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    Dominik says Bucs are ready to trade up, or to trade down
    Posted by Mike Florio on February 16, 2010 8:46 AM ET

    In what appears to be yet another effort to persuade the media and the fan base that the Buccaneers aren't even cheaper than one of the teams that played a fairly important game in Raymond James Stadium twelve months ago (yeah, it would have been a lot easier to just say "the Cardinals"), G.M. Mark Dominik told Steve Duemig of WDAE radio on Monday that the team is prepared to trade up in the draft. (Via JoeBucsFan.com.)

    The Buccaneers currently hold the third pick in the draft. A trade up would mean that they want one of the premier defensive tackles -- Ndamukong Suh and Gerald McCoy.

    Of course, he also said that the team is prepared to trade down, and that's the far more likely direction. Even though it would result in more draft picks and thus more contracts to be given to first-year players, the cumulative cost of the deal given to the lower pick in round one and the other picks they acquire will be less than the cost of signing the third pick.

    Trading down could make a lot of sense, given the number of top-ten teams that need a quarterback. The Bucs aren't one of them, so they could hold an auction for the ability to pick Sam Bradford or Jimmy Clausen, with the Redskins, Browns, and Seahawks all potentially in the bidding.

    Such a maneuver would fit with Dominik's vow to build through the draft, which generally entails far less money than searching for a big-money free agent who might come in an propel the Buccaneers back to the top of the division, the conference, and/or the league.

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    Re: Bucs GM Dominik acknowledges trading up as a possibility

    Sound promising, I am starting to like the idea of trading down. I hope we get at least an extra 2nd and 3rd round pick if we do.

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      Re: Bucs GM Dominik acknowledges trading up as a possibility

      Originally posted by 01d 0rd3r View Post
      Sound promising, I am starting to like the idea of trading down. I hope we get at least an extra 2nd and 3rd round pick if we do.
      my question to you is what would we do with the third pick? if both dt's are more than likely gone who would be target? berry? we got OJ lol not sure I'd no what to do with the exception of Bradford if he checks out...

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        Re: Bucs GM Dominik acknowledges trading up as a possibility

        Originally posted by TheRammer View Post
        my question to you is what would we do with the third pick? if both dt's are more than likely gone who would be target? berry? we got OJ lol not sure I'd no what to do with the exception of Bradford if he checks out...
        If I were in charge I would take clausen, but if you dont want a QB besides Bradford, I guess Derick Morgan or Joe Haden. I would really like to upgrade our secondary or D-line.

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        • #5
          Re: Bucs GM Dominik acknowledges trading up as a possibility

          Originally posted by 01d 0rd3r View Post
          If I were in charge I would take clausen, but if you dont want a QB besides Bradford, I guess Derick Morgan or Joe Haden. I would really like to upgrade our secondary or D-line.
          Ya I'm liking Haden alot to... we've never had a true shut down corner in a long time...
          Last edited by Nick; -02-16-2010, 08:37 PM. Reason: PM a mod if you think the link is worthy enough to be an exception to a rule you know you're breaking.

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            Re: Bucs GM Dominik acknowledges trading up as a possibility

            imo there is absolutely no good reason to trade down unless we get a QB. Why pass on the best defensive player in the draft to get another defensive player? I understand you get another pick, but kinda defeats the purpose i thought....

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              Re: Bucs GM Dominik acknowledges trading up as a possibility

              Originally posted by Bralidore(RAMMODE) View Post
              imo there is absolutely no good reason to trade down unless we get a QB. Why pass on the best defensive player in the draft to get another defensive player? I understand you get another pick, but kinda defeats the purpose i thought....
              thats dumb, lol...


              if you could get haden and pierre-paul or suh I know I rather have 2 starters......


              no doubt about it

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              • #8
                Re: Bucs GM Dominik acknowledges trading up as a possibility

                Originally posted by richtree View Post
                thats dumb, lol...


                if you could get haden and pierre-paul or suh I know I rather have 2 starters......


                no doubt about it
                That presumes the former two are actual long-term starters and not massive projects.

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                • #9
                  Re: Bucs GM Dominik acknowledges trading up as a possibility

                  What i meant was, Why pass on Suh at number 1, if your just going to trade down and get a different, lesser, defensive player like Haden (Pierre Paul=massive project and reeks of bust), then it simply defeats the purpose of trading down IMO. You get an extra pick sure but you just past on the best player in the draft so you can get another second rounder and a different, not as good defensive player. If there is a tradedown you get your quarterback IMO.

