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  • Another Poll: Suh, McCoy, Bradford, Clausen

    Who of the big four are you leaning towards currently?
    72
    Ndamukong Suh
    68.06%
    49
    Gerald McCoy
    2.78%
    2
    Sam Bradford
    15.28%
    11
    Jimmy Clausen
    13.89%
    10

  • #2
    Re: Another Poll: Suh, McCoy, Bradford, Clausen

    I think this is a pretty easy one. I want a Franchise QB preferably Sam Bradford. But i am anticipating he has a strong Pro day.

    The Pick in this thread has to be Suh.

    There are questions surrounding Clausen and Bradford's health. This thread is before the pro day/ combine is finished so it has to be suh or McCoy.

    But im sure this will be asked again after the pro day in which case my vote may change.
    Last edited by BarronWade; -02-17-2010, 07:02 AM. Reason: spelling

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    • #3
      Re: Another Poll: Suh, McCoy, Bradford, Clausen

      I went with Bradford.

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      • #4
        Re: Another Poll: Suh, McCoy, Bradford, Clausen

        I like these guys exactly in the order you have listed them. Suh, then McCoy, then Bradford, and Clausen bringing up the rear

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        • #5
          Re: Another Poll: Suh, McCoy, Bradford, Clausen

          I voted Suh. He is, IMO, the best combination of value and need on the board.

          I wouldn't throw something through my TV screen if they selected a quarterback, because I understand the team's need and the value of the position. But I simply don't agree with reaching for need with that kind of pick, and I think that's what they'd be doing by taking a quarterback first overall ahead of Suh or McCoy.

          Right now, neither Bradford nor Clausen are among the top five prospects on my overall draft board. It's just really hard for me to justify taking a guy first overall when he's not one of the top five best prospects in the class. And what's interesting is that, in some rankings around the 'net, they're not even in the top 8-10.

          Maybe they gain some momentum and rise up boards a bit through interviews at the combine or in their private workouts. If so, I'm open to adjusting my thought process, as everyone should be. But right now, as it has been for a while now, I still prefer Suh.

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          • #6
            Re: Another Poll: Suh, McCoy, Bradford, Clausen

            I went with Gerald McCoy. He's more polished right now than Suh. Suh to me just manhandles people, will he be able to do that in the pros? Maybe, but maybe not. McCoy has better technique but he doesn't look as dominating as Suh. I'll take the technique guy.

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            • #7
              Re: Another Poll: Suh, McCoy, Bradford, Clausen

              I went with Suh, stick him at QB, see what the big guy can do

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              • #8
                Re: Another Poll: Suh, McCoy, Bradford, Clausen

                Originally posted by Bing69 View Post
                I went with Suh, stick him at QB, see what the big guy can do
                Thats what i said about Steven Jackson lets let him play QB and let Marc Bulger be our running back in week 1 he lowered his shoulder if you remember

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                • #9
                  Re: Another Poll: Suh, McCoy, Bradford, Clausen

                  Originally posted by txramsfan View Post
                  I went with Gerald McCoy. He's more polished right now than Suh. Suh to me just manhandles people, will he be able to do that in the pros? Maybe, but maybe not. McCoy has better technique but he doesn't look as dominating as Suh. I'll take the technique guy.
                  I just don't get the logic behind this analysis.

                  Suh and McCoy played against essentially the same competition, and Suh had literally twice as many tackles and sacks as McCoy.

                  Even if I were to accept your statement that McCoy is "more polished" (I don't agree, as I've discussed previously), wouldn't the logical choice be the guy who has MORE UPSIDE because he is not yet "polished"?

                  As far as I'm concerned, the only way one can conclude that McCoy is a better prospect than Suh is through pre-draft overanalysis.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Another Poll: Suh, McCoy, Bradford, Clausen

                    To me, it comes down to Suh and Bradford. Until Bradford is tested, I'm going with Suh.

                    If the consensus on Bradford is that he's 100% and has an "NFL arm," I may very well shift.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Another Poll: Suh, McCoy, Bradford, Clausen

                      Well, it's not like Suh is that much above McCoy in all mock drafts. In fact, most have them both 1 - 2. I don't just go by stats like most of you. I've seen them both play quite a bit living in Big 12 country and honestly, there isn't much difference in the two except for technique.

                      I look at stats like this.....you could say unemployment went down 2% but is that a big thing if unemployment is already at 20%? And they really didn't play a comparable schedule. Nebraska has to face all the Big 12 North teams and just two I think from the South while Oklahoma has to face all the Big 12 South teams. Quite a big difference in competition.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Another Poll: Suh, McCoy, Bradford, Clausen

                        Originally posted by txramsfan View Post
                        And they really didn't play a comparable schedule. Nebraska has to face all the Big 12 North teams and just two I think from the South while Oklahoma has to face all the Big 12 South teams. Quite a big difference in competition.
                        Fine, let's look at common opponents:

                        2009 (Baylor, Texas Tech, Texas)

                        Suh: 21 tackles, 5 sacks
                        McCoy: 7 tackles, 3 sacks

                        2008 (Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Texas Tech, Missouri)

                        Suh: 36 tackles, 3 sacks
                        McCoy: 9 tackes, 2 sacks

                        Total (vs. Common Opponents, 2008/9)

