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Is it possible for us to go mainly Offense with our first 3 picks?
Is it possible for us to go mainly Offense with our first 3 picks?
I understand the need at DE and WLB but our offense was horrible last year. And at this point its tough watching the Rams i mean last year how many boring games did i have to sit though? The most exciting parts (aside from a TD) was steven jackson 1st down run or Gibby making a nice leaping catch. And those did not happen too often.
Our passing game is straight awful.
So do you think we should get a QB, Clutch 3rd down possession WR, then a TE in that order of the draft?
I remember last year how we were having discussion about getting an OT then have the rest of the draft all Defense. Last year we were focusing mainly on D.
Re: Is it possible for us to go mainly Offense with our first 3 picks?
I think we have enough holes that we have the luxury (?) of choosing BPA pretty much through the draft. If that happens to be offense, I'd have no problem with it (although I do want Suh if we remain at #1). Like you said, our offense last year was terrible, and it was our defense that was keeping us in any game that we had a shot of winning. But I don't want to pass on a great DE prospect for a mediocre TE one just because of which side of the ball he plays on.
And unfortunately for you at least, it seems that defense is the strength of this draft, so you probably won't get your wish.
Re: Is it possible for us to go mainly Offense with our first 3 picks?
It certainly is a possibility.
Let's say the Rams take Bradford first. Who will be the BPA at pick #33. Maybe Jahvid Best. Maybe Demaryius Thomas. Maybe an OT.
So let's say the Rams go Bradford, then Thomas.
Who would be the BPA in Round 3. Maybe Montario Hardesty. Maybe Ben Tate. Again... maybe an OT.
The Rams are not going to fill every need in this draft, so they have to just focus on getting better. Also, don't forget that some of the holes could be filled in FA before the draft.
Re: Is it possible for us to go mainly Offense with our first 3 picks?
We need so much, that any legit 1st round talent that falls to the second round, the Rams are sure to snatch up.
Sadly, I'd go for a reciever in the 2nd, like Lafell, Golden Tate, etc. But I suspect Sean Weatherspoon would be rated higher than these recievers and he has a good chance of slipping. So the odds of getting him are pretty high. I dont like it, but I'm just saying it like it is.
Re: Is it possible for us to go mainly Offense with our first 3 picks?
I do think its possible if we draft Bradford first. I was going to start a thread with an all offensive first five rounds before I saw you thread. I know that is not realistic but here would be what we might be able to get with an extra second round pick for Barron (wishfull thinking) as well.
1. Sam Bradford QB 6’4 225 2A. Jahvid Best RB 5’10 200 4.35 40 2B. Demaryius Thomas WR 6’3 230 3. Rob Gronkowski TE 6’6 265 / Aaron Hernandez TE 6’2 250 / Jimmy Graham 6’6 260 (IMO 1 of first 2 could fall) 4. Jared Veldheer OT 6’9 321 (5.0 40) (32 bench reps) 5. Mitch Petrus OG 6’4 315 (5.1 40) (45 bench reps)
Offense:
QB- Bradford 6'4 225
RB-Jackson 6'2 235 and Best 5'10 200
FB-Karney 5'11 260
TE-Gronkowski 6'6 265
WR-Laurent Robinson 6'2 195 and Thomas 6'3 230
WR-Avery 5'11 185 and Gibson 6'1 205
LT-Jason Smith 6'5 305
LG-Bell 6'4 295
C-Brown 6'3 320
RG-Greco 6'4 315 and Petrus 6'4 315
RT-Goldberg 6'7 320 and Veldheer 6'9 321
I agree DE and WLB are our two biggest needs on D and possibly CB if Fletcher has problems. I would not mind us signing or resigning veterans for those spots and draft offense this year. I still want Suh #1 but if we went Bradford I would not care if we had a heavy offensive draft.
Re: Is it possible for us to go mainly Offense with our first 3 picks?
Could we? Yes.