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                    Re: Bucs GM Dominik acknowledges trading up as a possibility

                    Originally posted by 01d 0rd3r View Post
                    If I were in charge I would take clausen, but if you dont want a QB besides Bradford, I guess Derick Morgan or Joe Haden. I would really like to upgrade our secondary or D-line.
                    This has been stated on here more than a few times, but I honestly believe the Rams try to trade down only if they really feel they want an QB. Otherwise, it would be tough to justify trading down just to pick a lesser defensive player unless Tampa's offer was just too good to pass up. I doubt they offer that kind of package though, as they are a rebuilding team as well.

                    EDIT: I didn't see the last two posts before my post loaded, so it sounds a little repetitive
                    Last edited by AtlantaRamFan; -02-16-2010, 07:45 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Bucs GM Dominik acknowledges trading up as a possibility

                      Originally posted by richtree View Post
                      thats dumb, lol...


                      if you could get haden and pierre-paul or suh I know I rather have 2 starters......


                      no doubt about it
                      If the trade is moving down for Tampa's #3 pick and one of their second rounders, the Rams won't have a shot at both of those guys. They're both likely gone in the Top 15 or Top 20.

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                      • AvengerRam_old
                        A Fair Rams/Bucs Trade Proposal
                        by AvengerRam_old
                        Here's my suggestion:

                        (NOTE: "TVC" means "Trade Value Chart")

                        Rams give Tampa:
                        First round pick (#1) (TVC: 3,000)
                        Fourth round pick (#97) (TVC: 112)
                        TOTAL TVC: 3,112

                        Bucs give Rams:
                        First round pick (#3) (TVC: 2,200)
                        Second round pick (#35) (TVC: 560)
                        Third round pick (#67) (TVC: 255)
                        TOTAL TVC: 3,015

                        From the TVC standpoint, it is a fairly even trade. The Rams would gain one total selection, and would have two of the first three picks in Rounds 2 and 3.

                        The Bucs would ensure that they can select Ndamukong Suh (the whole notion of a trade is premised on the presumption that the Bucs want him), and they would still have a second round pick (#44) and an extra fourth round pick.

                        I would make this trade. It would allow the Rams to either (1) take Bradford at No. 3, if they believe he is "their guy," or (2) if Washington were to jump to No. 2 and take Bradford, to take Gerald McCoy, who is a pretty good "consolation prize." In doing so, they would gain an extra second round pick, which would be very valuable in this deep draft, and would also essentially move up from their fourth round pick to an extra early third round pick.

                        Would you make this trade, and do you think the Bucs would?
                        I would, but I doubt the Bucs would.
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                        I would, and I think the Bucs would too.
                        21.31%
                        13
                        I wouldn't, and I don't think the Bucs would either.
                        6.56%
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                        I wouldn't, but the Bucs would.
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                        -02-18-2010, 04:22 PM
                      • BucsPirate1
                        Would you Trade Down with the Bucs?
                        by BucsPirate1
                        Hi Rams fans. Bucs fan here, curious what you would think if your team traded down to #3 overall. There has been some talk here in Tampa, that because of your need at QB the Rams could possibly be willing to trade down for a 2nd rounder (which we have 2 of). What would be your opinion if the Rams traded #1 overall for #3 and #35 overall?

                        Good luck. Hopefully a resurgence with both teams can bring back the rivalry we had at the turn of the millenium.
                        -01-26-2010, 12:39 PM
                      • Bralidore(RAMMODE)
                        Bucs and Rams Talking Trade?
                        by Bralidore(RAMMODE)
                        Ive read today from multiple sights that its rumored that the Rams and Buccaneers are talking trade for hte number one overall pick. The details of the trade include the Rams trading the number one pick for Tampa's third round pick or one of their two second round picks. This possibility has been kicked around here and other sites for weeks as of now and seems to be likely.

                        The interesting addition to this trade is the possibility of the Rams getting QB Josh Johnson from the Buccs.

                        Per Rumor Mill:" ...they’re "very high" on third-year quarterback Josh Johnson, who they would insist being in a potential trade with Tampa Bay. Rams officials compare Johnson favorably to Vick athletically, but they feel that he has a greater upside as a passer."

