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  • Bradford vs. Suh

    Let's assume that both Bradford and Suh are ahead (and will stay ahead) of their positional counterparts, Clausen and McCoy.

    With that assumption in place, the decision comes down to: will Bradford be the better QB, or will Suh be the better DT? And by how much, relatively speaking?

    So I think we have to look not at where they are, but where they will be. Here's how I see it:

    Bradford's floor is Chad Pennington; his ceiling is Kurt Warner. Most likely......Matt Schaub

    Suh's floor is LaRoi Glover; his ceiling is John Randle. Most likely.....Warren Sapp.



    It just seems to me, when looking at that scale of potential/probability, the choice is Suh. Not scientific at all, of course, but just what I'm seein'.
    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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    Re: Bradford vs. Suh

    As I look back over my post, I can't help but think the two sides are going to see this argument in very different lights. Bradford vs. Suh will boil down to:

    Bradford supporter: Warner vs. Glover
    Suh supporter: Pennington vs. Randle.

    lol
    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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    • #3
      Re: Bradford vs. Suh

      Instead of who will be the best at his position I think the real debate should be...

      Which player will impact the teams chance of winning more?

      Do you still believe Defense can when a championship or do you have to have a great gunslinger?

      I personally think we have to have to have more offense.

      Here is the catch... Suh will have more impact in 2010 but Bradford will have more impact in 2011 and for several years to come.

      So I really, really like Suh but I tend to lean toward Bradford. If he is healthy of course.

      IMHO

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      • #4
        Re: Bradford vs. Suh

        For one when I see any of the qb's coming out this year I don't see Peyton Manning or Brett Favre. I see a bunch of guys with the skill levels that will top out at Carson Palmer,Schaub, and some Matt Leinarts. In my opinion which mean squat this qb draft class seems pretty average. That is why I dont want to see the Rams take a qb 1st because I dont see that much seperation from Bradford to Pike. I think they will both be mid level second tier qb's. The one guy I thought had franchise talent decided to stay in school, Jake Locker. If Locker had come out I would have wanted the Rams to take him first. He puts up numbers with no talent around him. I want the Rams to take Suh only because I think they can find a qb in the second round that will be just as good as Bradford or Clausen will ever be. Also why do we need a star qb? If there isnt a sure star qb in the first round why not build this team with a great defense? Why not model after the Ravens and go defense and just bring in a free agent qb to manage the offense?
        Aim high Willis, Aim High!

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        • #5
          Re: Bradford vs. Suh

          Originally posted by Rambunctious View Post
          Instead of who will be the best at his position I think the real debate should be...

          Which player will impact the teams chance of winning more?

          Do you still believe Defense can when a championship or do you have to have a great gunslinger?

          I personally think we have to have to have more offense.

          Here is the catch... Suh will have more impact in 2010 but Bradford will have more impact in 2011 and for several years to come.

          So I really, really like Suh but I tend to lean toward Bradford. If he is healthy of course.

          IMHO
          Umm, I don't know, Rambunctious.........first, I'm not convinced that Bradford's impact would have longer legs than Suh. But more importantly, I think the impact each would provide is on two different levels.

          As I alluded to in my original post, I don't see it as Bradford vs. Suh; I think it's Chad Pennington vs. John Randle. Or more likely Matt Schaub vs. Warren Sapp.

          That seems pretty clear to me, but just my perspective of course.
          The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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          • #6
            Re: Bradford vs. Suh

            don't you think a lot goes into if the Rams like either Pike or McCoy at all.

            If they do, they can take Suh/McCoy/Okung or trade down and pick up

            Pike or McCoy in round 2.

            I think Pike and Jarrett Brown have to get serious consideration in Round 2 and 3.

            If Rams think only Bradford and Clausen are starting QB's than the won't pass on either in round 1.

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            • #7
              Re: Bradford vs. Suh

              The Rams point blank need to take the best player available on their board period...

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              • #8
                Re: Bradford vs. Suh

                I don't know that I consider Matt Schaub as a bad thing...The impact Schaub has had on the Texans is quite impressive and at this rate I'd be happy with half of that, given our offensive offense.
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                • #9
                  Re: Bradford vs. Suh

                  Originally posted by bruce4life View Post
                  The Rams point blank need to take the best player available on their board period...
                  I'm never much of a fan of this reasoning, simply because I think franchises place paramount importance on addressing positions of need, but this year it really makes sense. If you have the first overall pick, and the two players you could choose will inadvertently both address positions of need, then the most logical thing to do is to take the best player on your board.

                  Originally posted by BrokenWing View Post
                  I don't know that I consider Matt Schaub as a bad thing...The impact Schaub has had on the Texans is quite impressive and at this rate I'd be happy with half of that, given our offensive offense.
                  Wouldn't it be just dandy if we had Andre Johnson and Owen Daniels for our own Schaub to throw to?

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                  • #10
                    Re: Bradford vs. Suh

                    I've been on the fence (and perhaps even slight qb lean) of late, of who I'd like to see at #1.


                    I'll have Suh. He's just too good to 'pass' up.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Bradford vs. Suh

                      This is what I was so concerned about coming in. While meaningful football was being played, the pick was Suh. Now all of a sudden, w/o any meaningful football being played, the pick becomes Bradford

                      What has changed? Bradford took his shirt off and displayed an extra 10 pounds of muscle?

