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If this question were asked a couple of months ago, I think Colt McCoy would have won hands down. Now... not so sure.
Let's see how this turns out...
Let's see how this turns out...
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51Colt McCoy, Texas31.37%16Dan LeFevour, Central Michigan47.06%24Tony Pike, Cincinnati5.88%3Tim Tebow, Florida11.76%6Someone else (who?)3.92%2 -
Re: Who is the 3rd Best (or... the best Day 2) QB in the Draft?
McCoy is a nice QB but he has no upside, LeFevour is the 3rd best QB in the 2010 draft class. -
Re: Who is the 3rd Best (or... the best Day 2) QB in the Draft?
LeFevour is the biggest dissappointment and will slip and I don't think he will ever start a game in the NFL.
Pike is big, tall, accurate, smart and has great pocket pressance.
Big guys like this seem to succeed if they are accurate passers which I think Pike definately is.
Pike will need a year but has huge upside. I think he won't do anything great in year 1, and start slow in year 2 but his career will take off and he will be the best talent of all the QB's.Comment
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Re: Who is the 3rd Best (or... the best Day 2) QB in the Draft?
How has Lefevour been a disappointment so far? I agree that Tony pike could be a good QB but I still think Lefevour is the 3rd best QB with Pike 4th.Originally posted by richtree View PostComment
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Re: Who is the 3rd Best (or... the best Day 2) QB in the Draft?
Im also wondering why rich thinks Lefevour has been a disappointment? You havent seen him do anything besides run the 40, in which he ran a 4.66. If anything Pike has been the disappointment as he threw fairly poorly and hasn't added any weight to his questionable frame.Comment
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Re: Who is the 3rd Best (or... the best Day 2) QB in the Draft?
yeah i thought Pike was rising but maybe LeFevour made a good decision not to throw at the combine as a poor showing is dropping Pike down@EssexRam_Comment
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Re: Who is the 3rd Best (or... the best Day 2) QB in the Draft?
I'm a big Pike fan, but I think when you consider that magical thing known as upside, Tebow will be the 3rd best QB. Don't know if I like him or not, but the fact that he is re-tooling his game for the NFL makes him a real wild card. If he can get a pro delivery figured out, who knows what could happen?Comment
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Re: Who is the 3rd Best (or... the best Day 2) QB in the Draft?
I think LeFevour grabs that title. I say we go Suh, (then whoever, preferably if Sean Weatherspoon drops down here, or if McCluster moves up, or even LeFevour here) then third either LeFevour or McCluster.Comment
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Re: Who is the 3rd Best (or... the best Day 2) QB in the Draft?
The interesting thing is that, when McCoy was considered the third best QB, many advocated taking him at #33. If LeFevour is, in fact, the best option outside of Bradford and Clausen, he might not last until the third round.
Anyone ready to make LeFevour the 33rd pick in the draft.
I'm not sure about that one yet.Comment
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Re: Who is the 3rd Best (or... the best Day 2) QB in the Draft?
Me neither. I also like Colt McCoy though. He is a winner, and thats exactly what we need here. He is also a good fit into the WCO, with good accuracy but not the greatest power.Comment
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Re: Who is the 3rd Best (or... the best Day 2) QB in the Draft?
I've still got Colt up there. I was a bit disappointed that he didn't throw at the Combine, but Tebow and LeFevour weren't even recovering from injuries and they didn't throw either. Otherwise, McCoy was a four year starter and only missed time due to injury in his final college game. He took over the starting job in Vince Young's shadow and rose to the occasion. He set a single season record for completion percentage and led his team in rushing the same year. A lot of times, guys set those records against lesser competition, which makes that much more of an accomplishment that he did it in the Big 12. He's not the athlete that Tebow is, nor the refined passer that Bradford is, but I like the combination of skills he possesses. If he shows a strong enough arm at his pro day, I'd still feel pretty good about taking him in round 2.Comment
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Re: Who is the 3rd Best (or... the best Day 2) QB in the Draft?