                        Suh: 57 tackles, 8 sacks
                        McCoy: 16 tackles, 5 sacks

                        I agree that stats don't always tell the whole story, but here the disparity is HUGE. So... given that they are essentially the same size, and Suh has outproduced McCoy by a very big margin (no matter how you slice it), I think the choice is pretty clear.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Another Poll: Suh, McCoy, Bradford, Clausen

                          Ok, those are rather impressive. All I am saying is, it's 1 or 1A with those two. You get either one, you will get a very productive player.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Another Poll: Suh, McCoy, Bradford, Clausen

                            Don't get me wrong, I think McCoy is a Blue Chip prospect. If the Rams had a choice of Suh at No. 1 or McCoy at No. 2 or 3 plus an extra second round choice, I think it would be a very tough call. I'd probably go with McCoy plus a pick there. But if the Rams keep the No. 1 pick, to me its Suh or Bradford.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Another Poll: Suh, McCoy, Bradford, Clausen

                              Bradford is 3 on my board behind the DTs. Going into this year he was in the top 3 if not number 1 on almost all boards. If the shoulder checks out we have no reason to drop him, we have the tape we know what he can do. He is the type of guy who will excel in interviews and that's where a QB specifically can make a ton of headway. Thats how Peyton Manning solidfied his spot over Ryan Leaf and its how Matt Ryan solidified his selection to the Falcons. I fully expect Bradford to shoot himself up the boards and endear himself to Devaney and company, too become the Rams selection.

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                              • AvengerRam_old
                                How would you handicap the first pick?
                                by AvengerRam_old
                                If you were a Vegas oddsmaker, how would you handicap the Rams' first pick? In anwering, DO NOT PROVIDE ODDS OF RAMS MAKING A TRADE! Just provide your odds of who you think the Rams will take IF THEY STAY AT PICK #1.

                                Here are the current odds from the AvengerRam Sports Book of Central Florida:

                                Ndamukong Suh: EVEN MONEY
                                Sam Bradford: 3-1
                                Gerald McCoy: 4-1
                                Jimmy Clausen: 25-1
                                "The Field": 500-1
                                -02-25-2010, 08:46 AM
                              • smitheRAM
                                Second quess
                                by smitheRAM
                                So we picked Bradford, but what if we could of picked Suh and now Clausen. Would you have rather done have them?
                                -04-22-2010, 09:00 PM
                              • sakl18
                                Suh or Clausen/Bradford?
                                by sakl18
                                The main debate for the upcoming draft is if the Rams will take Suh or a QB, with Clausen currently having the edge over Bradford. Although Suh would improve the defense, you can't win in this league without a solid or elite QB. Here are the top teams from 2009 and their QB's.

                                1) Indianapolis - Peyton Manning
                                2) New Orleans - Drew Brees
                                3) San Diego - Phillip Rivers
                                4) Minnesota - Brett Favre
                                5) Dallas - Tony Romo
                                6) Green Bay - Aaron Rodgers
                                7) Philadelphia - Donovan McNabb
                                8) Arizona - Kurt Warner
                                9) Cincinnati - Carson Palmer
                                10) New England - Tom Brady

                                As you can see, the top 10 teams have arguably the top 10 Quarterback's in the league. As it has been posted before, our defense can compete in this league. However, our offense can't. If we take Suh, we will be looking at another top 5 pick again next year. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see the Rams have a player like Suh. But if we grab him, we would lose a shot at a franchise QB like Clausen. Having Clausen would take a lot of pressure off of Jackson as teams wouldn't be able to consistantly stack the box against him. Not only that, but Clausen spent three years in a pro-style offense under Charlie Weiss, who has been a successful OC in the NFL.

                                If you look at the numbers that Clausen put up, they are spectacular. He finished the year with a 68% completion percentage, 3722 yards, 28 touchdowns and 4 interceptions. He did all of that with a terrible offensive line (he's already starting to fit in!) and virtually no running game (which he will have with the Rams).

                                The two biggest flaws that people seem to pick out in him are his attitude and his carrer record (13-18). when you look at the win loss record, it is no fault of his own. During his time in Notre Dame, he was playing with no defense. With the points he put up and the level he played at, the losses were not his fault. His character is the other issue. Although he is cocky and abrassive, can't the same be said in Phillip Rivers?

                                IMO, Spags and Devaney need to take Clausen to move this team forward. In the NFL you can't win without a QB, and I guarantee you that the front office is aware of it (they did spend a year with Bulger, Boller and Null* starting at QB).

                                *This isn't a shot at Null, I realize that he was a rookie, and I have high hopes for him as the future backup of the Rams.
                                -01-21-2010, 10:38 AM
                              • xkidflowx
                                Colt Mccoy + Suh..
                                by xkidflowx
                                WHAT IF... we had drafted Suh.. then colt mccoy in the 2nd.. do you think we would have been a better team? because me and my friends had a arguement and me defending bradford. My point was that, Bradford was the best thing that can ever happen to any organziation.

                                their point.. Colt Mccoy is the REAL DEAL and SUH is the real deal....

                                So let me hear your guys thoughts!
                                -11-30-2010, 01:56 PM
                              • RAM-BO
                                If it isn't Bradford or Suh, who's your guy?
                                by RAM-BO
                                With the 1st pick in the NFL draft the St. Louis Rams select Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame :helmet:
                                -04-16-2010, 12:26 PM
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