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    MTS's Daniel Jeremiah on The Rams Dilemma

    The Rams Dilemma

    Here is a simple Pros/Cons list for the Rams on Suh vs Bradford


    Suh- Pros
    Best player in the draft
    Rams don’t have a dominant interior DL
    High Character

    Suh- Cons
    Already have a ton of money invested in the DL
    Not a deep QB draft- Won’t be a QB worthy of the 33rd pick
    Can upgrade the DL in the 2nd round at cheaper price

    Bradford-Pros
    One of the most accurate QB’s to come out in the last 5 years
    Excellent intangibles (leader, worker, winner, smart)
    Team has a HUGE hole at the position and needs a face of the franchise

    Bradford-Cons
    Durability- Can he hold up to the NFL pounding with his narrow frame *I was shocked that he weighed in at 236 lbs today
    He doesn’t come out of a traditional NFL drop back offense
    Who is he going to throw to? Are they better off adding other pieces first before adding the QB?

    I have been a HUGE Suh fan over the last 2 years. I have mentioned before that I thought he was the best football player in last year’s draft. I think he is the best player in this draft as well. However, if you are a team without competent QB play, you are going to have a hard time winning NFL games. So the question the Rams have to answer is whether they should select a “really good” QB with durability issues or a “great” DT with limited risk.


    Move the Sticks is operated by former Baltimore Ravens and Cleveland Browns scout Daniel Jeremiah. He has six years of NFL scouting experience.
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    Re: MTS's Daniel Jeremiah on The Rams Dilemma

    I'd like to add to that, the weighted value of the positions and their level of need on this team. Both are needs but they level of need at QB at rams, versus the level of need at DT for the rams is rather lopsided considering the value of that position later in the draft versus that of QB, the importance of Qbs to win you football games, and even revenue sales.

    Bradford isn't really an Alex Smith type deal where we're getting an average QB super high because we need one, if he checks out, Bradford fits the bill..of the real deal. Has everything you ask for except consecutive starts.

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      Re: MTS's Daniel Jeremiah on The Rams Dilemma

      Originally posted by Bralidore(RAMMODE) View Post
      I'd like to add to that, the weighted value of the positions and their level of need on this team. Both are needs but they level of need at QB at rams, versus the level of need at DT for the rams is rather lopsided considering the value of that position later in the draft versus that of QB, the importance of Qbs to win you football games, and even revenue sales.

      Bradford isn't really an Alex Smith type deal where we're getting an average QB super high because we need one, if he checks out, Bradford fits the bill..of the real deal. Has everything you ask for except consecutive starts.
      And the ability to stay healthy.

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        Re: MTS's Daniel Jeremiah on The Rams Dilemma

        Originally posted by harrydog View Post
        And the ability to stay healthy.
        Suh had 2 knee surgeries during his college career.

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          Re: MTS's Daniel Jeremiah on The Rams Dilemma

          Originally posted by RebelYell View Post
          Suh had 2 knee surgeries during his college career.
          He's had clean health and two highly productive and active college seasons since the last trip under the knife. Not an issue.

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            Re: MTS's Daniel Jeremiah on The Rams Dilemma

            The Suh knee injury thing is IMO a non issue for Suh, ive watched quite a bit of Suh and havent seen any lingering effects. As far as Bradford, the only significant injury he has had recently is the shoulder, which with modern medicine, has proved to be a very treatable injury, with some QBs if i recall correctly saying their shoulder felt even stronger afterwards. I don't think I have to mention Brees who had a similar injury..

            The added weight that Bradford has put on...going from 212 his sophmore (or freshman?) year in college to a solid 236 certainly should help pad the walls so to speak, and keep him healthier.

            If he becomes a chad pennington in the league Ill be the first to say I was wrong and wear the dunce cap, but if we pass on him and he becomes a star, It'll be better for the Rams if they pick Suh and he becomes a star.

            A star quarterback is better for a team than a star any other position. We have a star runningback and won one game. I'm not saying a QB acn get it done alone, but a good one can elevate the play of his entire team. Manning willed his offense to score points all season and made his receivers some names, and a decent FA check if they were there. The last year Marc Bulger showed out we were a game or two away from the playoffs, ever year he sucked...we sucked, despite sjax and holt.

            As much as Ill be "what-if"ing myself when Suh gets into the league, Ill be crying if Bradford gets in and becomes great.

            Bradford is the guy if he checks out, almost a no brainer once one breaks it down.
            Last edited by Guest; -02-28-2010, 04:27 PM.

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            • dave626
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              How long do you guys think it will take for him to contribute? Will he spend a year or more on the sidelines?

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              The Claussen guy it seems most are split on.

              Suh ofcourse would start right away, but would he be a Long case? yaknow 2-3 years before he starts to be the guy we drafted. I like Long, his dad was a monster back when I was a raiders fan.

              Point is, even if we draft a QB, whos gonna be our QB NEXT year?

              I hope we get Suh and get a QB in FA, at least that way we see what we pay for this year.