Would it be smart? Probably not. Just because our defense is our "better" unit doesn't mean we can slap a couple of late round picks on the unit as a bandaid and call it good. They lack the consistency (even in the first half) to be relied upon while our offense attempts to figure out what its doing during the odd remotely successful drive.
Re: Is it possible for us to go mainly Offense with our first 3 picks?
If I had my way, we'd make a trade to 3 to Tampa for their second rounder and the draft would go like this.
1- Sam Bradford
2- Sean Weatherspoon
2- Demaryius Thomas
3- Dexter McCluster
4- Brandon Lang (DE, Troy)
5- Ciron Black (RT)
5- Trade to Denver for Tony Sheffler
I think that would be a draft that would give me full blown wood.
There is some logic to drafting heavy on offense this year. Offense usually takes a little longer to gel than defense, so starting the offense now, then focusing on defense next season might make sense.
Re: Is it possible for us to go mainly Offense with our first 3 picks?
Originally posted by rams_man13
If I had my way, we'd make a trade to 3 to Tampa for their second rounder and the draft would go like this.
1- Sam Bradford
2- Sean Weatherspoon
2- Demaryius Thomas
3- Dexter McCluster
4- Brandon Lang (DE, Troy)
5- Ciron Black (RT)
5- Trade to Denver for Tony Sheffler
I think that would be a draft that would give me full blown wood.
There is some logic to drafting heavy on offense this year. Offense usually takes a little longer to gel than defense, so starting the offense now, then focusing on defense next season might make sense.
...drafting mostly defense next season makes sense? Forgot about the little detail that this is one of the best defensive drafts in decades? Patience... offense will come around, but lets not loose our heads.
I got 3 concerns about your mock draft:
1) Bradford was playing behind an awesome O-line in college (Fact). The NFL is 100x faster, more brutal, and we have no line to speak of (Fact). I dont know what you think Bradford is gonna do differently than Bulger. You cant blame Bulger for getting crap beat out of him. You're adrdessing issues out of order. Fix the line before you bring in a new QB.
2) Demaryius Thomas is a big target yes, but there's more to the position than being big and fast. How is his route running? Did he have to rely on any other skills other than his size? There might be a transition problem here. Rams don't need another project WR, we need a legit #1 talent.
3) This is the exact opposite of the Demaryius Thomas issue. McCluster has a lot of talent but no beef to absorb the shock of getting hit. He's like 165lbs! There are RB's in high school who weigh more than that. Rams have enough injury issues, we can't take the chance.
I want to see our offense apologize to our defense for their actions on the field yesterday. Let's face it, offense and special teams gave up more points than our D did. And they only allowed 250 yards total offense, which isn't too shabby.
Don't get me wrong, the D wasn't flawless out there either, but if I had to pick a group of guys to dump, it would be the offense, hands down.
I have watched the Rams struggle this season as most of you have, and have studied various aspects of the team from one game to the next. This has led me to several conclusions including what positions we are likely to draft and in which round. Remember, this is merely speculation, and I may be wrong. Hopefully, some of you will use this opportunity to discuss this, and maybe, just maybe, we can have a real discussion without usage of the word "sucks" in any form.
Round 1: Wide Reciever. Scream all you want about cornerbacks and quarterbacks, our corners are NOT the worst in the league, and neither is our QB...not even our backups. Our wide reciever corps, however, is not only thin, but is lacking a true threat. Robinson is, or should I say was, our best WR, but he was never looked at as a true threat. We need a Henry Ellard, an Issac Bruce. Once we get this, our offense will improve by 50% before he ever hits the field.
Rd. 2: OLB. Right now, it's the "Son of Animal show". Laurinaitis is doing great at his position, especially for a rookie. Without Spoon, he is working basically by himself, with backups on each side. We need to find a big, fast, bruising linebacker to improve our front seven.
Rd. 3: Offensive Lineman. We need a guard/tackle. Chances are, Barron will be gone next year, Smith will be on the left, and ????? will be on the right. Bell is okay at LG, but OK isn't good enough. We need someone who can move like a ninja that eats a side of beef at every meal - raw - to shore up our OL and open holes for SJ.
