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    OU’s McCoy a better fit for Rams

    By Michael Silver, Yahoo! Sports
    10 hours, 59 minutes ago


    INDIANAPOLIS – Because he has an exceptionally cool name – and some serious game – Ndamukong Suh would be an outstanding choice as the No. 1 overall pick of the 2010 NFL draft.


    But when Roger Goodell reveals the first pick to a primetime TV audience on April 22, my prediction is that the NFL commissioner will have a much easier name to pronounce. In all likelihood, he’ll be announcing that the St. Louis Rams have selected a different defensive tackle who terrorized the Big 12 conference: Oklahoma’s Gerald McCoy


    There are logical reasons for this, many of which I will detail shortly. But the best and most succinct one was verbalized by an NFC general manager I talked to at Thursday’s NFL scouting combine: “McCoy is the better player.”


    Obviously, this GM’s opinion isn’t absolute. Beauty is in the eye of the potentially creepy beholder, and a lot can happen in the two months between the NFL’s annual meat market and the most hyped employee-allocation meeting in modern American industry.


    But in numerous conversations this week with people who know talent – several of whom are familiar with Rams coach Steve Spagnuolo’s mindset – I’ve gotten the unequivocal impression that the prospect of St. Louis taking McCoy is very real. For all the hype about Suh and McCoy’s Sooners teammate, former Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback Sam Bradford, it’s this big, explosive, high-effort inside pass-rushing threat who stands out as the probable top pick.


    “Think about the situation [Spagnuolo’s] in,” one high-level front-office employee for an AFC team said Wednesday. “He went 1-15 in his first season, and now there’s a new owner coming in. The guy is coaching for his job, possibly his career. He needs to win now or they could all get fired.


    “That means he has to take the player who’ll make the biggest impact right now. You think he’s gonna trust that a quarterback can come in and do that as a rookie? I don’t think so. What he knows is defense, and the scheme he knows is the 4-3. And of the two tackles, the guy who makes the most sense for that scheme is definitely McCoy.”


    A 6-foot-4, 298-pound menace in the middle, McCoy has been said to resemble Kevin Williams, the Minnesota Vikings’ perennial All-Pro defensive tackle. He’s a strong, relentless, athletic player who has a penchant for blasting through and past defenders and terrorizing quarterbacks. One scout I talked to thought the Williams comparison didn’t go far enough.


    “Kevin Williams?” the scout scoffed. “To me, he’s Warren Sapp, only bigger and stronger.” (Sapp’s response, via text message: “LMAO!”)


    The skepticism is understandable: Sapp, a future Hall of Famer, was one of the best players of his generation, and exaggeration is rampant among talent evaluators this time of year.


    Suh, too, has inspired some grandiose praise – it’s just that the former Nebraska player, buoyed by his jaw-dropping performance (4½ sacks) in the Big 12 championship game against Texas, has been anointed much more conspicuously to this point.


    At 6-4, 302 pounds, Suh also has the size and strength that any team covets. He has great hands and explosiveness and is terrific at the point of attack. His upper-body strength is exceptional, and he’s a top-notch tackler.


    Realistically, Suh is probably good enough to be a very good defensive tackle in a 4-3 scheme. But many of the talent evaluators I’ve been talking to project Suh as a 3-4 defensive end.


    “To me, he’s Richard Seymour,” one AFC scouting director said. “He’s a guy who can stand there on the edge and put his arms up and own the gap, even if he’s double-teamed. Don’t get me wrong – he’s a good player. I just think that if you’re playing a 4-3, the other guy is a better fit.”


    Added another NFC general manager: “I’m a McCoy guy. Suh is good, but I’m wary of guys who have one eye-catching game, and people go nuts over them and the momentum builds. In the end, when people break down these two, I think most of them will end up liking McCoy better.”


    Obviously, there are many scenarios which could complicate this decision. The Rams, who have many needs, would surely be open to trading down. Realistically, so would each of the three teams (Detroit Lions, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Washington Redskins) which pick immediately after them.


    Of those teams, Washington is most likely to take a quarterback. If new head coach Mike Shanahan decides he wants Bradford or Notre Dame’s Jimmy Clausen, it’s possible Washington could attempt to trade up to ensure he can get his guy. Similarly, other teams in search of a young passer could try to move up to get one of those players, as the Jets did with Mark Sanchez last April.


    None of this would be tragic news for the Lions or the Bucs. Each team picked its presumed quarterback of the future last year – Matthew Stafford went No. 1 overall to Detroit before Josh Freeman went to Tampa Bay in the middle of the first round – and thus is not in the market for a passer.