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            • RamFan_Til_I_Die
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              I can't be the only one that gets annoyed by all these so called draft "experts" that change there mind like r8rh8rmike changes his underwear...about once a week. I'm going to use SI's main mock "expert" as an example. Not becuase he's the best, but because his past mocks are easy to find. H3e's just an example of what annoys me.

              Don Banks 2010 NFL Mock Drafts thusfar:

              Suh is a rock solid concensus as the surest thing. Sounds great, right?

              So roughly a month later, the day before the DT's do anything at the combine, the rock solid concensus is now split 50/50 and McCoy is our choice. Um ok. Nothing changed so why did his opinion?

              So because of one quote from Devaney, who is only making picks to save his job, we're now taking a QB in Stafford. Yeah ok, whatever you say Donny boy.

              Again implying they'll pick to stay employed rather than to make the pick that helps the team the most, while also covering his backside in case they don't pick Bradford. Pretty typical "expert" BS.

              Bradford had a good pro day so now it's a sure thing. OK now at this point I can see someone switching to Bradford as a possibility, but before no way. It just makes no sense. But even still what happened to Suh the "rock solid concensus as the surest thing.?"

              WOW. We sure did a 180 in two and a half months didn't we. First Suh is the "rock solid concensus as the surest thing" and now to take anyone but Bradford is "the kind of stunning turn of events we haven't seen in years."

              This is just one example of what annoys me about these "experts." McShay has flopped from Suh to Bradford also, while Kiper has flipped from Suh being "the most dominating defensive tackle I've seen in 32 years of doing this." to Clausen. It seems like they build up and exaggerate the plus side of whoever they want. For the longest time all we heard was Suh is a lock to go #1 to the Rams, and now it's a QB. Yes I know Blger is now gone, but these guys flopped to QBs while he was still here. Is it anything more than hype and these draft guys feeding off of each other that made Suh go from the guaranteed pick to now being the #2 DT behind McCoy in many people's eyes? I just don't get it. These guys annoy the crap out of me....
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            • AvengerRam_old
              Don't be that guy
              by AvengerRam_old
              Eventually, each of us will have to decide who we favor: Bradford or Suh/G.McCoy. We can only take one of these guys, and a choice will have to be made.

              If you find yourself in the Suh/.G.McCoy camp, that's fine. They are Blue Chip prospects at a premium position.

              If you decide that Bradford is the way to go, that's also fine. He is the concensus top QB in this draft.

              But, whoever you choose, don't make your point by needlessly tearing down the other player(s). I'm starting to see this on other boards... posters who support Suh/G.McCoy with over the top critiques of Bradford that make him sound like the second coming of Ryan Leaf... Bradford fans who are trying to convince everyone that Suh/G.McCoy are overrated players with high bust potential.

              Don't be that guy.

              These are all solid prospects and one can make a reasonable argument for any one of them (even G.McCoy - though I personally see Suh as vastly superior).

              This is NOT and easy decision. Even if it makes you feel better to argue that it is... it isn't.

              Seriously... don't be that guy.
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            • Bing69
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            • HUbison
              My final take on Bradford vs. Suh.
              by HUbison
              These thoughts will not change over the next month.......assuming neither of them molests a goat or some such thing. Here's a few things that I think will happen over the next decade (barring injury or end-of-the-world type stuff):

              Bradford will be a very good QB.

              Suh will be an elite DT.

              With Suh, the Rams defense will show serious improvement, including better ypa in the rush D, and more pressure on the QB. The offense won't change all that much.

              With Bradford, the Rams offense will show some improvement, but will require improvements to the receiving corp to make any large steps forward. The defense won't change much at all.




              I understand the QB choice. I do, I get it. And Bradford will be a really solid QB. He'll show it on his pro day; he'll make crisp accurate passes, he'll dazzle in interviews, he will demonstrate to franchises that he is an intelligent, articulate young man with all the intangibles you'd ever want.

              But he won't be the player that Suh will be.

              Bradford will walk into Rams Park, and on the practice field, he will make everyone believe that scientists cloned Phillip Rivers and Kurt Warner, combined the DNA, and out popped Sammy.

              But he won't raise the offense the way that Suh will raise the defense.

              With Bradford, his success will rely on other pieces. Will the receivers be able to separate so that his amazing accuracy can be demonstrated? Will the line protect him the way that his Oklahoma line (manned by 5 NFL lineman in 2008) protected him?

              With Suh, his success will not be as dependent on those around him. Rather the opposite. The DEs will see more lanes as Suh occupies the interior. Same for blitzers. The DBs will look better as pockets collapse and QBs have to rush passes.

              Bradford will be good.......but every draft has a "Bradford".
              Suh will be great........and there may be one "Suh" a decade. (Not my words, by the way.)

              So do we draft a Bradford, then wait a decade for the next Suh?
              Or do we draft Suh, and pick up next year's Bradford?



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              -03-12-2010, 10:33 AM
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