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