    “The more that teams get excited about these quarterbacks, the better news that is for the Lions,” Detroit coach Jim Schwartz said Thursday. “The more motivated teams are to move up, the more options we might have.”


    When I asked Schwartz about McCoy and Suh, he sounded pretty content with the prospect of landing one of the two tackles. According to most mock drafts, McCoy is the guy who should be preparing for a future in Honolulu blue.


    Based on what I’m hearing, I think Lions fans should start learning how to pronounce “En-dom-ah-ken Soo” and hope that Warren Sapp has good reason to laugh at the hyperbole about McCoy.

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    Re: OU's McCoy A Better Fit For Rams

    I love this. Each new article I read swears by another player. Our front office must be doing a good job if no one can pin our pick down.

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      Re: OU's McCoy A Better Fit For Rams

      Originally posted by r8rh8rmike View Post
      ou’s mccoy a better fit for rams

      by michael silver, yahoo! Sports
      10 hours, 59 minutes ago


      indianapolis – because he has an exceptionally cool name – and some serious game – ndamukong suh would be an outstanding choice as the no. 1 overall pick of the 2010 nfl draft.


      But when roger goodell reveals the first pick to a primetime tv audience on april 22, my prediction is that the nfl commissioner will have a much easier name to pronounce. In all likelihood, he’ll be announcing that the st. Louis rams have selected a different defensive tackle who terrorized the big 12 conference: Oklahoma’s gerald mccoy


      there are logical reasons for this, many of which i will detail shortly. But the best and most succinct one was verbalized by an nfc general manager i talked to at thursday’s nfl scouting combine: “mccoy is the better player.”


      obviously, this gm’s opinion isn’t absolute. Beauty is in the eye of the potentially creepy beholder, and a lot can happen in the two months between the nfl’s annual meat market and the most hyped employee-allocation meeting in modern american industry.


      But in numerous conversations this week with people who know talent – several of whom are familiar with rams coach steve spagnuolo’s mindset – i’ve gotten the unequivocal impression that the prospect of st. Louis taking mccoy is very real. For all the hype about suh and mccoy’s sooners teammate, former heisman trophy-winning quarterback sam bradford, it’s this big, explosive, high-effort inside pass-rushing threat who stands out as the probable top pick.


      “think about the situation [spagnuolo’s] in,” one high-level front-office employee for an afc team said wednesday. “he went 1-15 in his first season, and now there’s a new owner coming in. The guy is coaching for his job, possibly his career. He needs to win now or they could all get fired.


      “that means he has to take the player who’ll make the biggest impact right now. You think he’s gonna trust that a quarterback can come in and do that as a rookie? I don’t think so. What he knows is defense, and the scheme he knows is the 4-3. And of the two tackles, the guy who makes the most sense for that scheme is definitely mccoy.”


      a 6-foot-4, 298-pound menace in the middle, mccoy has been said to resemble kevin williams, the minnesota vikings’ perennial all-pro defensive tackle. He’s a strong, relentless, athletic player who has a penchant for blasting through and past defenders and terrorizing quarterbacks. One scout i talked to thought the williams comparison didn’t go far enough.


      “kevin williams?” the scout scoffed. “to me, he’s warren sapp, only bigger and stronger.” (sapp’s response, via text message: “lmao!”)


      the skepticism is understandable: Sapp, a future hall of famer, was one of the best players of his generation, and exaggeration is rampant among talent evaluators this time of year.


      Suh, too, has inspired some grandiose praise – it’s just that the former nebraska player, buoyed by his jaw-dropping performance (4½ sacks) in the big 12 championship game against texas, has been anointed much more conspicuously to this point.


      At 6-4, 302 pounds, suh also has the size and strength that any team covets. He has great hands and explosiveness and is terrific at the point of attack. His upper-body strength is exceptional, and he’s a top-notch tackler.


      Realistically, suh is probably good enough to be a very good defensive tackle in a 4-3 scheme. But many of the talent evaluators i’ve been talking to project suh as a 3-4 defensive end.


      “to me, he’s richard seymour,” one afc scouting director said. “he’s a guy who can stand there on the edge and put his arms up and own the gap, even if he’s double-teamed. Don’t get me wrong – he’s a good player. I just think that if you’re playing a 4-3, the other guy is a better fit.”


      added another nfc general manager: “i’m a mccoy guy. Suh is good, but i’m wary of guys who have one eye-catching game, and people go nuts over them and the momentum builds. In the end, when people break down these two, i think most of them will end up liking mccoy better.”


      obviously, there are many scenarios which could complicate this decision. The rams, who have many needs, would surely be open to trading down. Realistically, so would each of the three teams (detroit lions, tampa bay buccaneers, washington redskins) which pick immediately after them.