                        From what ive seen of Johnson, he's a potential Franchise Quarterback. Pretty Raw in the games i saw of him this year against the redskins but made some good throws and decisions and simply would not take the sack, showing excellent elusiveness and scramble ability. Has reportedly 4.6-4.4 speed, is a leader, and is also a good passer. He is also said to be a passer first and a runner second who is very agile and fast.

                        A pick swap with Tampa's first, a third rounder, and Josh Johnson is an excellent deal and I would be ecstatic if the Rams pulled the trigger on it.

                        What do you think Clan Ram?
                        :helmet:
                        -02-20-2010, 09:51 AM
                      • rams_man13
                        Reported Bucs/Rams Trade Discussion
                        by rams_man13
                        The Bucs and Rams have reportedly explored a deal that would send the No. 3 overall pick, a third-round pick, and QB Josh Johnson to St. Louis for the first overall selection.

                        The Bucs would then draft Ndamukong Suh with the No. 1 pick. According to Scout.com, the Rams compare Johnson to Michael Vick athletically, and they believe he has even more upside as a passer. While Johnson is an intriguing developmental QB, he's not close to being ready to start at the NFL level. The proposed deal makes sense for the Bucs, but it wouldn't solve the Rams' quarterback dilemma for 2010.
                        Feb. 20 - 2:39 p.m. ET

                        Source: Scout.com

                        I would really hate this deal, the only way I want to move down is to draft Bradford and pick up extra picks, or trade down again and draft Joe Haden and get 2 extra 2nds and 2 extra thirds.

                        They need to throw in a 2nd rounder and remove Josh Johnson from the deal. If he hasn't made strides and moved to the front of Tampa's QB carousel, he never will.
                        -02-20-2010, 03:16 PM
                      • AvengerRam_old
                        If the Rams trade the first pick, it will go down like this...
                        by AvengerRam_old
                        I don't know if the Rams will trade the first pick. While they may wish to, there's no guarantee that any team will offer fair trade value.

                        That said, if it does happens, there are two things I am confident about:

                        1. It won't happen before draft day; and

                        2. We'll know its coming before draft day.

                        Here's what I'm thinking. If the Rams want Ndamukong Suh, they will almost certainly sign him before draft day. That is one very big advantage of having the first pick, after all, as you can sign your choice in advance and eliminate any concern over a holdout.

                        If draft day arrives and the Rams have not signed anyone, then I think that will be a clear sign that a trade is on the table. The way I see it, the Rams are most likely to entertain a trade if they wish to select Sam Bradford as their first pick. That stated, I don't think the Rams can make the trade in advance for that purpose. Here's why:

                        Detroit, who holds the No. 2 pick, is an unlikely trade partner. In all likelihood, they will simply take Gerald McCoy, rather than giving up draft picks to get Suh.

                        Tampa, who holds the No. 3 pick, is a likely trade partner. They, in all likelihood, covet a player like Suh (who could become their next Warren Sapp, without the pot cloud over his head), and have an extra second round pick to offer as part of a trade.

                        The Rams, however, can't afford to make a pre-draft trade with the Bucs. The reason: Washington. There are reports that Washington is very interested in Bradford, and I have little doubt that Dan Snyder would trade up to No. 2 if he thinks the Rams are planning to take Bradford at No. 3.

                        So, if draft day arrives and the Rams have not made a trade or signed a player, it is likely that the reason would be that Rams have worked out a trade with Tampa that is contingent on Bradford still being on the board at No. 3 (i.e. the Redskins don't trade up in anticipation of a St. Louis/Tampa deal). If he's not, the Rams keep either keep Suh (but, of course, lose the opportunity to sign him in advance), or complete the trade and select someone else at No. 3 (G.McCoy, J.Clausen, D.Bryant, C.J.Spiller, E.Berry are all possibilities under that scenario).

                        Of course, there is another possibility. Washington could work out a trade with Detriot before the draft, and thereby force the Rams to either select Bradford at No. 1 or let him go to the Skins. Such a move, however, would be risky for the Redskins, because, assuming the Rams "fall in love" with Bradford in the next two months, they might just take him at No. 1.

                        In the end, there could be some drama on draft night....
                        -02-09-2010, 09:16 AM
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