Originally posted by sosa39rams View Post
Are we running the WCO because we WANT to run it, or because we don't have the personal to open up the offense.Comment
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Re: Who is the 3rd Best (or... the best Day 2) QB in the Draft?
Right now I give the slight edge to McCoy but hate to admit that Tebow closed the gap in my opinion.
I think Pike or Tebow can move in front of Colt depending on which one impresses the most during their pro day.
If Tebow does well during his work out and is willing to go off script I can actually see him as a realistic possibility if he makes it to 33.
I can also see Pike there if he shows he is serious by putting on a few pounds and throwing well.
I'm not sure how anyone can think LeFevour's stock increased. He ran a really good 40 but declined to throw. It seems like he had a chance to shine but elected to stay in the shadows. Doesn't give me a lot of confidence in him stepping on to the big stage.Comment
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Re: Who is the 3rd Best (or... the best Day 2) QB in the Draft?
That makes no sense. How are we all of a sudden in love with LeFevour. The combine isn't the only day those QB's are throwing. Its not like we have never seen LeFevour throwing or in a real game situation. You can watch game film and if your not convinced, then you can say " the combine is his last and only chance". Although you did not technically say that.
Scouts don't only study off of your combine results, but also anywhere they seen you hold a football.Comment
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Re: Who is the 3rd Best (or... the best Day 2) QB in the Draft?
Here's what frustrates me...
McCoy is physically 100% but decided not to throw at the combine. What was supposed to be a two-week injury has now taken over a month to heal, apparently is healed, but he's sitting out.
LeFevour is fine physically and has momentum from the Senior Bowl, but is holding off on throwing to receivers until his pro day. He probably had the most to gain by coming out and throwing when so many others weren't, but he took a pass.
This presented Pike with a great opportunity to come out and wow people as the best passer, but the reviews I've read were not great. Quoting Scout's Adam Caplan, "Scout.com talked to several personnel evaluators during and after the workout who said Pike lost some draft value because of his disappointing workout."
So my question to the second tier of quarterbacks after Bradford and Clausen is this: WHO WANTS IT? Somebody show me something! Heck, my boy Jarrett Brown might be having the best Senior Bowl and Combine of all of the guys participating. Maybe he wants it the most?
I don't know, but I'm starting to wonder if this year's QB class is going to come off the board in a similar manner to the 2008 class - one guy goes high in the first (Bradford), one guy goes in the middle of the first (Clausen), and the next guy doesn't come off the board until the late second (???).Comment
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As I read more and more posts advocating the selection of Jimmy Clausen because he is regarded as the best QB prospect (or, at least, in the top 2 with Bradford, if healthy), I asked myself this question...
How often does the first QB selected in the draft prove to be the best QB?
To answer this, I looked at the drafts from 1997-2007 (a fairly easy task thanks to Wikipedia) to see how often the first QB selected proved to be the most effective pro (I stopped there, as it is a bit too soon to evaluate the QBs from the last two drafts).
Here's what I found:
Year/First QB Selected/Best Pro (round selected)
1997 Jim Druckenmiller/Jake Delhomme (U)
Not a very good QB year. Jake Plummer was a 2nd round pick, but I think Delhomme has had a better career. Druckenmiller never caught on.
1998 Peyton Manning/Peyton Manning (1)
By selecting Manning over Ryan Leaf, the Colts obtained not only the best QB in the draft, but the best in the decade.
1999 Tim Couch/Donovan McNabb (1)
Reverse of 1998. The best QB was the second pick, while the first one selected was a major disappointment.
2000 Chad Pennington/Tom Brady (6)
Pennington, a mid-first round pick, has been good, but Brady has been a true late round find.
2001 Michael Vick/Drew Brees (2)
Brees may not have reached his peak yet, while Vick is trying to comeback from his low point.
2002 David Carr/David Garrard (4)
Not a good QB draft.
2003 Carson Palmer/Carson Palmer (1)
Palmer lived up to his draft status. Notable, though, that the next best QB in 2003, Tony Romo, was undrafted.
2004 Eli Manning/Ben Roethlisberger (1)
Great QB draft. Big Ben edges Eli and Philip Rivers, but its close.