      Of those teams, washington is most likely to take a quarterback. If new head coach mike shanahan decides he wants bradford or notre dame’s jimmy clausen, it’s possible washington could attempt to trade up to ensure he can get his guy. Similarly, other teams in search of a young passer could try to move up to get one of those players, as the jets did with mark sanchez last april.


      None of this would be tragic news for the lions or the bucs. Each team picked its presumed quarterback of the future last year – matthew stafford went no. 1 overall to detroit before josh freeman went to tampa bay in the middle of the first round – and thus is not in the market for a passer.


      “the more that teams get excited about these quarterbacks, the better news that is for the lions,” detroit coach jim schwartz said thursday. “the more motivated teams are to move up, the more options we might have.”


      when i asked schwartz about mccoy and suh, he sounded pretty content with the prospect of landing one of the two tackles. According to most mock drafts, mccoy is the guy who should be preparing for a future in honolulu blue.


      Based on what i’m hearing, i think lions fans should start learning how to pronounce “en-dom-ah-ken soo” and hope that warren sapp has good reason to laugh at the hyperbole about mccoy.


      but suh still has more tackles for loss tackles pass brake ups interceptions blocked kicks and quartetback pressures than mccoys combined 3 years at oklahoma in his senior year! How is suh not the best player?

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      • #4
        Re: OU's McCoy A Better Fit For Rams

        It's all a smoke screen. I know we can't screw up this pick. Suh, Suh Suh.

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        • #5
          Re: OU's McCoy A Better Fit For Rams

          Anybody here not want Suh?

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          • #6
            Re: OU's McCoy A Better Fit For Rams

            Originally posted by r8rh8rmike View Post
            OU’s McCoy a better fit for Rams

            By Michael Silver, Yahoo! Sports
            10 hours, 59 minutes ago





            Added another NFC general manager: “I’m a McCoy guy. Suh is good, but I’m wary of guys who have one eye-catching game, and people go nuts over them and the momentum builds. In the end, when people break down these two, I think most of them will end up liking McCoy better.”

            Is this made up? Suh had more than one eye-catching game obviously, look at his stats. Saying otherwise just makes this GM sound like a total and complete idiot.

            The most incredible part of Suh's game is that he was double teamed for the last half of the season, and he was still productive in tackles and sacks. He is tackling guys while being engaged by two o-line men.
            A defeated look of consternation, dissappointment, or even pain. The name derives from the look one often gets when challenged by a large BM.

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              Re: OU's McCoy A Better Fit For Rams

              Originally posted by BM_Face View Post
              Is this made up? Suh had more than one eye-catching game obviously, look at his stats. Saying otherwise just makes this GM sound like a total and complete idiot.

              The most incredible part of Suh's game is that he was double teamed for the last half of the season, and he was still productive in tackles and sacks. He is tackling guys while being engaged by two o-line men.
              I agree the GM sounds a bit uneducated on the subject. You're from Nebraska though and only got it part right. He's been double teamed, at least, for two years.

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              • #8
                Re: OU's McCoy A Better Fit For Rams

                Originally posted by Ramzee View Post
                I agree the GM sounds a bit uneducated on the subject. You're from Nebraska though and only got it part right. He's been double teamed, at least, for two years.
                true they double teamed him last year and he still ended with 76 tackles
                and this year they doubled and tripled teamed suh every play and look at the production he has had.

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                • Nick
                  DTs Suh, McCoy have ability to go No. 1 in draft
                  by Nick
                  DTs Suh, McCoy have ability to go No. 1 in draftFeb. 27, 2010
                  By Chad Reuter
                  NFLDraftScout.com
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                  INDIANAPOLIS -- It's rare that a pair of defensive tackles get as much attention at the combine as the elite quarterbacks. Then again, Nebraska's Ndamukong Suh and Oklahoma's Gerald McCoy are rare talents.

                  Suh and McCoy are likely rated higher on many teams' boards than quarterbacks Sam Bradford (Oklahoma) and Jimmy Clausen (Notre Dame), a rarity in today's offense-happy NFL.

                  The St. Louis Rams and Detroit Lions have the top two picks, and could use McCoy and Suh on their porous defenses. But two questions remain:

                  Who is better? And is either worth taking in the top two selections?

