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  • Pasquarelli: Rams scouts "becoming increasingly convinced" Suh is BPA

    Leaning toward Suh

    There is still more than two months before the draft, and St. Louis Rams general manager Billy Devaney isn't tipping his hand as to how he will use the top overall choice in the lottery. But Rams scouts are becoming increasingly convinced that Nebraska defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh is the best player available, in a relatively close call with Oklahoma defensive tackle Gerald McCoy. Not only is Suh viewed as a potentially dominant inside player, but it's also felt that he will improve the productivity of two other defensive lineman selected by the Rams in the first rounds of recent drafts, tackle Adam Carriker (2007) and end Chris Long (2008).
    Courtesy of Pasquarelli's Friday Tip Sheet.

  • #2
    Re: Pasquarelli: Rams scouts "becoming increasingly convinced" Suh is BPA

    YES! this is what i wanted to happen

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    • #3
      Re: Pasquarelli: Rams scouts "becoming increasingly convinced" Suh is BPA

      How much time to Suh and Carriker spend on the field together unless Carriker is going to be used as a NT? I thought that experiment was over.

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      • #4
        Re: Pasquarelli: Rams scouts "becoming increasingly convinced" Suh is BPA

        The Rams defense (like Spags' Giants defense) does not use the NT/UT designations. Rather, they simply designate the DTs as "left" and "right."

        That said, it seems to me that Carriker would be pretty far down in the inital depth chart at DT if the Rams take Suh. At a minimum, I'd think Ryan and Scott would be ahead of him.

        Some have proposed that Carriker be tried at DE. I doubt that would be the plan, as he really projects more as a 4-3 DT or 3-4 DE than a 4-3 DE.

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        • #5
          Re: Pasquarelli: Rams scouts "becoming increasingly convinced" Suh is BPA

          I wouldn't mind him as a rotational DT and a DE on run downs (assuming we take a pass rusher across from Long and not a balanced DE).

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          • #6
            Re: Pasquarelli: Rams scouts "becoming increasingly convinced" Suh is BPA

            I think this off Season Carriker could get in shape and speed up for DE and resume his old college spot in the 4-3.
            I'd love to see our starting D-Line come spring and preseason look like this...
            Starting Line Up
            DT: Ndamukong Suh, Clifton Ryan DE: Adam Carriker, Chris Long

            Rotational Guys
            DT: Scott and someone else DE: Leonard Little, James Hall

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            • #7
              Re: Pasquarelli: Rams scouts "becoming increasingly convinced" Suh is BPA

              Originally posted by TheRammer View Post
              I think this off Season Carriker could get in shape and speed up for DE and resume his old college spot in the 4-3.
              Two things.

              One, you say you think Carriker could "get in shape" in order to play DE. The problem isn't that the guy is out of shape. He's simply a big guy. He's never going to be a 260-270 pound fast edge rusher; that's just not who he is. He came into the combine @ 296 pounds, and that was before the Rams asked him to add weight in order to play the nose tackle position. It's going to be pretty tough for Carriker to drop that kind of weight without losing some strength in the process, and he simply isn't the kind of athlete to be a quick rusher off the edge at his size.

              Two, the defensive end position Carriker played in college was not similar to a defensive end position in a 4-3 scheme. Calling it his old college spot is inaccurate, and is probably based more on the position he was listed at rather than the actual responsibilities he had.

              Quoting Nick Wagoner from an article when Carriker was drafted, "At 6’6, 308 pounds, Carriker spent most of his college career playing the “Base” end in Nebraska’s defensive scheme. In that scheme, Carriker was technically an end but where he lined up in relation to the offensive line was the equivalent of where he would lineup as a defensive tackle in the NFL."

              There's a reason nearly every analysis or scouting report on Carriker when he was coming out envisioned a shift inside to tackle if he was taken by a 4-3 team. He's simply not a good fit on the outside on a four man alignment. Maybe you can shift him out there situationally to stop the run, but his main home in the 4-3 is at tackle.

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              • #8
                Re: Pasquarelli: Rams scouts "becoming increasingly convinced" Suh is BPA

                Does anyone have the stats on Carriker from his days at Nebraska for when he was playing with Suh vs playing without Suh. I'd be interested to see if Carriker's production went up. Makes me think that you pair two former college teammates together, you could really get some production out of that line.

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                • #9
                  Re: Pasquarelli: Rams scouts "becoming increasingly convinced" Suh is BPA

                  Originally posted by Dr. Defense View Post
                  Does anyone have the stats on Carriker from his days at Nebraska for when he was playing with Suh vs playing without Suh. I'd be interested to see if Carriker's production went up. Makes me think that you pair two former college teammates together, you could really get some production out of that line.
                  Considering that Suh was a medical redshirt Freshman and therefore a backup during Carriker's Senior year, I'm not sure there's enough statistical data from which to draw any conclusions.

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                  • sosa39rams
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                    Just imagine a rotational d-line with: Chris Long, Leonard Little, Adam Carriker, Cliff Ryan, Fred Robbins, and Ndamukong Suh.

                    That would just continue to stop the run+ put pressure on a QB. That would be amazing!

                    But imagine Sam Bradford, working with our offense and some possible added weapons.

                    Which do you prefer?
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                  • Molotov
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                    The problem I have with drafting Suh is, I actually think our interior DL is pretty good at the moment.

                    If you bring on Suh, that gives you Douzable, Ramsey, Gibson, Scott, Ryan, and Suh. Meanwhile, on the edge, we have Long, Victor, and Hall. This could all change via free agency, of course.

                    All of our interior guys are decent players, and Scott and Ryan are actually pretty good. Our edge guys are okay, but do not provide consistent pressure on opposing QBs. And I am not convinced that Suh will provide a pass rush in the NFL.

                    So the actual improvement of the team will be marginal with the addition of Suh. We need game changers. We need edge rushers, shut down corners, big play WRs, and a stud QB. If we add Suh, we will STILL need edge rushers, shut down corners, big play WRs, and a stud QB.

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                  • TakeSuh
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                    clip one: YouTube - DT Ndamukong Suh Highlights 2009 Nebraska Part 1

                    watch at 40 seconds for those who say suh only uses the bull rush.
                    YouTube - DT Ndamukong Suh Highlights 2009 Nebraska Part 2

                    clip 3 YouTube - DT Ndamukong Suh Highlights/Lowlights 2009 Nebraska Part 3

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                    -02-08-2010, 09:05 PM
                  • Bralidore(RAMMODE)
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                    by Bralidore(RAMMODE)
                    Money....Money Money Money. Suh reportedly has the same agent that Crabtree had last season. The same agent that notoriously causes rookie holdouts with every client he gets including the likes of Emmitt Smith, Larry Fitz, Walter Jones....Mr. Eugene Parker. If your a franchise hard up for cash and desperately need all your assets in camp come spring, this is a nasty development. He gets TOP dollar for all his clients and could likely cause Suh to be the most overpaid player......ever. Our franchise's state and Suh's stock could make this get out of hand.

                    Hopefully Suh isn't the type of guy that will make this get too ugly. I'd seriously be shopping the pick around for a good deal at this point. In im number one I still take Suh but if I can trade down and get a reasonable deal in the process...i take it.
                    -01-28-2010, 05:23 PM
                  • Canadian Rams Fan
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                    The guy just looks dominant. He will so disruptive I.M.O offenses will have no choice but to game plan for him leaving every one else on the D.L to roam free. This will definetly make for Spags crown jewl. I.M.O too good to pass up. Next up lets go take a look at Jimmy Clausen.
                    -01-02-2010, 06:59 PM
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