2005 Alex Smith/Aaron Rogers (1)
These two were evenly ranked at the end of the college season. Classic example of paralysis by analysis.
2006 Vince Young/Jay Cutler (1)
Still early, but right now I'd have to give the edge to Cutler over Young and certainly Matt Leinart.
2007 Jamarcus Russell/Trent Edwards (3)
Another bad QB draft. Edwards is no prize, but he's been better than the train wreck that is Russell.
So... in these 11 drafts, the best QB has only been the first QB taken on two occasions!
What does this mean for the 2010 draft? Well, let's not overstate it... each year and each player stands alone. That said, I'd be careful to boldly pronounce that Clausen (or Bradford) is CLEARLY the best QB in the draft.
For all we know, it could end up being Colt McCoy... or Dan LeFevour... or Levi Brown... or Tony Pike... or Sean Canfield... (heck, it could even be Tim Tebow - I doubt it, but you can't rule it out!).-01-21-2010, 03:32 PM -
This could be true , after seeing the exabition that JOE put on , i would have to say , from what i saw at the head to head competition , FLACCO was clearly the winner , and not by a close margin . his manueverability , arm strength , and accuracy , must have pushed him up into the front of the 2nd rd. and maybe late 1st . he should be the 2nd QB off the boards . it there is a QB that the rams should come away with , it's FLACCO . even HENNE would be a decent fit , has good arm strenth . after 1-2 years of getting the system , he could be a legitimate starter in the league .-02-11-2008, 09:33 AM -
According to Mel Kiper Jr., the top 5 senior QB's are as follows:
1. Colt McCoy, QB, Texas
2. Tim Tebow, QB, Florida
3. Dan Lefevour, QB, Central Michigan
4. Tony Pike, QB, Cincinnati
5. Sean Canfield, QB, Oregon State
I believe a few of you may be suprised by this order, and whether you are a fan of his Kiper or not, he does seem to have acces to what many NFL teams are looking for when it comes to the draft. Now this draft order is current (1/8/10), and of course we will have to wait until the combine to see who's stock falls, who's rises, and who simply falls off of the face of the earth.
Now since we have the #1 pick in almost every round, baring a monumental improvement by these five men, they will all be available in the 2nd round for us & if necessary the 3rd or 4th. Now I know many of you are Pike fans, and some of you favor McCoy or Lefevour. Some of you even believe in the magic that is Tim Tebow (as I do), but we obviously need to look towards our QB of the future. I believe we start Bulger this season for many reasons most notably being financial, but we do need to start grooming the successor.
With that being said my fellow clam members, who from these 5 men would you want behind center as the #2 or #3 QB(provided that we move Null up to #2, or pick up another free agent in the off-season)?-01-08-2010, 12:34 PM -
Let's see where the overall opinions fall...An above-average set of receivers.0An above-average offensive line.6Both an above-average receiving corps and O line.12Either an above-average receiving corps and O line, but not necessarily both.10None of the above. A great QB will succeed even with average (or worse) players around him.6-09-15-2012, 08:18 AM
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After seeing everybody play in Mobile, and keeping everything in mind (estimated draft position, etc.) if we are to draft a qb in this draft I think it comes down to three players.
Colt McCoy
Tony Pike
Dan Lefevour
I know the Clausen and Bradford supporters might come out and state their case, but I honestly don't think the value of either supercedes (1) taking the BPA at #1 (or even at #3 as some want), which they certainly are not (2) the difference in ability from the three above players.
Personally, while I wouldn't be disappointed seeing us draft McCoy at the top of the second, if he's there, again I think the same principle as above comes into play in the second and there is too little difference in value between McCoy and Pike and Lefevour to bypass the bevy of talent likely available at that slot.
Therefore, hoping (and praying) either Pike or Lefevour is available in the third I take the remaining qb in the third and I think we have our qb of the future. Either of which I would be plenty happy with. As always, its a roll of the dice drafting a qb, but I think this situation will maximize value while minimizing the risk associated with drafting a qb and allowing us to fulfill other important holes along the way.-01-31-2010, 02:29 AM
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