                  Neither question is easily answered. Suh said on Saturday that he would be happy for his "good friend" McCoy if he went No. 1. But he added that he'd "definitely be disappointed with myself not getting it. I'm a competitor. I want to be No. 1. So that's what I'm going to strive for."

                  That attitude is just one of the reason teams like his game. But despite Suh finishing fourth in the Heisman voting (85 tackles, 24 for loss, 12 sacks) while riding the wave of a dominant performance against Texas in the Big 12 Championship Game, McCoy will be ranked higher on some boards because of his ability to explode into the backfield as a three-technique. His quick first step especially works well in a one-gap system where he is full-go from the snap.

                  Because he redshirted, McCoy could have entered the draft after the 2008 season and been a first-round pick. But there was little doubt after an All-American junior year (15.5 tackles for loss, six sacks) that he would take his game to the NFL. After McCoy made his decision to leave school early, Sooners head coach Bob Stoops said: "I've never been associated with a young man who was any more impressive than Gerald." That's pretty high praise, even coming from a head coach.

                  Suh can play any position on the line but is not quite as explosive off the snap. His strength and motor allow him to be extremely effective pressuring the passer (he had 26 quarterback hurries along with those 12 sacks), although there is some concern that NFL interior linemen won't give in as easily as college linemen did to his bull rush. Still, his exceptional stamina, manhandling of opponents using strong, quick hands that added to his length and closing speed make him a likely star in the NFL.

                  Suh said Oklahoma's scheme allowed McCoy to display his explosiveness more than Bo Pelini's scheme at Nebraska. The hesitation off the snap could very well be indicative of his need to handle multiple responsibilities in the Huskers defense.

                  "We played two different defenses, in my opinion. His defense was more or less, he had the freedom to...
                  -02-28-2010, 02:10 PM
                • rob6465
                  Monster D-tackles Suh, McCoy could emerge as NFL No. 1 pick
                  by rob6465
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                  -03-11-2010, 07:34 AM
                • AvengerRam_old
                  McCoy continues to annoy
                  by AvengerRam_old
                  The one comment (which I've read from a handful of fans and a couple of analysts) that I just don't get is the suggestion that Gerald McCoy should be taken before Ndamukong Suh.

                  Based on what?

                  Go and look up their stats (I've posted them before and I don't have the time of patience to pull them again). Its not even close. Suh's production is essentially double that of McCoy.

                  And what's the context of these stats? Two guys who play in the same conference against the same competition level. Two guys who are close to the same size.

                  I've heard some try to argue that McCoy has better technique. I don't see it. From what I've seen, Suh has great technique for a college player. But, even if McCoy had better technique, SUH DOUBLED HIS PRODUCTION! Imagine how Suh could produce if his technique develops further.

                  If the Rams ultimately decide that they need to take a QB with the first pick, I'll be disappointed, but at least I'd understand the thinking. After all, if that pick were to turn into a franchise QB, nobody would argue with it in the long run. Similarly, if the Rams trade down, I'll have misgivings, but I'd understand the logic.

                  I'll tell you this, though. If the Rams stay a pick No. 1 and take McCoy over Suh, you will hear a loud sound coming from the Southeast United States.

                  It will be me screaming "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!"
                  -01-26-2010, 07:25 AM
                • Bald_81
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                  He's basically enforcing what I've thought all along. Unless we trade down, there is no way I can see it being justified if we select a QB with the first overall pick....
                  -01-22-2010, 02:41 PM
                • 39thebeast
                  Spread and the transistion to the NFL
                  by 39thebeast
                  When you talk about the spread, most people talk about how it hurts a QBs transition to a pro system. That is true, but IMO it hurts defensive lineman just as much. Look at teams like Missouri and Texas Tech. who play with huge splits (space between lineman). Coming to the NFL you are most definately not going to see that. Both McCoy and Suh have taken advantage of this since almost all Big 12 teams. More concerning to me with McCoy because he did not dominate these guys as much as Suh did. In College especially against spread teams they are looking at smaller quicker guys, in the NFL they are looking at bigger stronger guys who are just as quick as those smaller guys. I guess this is a case against McCoy and for Suh. Even though the spread makes it tough to evaluate both the way Suh utterly dominated lower competition and ideal circumstances where McCoy was just Ok is disappointing. Suh literally quadrupled McCoys production against Texas. IMO if your going to play against those teams you better dominate
                  -02-17-2010, 10:44 PM
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