Rd. 4: Running Back. We can't expect Seven to carry this team all season long and be ready to do it again next year unless he has someone helping him. If we had another RB, someone that did the things he can't do - avoid the defenders instead of running over them, sneak around a tackle instead of breaking them...then we could have a real tandem at RB, and our opponents would have a hard time covering both of them.
Rd. 5: Cornerback. We are thin there, but this is one position we can wait 'til later to fill. Why? Well, if our front seven are solid enough (and I think they could be next year), the secondary will be just that - secondary. Add to this a POTENT offense that scores points, which the three above additions can make - and the secondary becomes almost... tertiary. Of course, we'd be going after a vet CB in free agency, so this will help a lot.
Rds 6 & 7: BPA, because we have need for the best available. Argue that point...lol.
This won't fill all the holes, and no, it doesn't include a QB. I still think Bulger is good for at least one more year, and we also have this neat little thing call free agency we can use to fill spots.
Interestingly enough when former "offensive coordinator" Scott Linehan took over as our Headcoach, we selected a defensive player with all of our first round picks. Tye Hill (2006), Adam Carriker (2007) & Chris Long (2008).
It seemed that Linehan's focus or the front office? I'm not sure which? Maybe both? Was on improving our defense through the draft and free agency.
Well we have failed miserably!!!!
Is it time to shift gears and go back to what made our team a playoff contender?
Oh yah still smarting from what wasn't in 07, I still find myself waiting on what moves the Rams will make for 08....nothing earth shaking yet besides some coaching changes.
So what will it be on offense? Having heard that the Rams may go more for a run-style offense; yet still an assemblence of a core for a passing offense remains. Or do we really need to wait and see till after the draft?
I don't think anyone would argue we are in a complete rebuilding phase with neither the offense or defense being particularly good. With so many needs on both sides of the ball and only so much money to spend it's near impossible to build a team that has a top notch offense and defense. Let's assume we are cleaning house and keeping Devaney and very little else, who do you want us to bring in and what direction do you want this team to go in?
Whichever way we go I think we have to address our O-line and go OT with our first pick, where we go after that though will depend heavily on what our front office sees the future of this team to look like.
We could try to get back to our GSOT days and hire an Offensive coordinator like Josh McDaniels (Patriots) or Jason Garrett (Cowboys) as our head coach and try to trade for a top tier WR that is looking to get away from his current team like Aquan Boldin or Ocho Cinco, or pick up an UFA like T.J. Houshmandzadeh or Devery Henderson? We would probably also have to draft a QB of the future in round 3 or above if we went this route.
Where I would like to see us go, and have always wanted for the Rams and admired other teams for, is to be a defensive juggernaut with a servicable offense, where defense and ball control wins your games. It's not sexy, but it works (see Tennessee, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Minnesota) Obviously our defense is anything but stellar, and we would need a major overhaul to get this done. To do this we'll need to bring in a defensive guru as our head coach, someone like Steve Spagnuolo (Giants), Jim Schwartz (Tennessee), Rex Ryan (Baltimore) or Bill Cowher even. Bringing in UFAs Albert Haynesworth or Terrell Suggs could be a very real possibility if their respective DC were to be hired here. Brian Dawkins (S - Eagles) or even Nnamdi Asomugha (CB - Raiders) would be possible targets as well.
Minus the line problems I think we have the pieces in place on offense to make this work. We have a solid power back in Jackson who can get a lot done on the ground and keep the T.O.P. in our favor. We have Bulger who is good enough when given time to get the job done, if INTs can be limited. We have a solid TE in McMichael, and a good core of young WRs and Holt at #1 to solidify that group. Again, except for the O-line and maybe a 4th round or later QB of the future pick, I don't see any need to spend any draft picks or pick up any FA's on the offensive side of the ball.
So what do you guys want the future Rams team to look like?
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