                      Are we going to make our pick on that?
                      The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Bradford vs. Suh

                        Hub, I think Bradford's pro day will make or break whether or not he's the first pick of the draft.
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                        • #13
                          Re: Bradford vs. Suh

                          I do not think there is anything Bradford can do to go #1 overall. Even if he checks out medically, and throws the ball all over the field on Pro day, he has not shown the durability to start.
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                          • #14
                            Re: Bradford vs. Suh

                            Originally posted by Varg6 View Post
                            Hub, I think Bradford's pro day will make or break whether or not he's the first pick of the draft.
                            Yet, there's so much talk NOW about him being the choice.
                            The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Bradford vs. Suh

                              Originally posted by HUbison View Post
                              Yet, there's so much talk NOW about him being the choice.
                              It's internet talk and rumors.

                              How do you know Suh won't be the next Glen Dorsey? Or Carriker?

                              Other than internet banter, how can we predict Gerald McCoy isn't going to be ranked higher than Suh in the end?

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                              • HUbison
                                My final take on Bradford vs. Suh.
                                by HUbison
                                These thoughts will not change over the next month.......assuming neither of them molests a goat or some such thing. Here's a few things that I think will happen over the next decade (barring injury or end-of-the-world type stuff):

                                Bradford will be a very good QB.

                                Suh will be an elite DT.

                                With Suh, the Rams defense will show serious improvement, including better ypa in the rush D, and more pressure on the QB. The offense won't change all that much.

                                With Bradford, the Rams offense will show some improvement, but will require improvements to the receiving corp to make any large steps forward. The defense won't change much at all.




                                I understand the QB choice. I do, I get it. And Bradford will be a really solid QB. He'll show it on his pro day; he'll make crisp accurate passes, he'll dazzle in interviews, he will demonstrate to franchises that he is an intelligent, articulate young man with all the intangibles you'd ever want.

                                But he won't be the player that Suh will be.

                                Bradford will walk into Rams Park, and on the practice field, he will make everyone believe that scientists cloned Phillip Rivers and Kurt Warner, combined the DNA, and out popped Sammy.

                                But he won't raise the offense the way that Suh will raise the defense.

                                With Bradford, his success will rely on other pieces. Will the receivers be able to separate so that his amazing accuracy can be demonstrated? Will the line protect him the way that his Oklahoma line (manned by 5 NFL lineman in 2008) protected him?

                                With Suh, his success will not be as dependent on those around him. Rather the opposite. The DEs will see more lanes as Suh occupies the interior. Same for blitzers. The DBs will look better as pockets collapse and QBs have to rush passes.

                                Bradford will be good.......but every draft has a "Bradford".
                                Suh will be great........and there may be one "Suh" a decade. (Not my words, by the way.)

                                So do we draft a Bradford, then wait a decade for the next Suh?
                                Or do we draft Suh, and pick up next year's Bradford?



                                Look, I'm not saying Bradford isn't worth the #1 pick......if Suh weren't in it. Take Suh out of the draft, and Bradford is the #1 pick (though McCoy fans would have their valid points as well). So, no, I'm not going to complain about drafting Bradford at #1. In any ordinary year, he is a #1 pick.

                                I'm just saying that with Suh available, this isn't an "ordinary" year.

                                I'm sure Bradford will do fine. But I would be lying if I said his long-term health isn't a concern. The Rams have protected their QB with a sack % of 7.5% to 8.0% over the past few years. But he's coming from an offense that protected him with a sack % of 2.7%. And even then (as Nick has pointed out),...
                                -03-12-2010, 11:33 AM
                              • Guest's Avatar
                                Bradford vs. SUH
                                by Guest
                                Ok hypothetically let's say we take Bradford and another team takes Suh.. training camp rolls around and the season starts and the team that drafted SUH comes to town and Bradford has been having a Warner like first couple of weeks throwing the ball and managing the team like the beginning of the 1999 season... Second play of the second Quarter, play action pass Bradford fakes to Jackson and SUH bull rushes, throws Grecco to the side and has a clear shot at Bradford. For the first split second Bradford doesn't see him while making his progression and BAM!! SUH lays a "house of spears" hit on Bradford whish sends him flying into the turf landing akward on the turf rolling around in pain grabbing his shoulder... What would be the first thing through your head ..........?
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                                We should of taken SUH
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                                RAMS bad luck strikes again
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                                I'm jumping in the river
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                                I'm gonna stop watching football Forever!!
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                                -03-30-2010, 04:44 AM
                              • ramhard
                                Bradford vs. Suh
                                by ramhard
                                I think this season is a great example of how drafting is as much about fit as it is about talent. There was a heavy debate on Suh vs. Bradford. Both are having great years so far. Suh has been downright amazing, and from a stat perspective, you could even argue that Suh is having a better rookie year at DT (he is a leader in many DT stats - e.g. 8th in league in sacks, leading all DT's in sacks, 1 interception and 1 fumble recovery for a TD as a DT), than Bradford is having at QB. Yet, the choice of Bradford was best for the Rams and Suh will be a beast for the Lions for years to come.
                                -11-01-2010, 11:01 AM
                              • RamsSB99
                                Who do you want the Rams to take if we stay #1 Suh or Bradford?
                                by RamsSB99
                                Less then 24 hours to go I wanted to see where the Clan stood on the Bradford vs. Suh debate just before the draft. Who do you want to see the Rams take at #1? Don't vote for who you think they want vote for who you want.
                                Bradford
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                                -04-21-2010, 06:02 PM
                              • jerseyramsfan
                                Bradford of Suh ?
                                by jerseyramsfan
                                After last season I wanted the Rams to finish near the bottom to have a shot at Sam Bradford. Well now a year later my wish for a franchise QB is a reality. But all I've been hearing about is how Suh is the best DT to come out in decades. Man now I'm really torn. Lets get some discussion going between the two players...
                                -01-03-2010, 03:17 PM
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