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    It is no secret on these forums that I like Michael Vick. I have taken much heat, and 100% of my negative rep is due to the fact that I admitedly supported trading for him aggresively. When Vick first came into the league I was 11 years old, and loved his style of play. He instantly became my favorite player in the NFL, and regardless of what he has done still is; i love watching him play. But anyways, now that I have explained my reasoning here is the root of the post:

    Today while I was driving it kind of hit my mind; Four years down the road, Michael Vick will be 34 years old, and likely retiring shortly thereafter. Whereas Sam Bradford will be 26 and entering the prime of his career. It would be great for my own selfish reasons to see my favorite player QB the Rams, but after thinking about it.........

    I want Sam Bradford to have an awesome pro day, and want the Rams to draft him first overall. I think this kid has the "IT" factor, and is going to be one of the top tier QBs in the NFL. We've gone D-Line 2 out of the last 3 years; but have not taken a Franchise QB since 1967. Kurt Warner is a RARE find. He set us up for a few years (got rid of him wayyyyyyyy to soon, clearly). And yes, Marc Bulger gave us a few "good years" but never led us to anything more than a wild-card victory.

    Sam Bradford is going to have a great career, and is going to be a winner in the NFL.

    How shocked are you all?

    Go Rams.:helmet:

  • #2
    Re: Epiphany

    Originally posted by THOLTFAN81 View Post
    It is no secret on these forums that I like Michael Vick. I have taken much heat, and 100% of my negative rep is due to the fact that I admitedly supported trading for him aggresively. When Vick first came into the league I was 11 years old, and loved his style of play. He instantly became my favorite player in the NFL, and regardless of what he has done still is; i love watching him play. But anyways, now that I have explained my reasoning here is the root of the post:

    Today while I was driving it kind of hit my mind; Four years down the road, Michael Vick will be 34 years old, and likely retiring shortly thereafter. Whereas Sam Bradford will be 26 and entering the prime of his career. It would be great for my own selfish reasons to see my favorite player QB the Rams, but after thinking about it.........

    I want Sam Bradford to have an awesome pro day, and want the Rams to draft him first overall. I think this kid has the "IT" factor, and is going to be one of the top tier QBs in the NFL. We've gone D-Line 2 out of the last 3 years; but have not taken a Franchise QB since 1967. Kurt Warner is a RARE find. He set us up for a few years (got rid of him wayyyyyyyy to soon, clearly). And yes, Marc Bulger gave us a few "good years" but never led us to anything more than a wild-card victory.

    Sam Bradford is going to have a great career, and is going to be a winner in the NFL.

    How shocked are you all?

    Go Rams.:helmet:
    You have no idea how happy everyone is to see the you say this

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    • #3
      Re: Epiphany

      Bradford may be good. But what makes you think Bradford wont get beat down like Bulger has been in every game for the last 6-7 years? Can he throw off his back?

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      • #4
        Re: Epiphany

        our offensive line is no longer as bad as people say it is. It was bad, it was very bad, but this year it was alot better until the main people went down with injuries. Not to say it's top of the line either, but eventually we need to stop fielding something other than broken down/ bad quarterbacks.

        It's not 1920. We can't just run the ball.
        "I've been saving the Universe for over a thousand years. I figure it owes me just this once."

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        • #5
          Re: Epiphany

          Originally posted by The Optimistic Lamb View Post
          Bradford may be good. But what makes you think Bradford wont get beat down like Bulger has been in every game for the last 6-7 years? Can he throw off his back?
          Bulger has been beat down every year he's played football (including college). It doesn't matter who is playing on the offensive line, he gets beat down. Doesn't that seem a little odd to you?


          D'Marco Farr was on the NFL network yesterday and said Bulger brought many of these problems on himself. He's a very good throwing QB and makes great decisions but he's completely immobile in the pocket and the other d-line knows it and takes advantage of it.

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          • #6
            Re: Epiphany

            LOL i love your new pick, rather than the jersey saying M.VICK , it now says Bradford! ahahahah!

            But i feel the same way, just get Bradford, we have no choice but too.

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            • #7
              Re: Epiphany

              i like that Vick's is being considered a factor, because that combined with his time out of the league are some of the reasons i dont want to trade for him.

              The only thing id say is that you said the Rams have taken a Franchise QB since 1967, where i think you meant to say first round. First round QBs arent necessarily franchise QBs!
              @EssexRam_

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              • #8
                Re: Epiphany

                Originally posted by THOLTFAN81 View Post
                It is no secret on these forums that I like Michael Vick. I have taken much heat, and 100% of my negative rep is due to the fact that I admitedly supported trading for him aggresively. When Vick first came into the league I was 11 years old, and loved his style of play. He instantly became my favorite player in the NFL, and regardless of what he has done still is; i love watching him play. But anyways, now that I have explained my reasoning here is the root of the post:

                Today while I was driving it kind of hit my mind; Four years down the road, Michael Vick will be 34 years old, and likely retiring shortly thereafter. Whereas Sam Bradford will be 26 and entering the prime of his career. It would be great for my own selfish reasons to see my favorite player QB the Rams, but after thinking about it.........

                I want Sam Bradford to have an awesome pro day, and want the Rams to draft him first overall. I think this kid has the "IT" factor, and is going to be one of the top tier QBs in the NFL. We've gone D-Line 2 out of the last 3 years; but have not taken a Franchise QB since 1967. Kurt Warner is a RARE find. He set us up for a few years (got rid of him wayyyyyyyy to soon, clearly). And yes, Marc Bulger gave us a few "good years" but never led us to anything more than a wild-card victory.

                Sam Bradford is going to have a great career, and is going to be a winner in the NFL.

                How shocked are you all?

                Go Rams.:helmet:
                Eureka. Bradford is the way to go.

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                • #9
                  Re: Epiphany

                  Originally posted by 01d 0rd3r View Post
                  You have no idea how happy everyone is to see the you say this
                  Hahahaha. Amen to that.

                  Seriously, though, what you are saying makes sense. Like him or not, Vick's just not a long-term solution. Finding someone who can be a long-term solution is the real priority.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Epiphany

                    Also after watching the 2-hour special of NFL total access tonight, it left me thinking that Michael Vick isn't even going to be traded this off-season. They said this, and I had no idea but now they are asking for no later then a 2nd (HELL NO!). But the most interesting thing they said was is that if they keep Vick this year, and next year he signs a contract with another team, then they actually grab a third round compensatory pick. Now I don't know how but you can't argue with logic. Why would Philly take a 5th-7th round pick this year, when they can just wait and get a 3rd round next year? They won't. Which is why they have their sights set so high. I really think Vick stays in Philly actually.

                    Also, they did a 4 questions type thing where every guy talked about who they thought St. Louis was going to take with the first overall pick, every single guy (Steve Wyche, Michael Lombardi, Jason La Confora, and Ross Tucker) said they thought the Rams are going to take Bradford first overall --- take it for what it's worth.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Epiphany

                      Originally posted by BrokenWing View Post
                      our offensive line is no longer as bad as people say it is. It was bad, it was very bad, but this year it was alot better until the main people went down with injuries. Not to say it's top of the line either, but eventually we need to stop fielding something other than broken down/ bad quarterbacks.

                      It's not 1920. We can't just run the ball.
                      Have you been watching the same team as me? R-A-M-S...from St. Louis....Football...Americano...

                      Our line sucks. We literally ran out of quarterbacks this season. After Bulger got hurt, and Boller went down, and Null was getting the stuffing beat out of him we went and signed some guy named Mike Reilly, just to have a warm body to stick in there so we could at least finish the game. How many QB's do we need to go through to get you to concede that the O-line sucks?

                      So let me get this straight...if we throw Bradford in there at the start of next season, and he breaks his leg while getting sacked, you gonna blame Bradford?
                      Last edited by The Optimistic Lamb; -03-04-2010, 12:29 AM.

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                      • poejoe8
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                      • NJ Ramsfan1
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                        -11-10-2012, 02:18 AM
                      • NJ Ramsfan1
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                        by NJ Ramsfan1
                        There have been numerous threads pertaining to Sam Bradford since his arrival in St. Louis. Fans have many times commented passionately- some staunchly defending Bradford while others have maligned his short tenure with the Rams. I think it's important to recognize some basic facts that fair or unfair will always be present when Sam Bradford is discussed.

                        1) Disenchantment with one's QB is hardly anything new. Tony Romo, Mark Sanchez and Michael Vick are among the more prominent guys who have been roasted by their team's fan base. Each has had his share of successes and failures as a player. Eli Manning, who has won two Super Bowls, was ripped for several years before his fortunes turned. For the duration of what we hope is an excellent career, Sam Bradford will endure the same questioning and the same second guessing.

                        2) Feeling compelled to refute EVERY negative Bradford post is petty and a waste of energy. Recognize that fans are fickle- and that will never change. Ask Cam Newton- who was "great" last year but now "sucks and can't play".

                        3) A QB will always get more credit than he deserves when they win and more blame than they deserve when they lose. As a number 1 overall pick,and as a guy many fans were sold on being "the face of the franchise for years to come" Bradford will be scrutinized heavier than most. Expect it.

                        4) Stats must be taken in their proper context when defending or supporting a guy. They can be misleading in many ways and can be twisted to support your own argument or refute the other guy's. You can talk about "dropped passes" for instance, but fail to mention spectacular grabs by those same receivers. Or neglect to mention "poorly thrown incompletions to wide open receivers". Things tend to even out over the long term. And one must attempt to be balanced when assessing a guy's performance or body of work.

                        5) I am truly convinced Sam Bradford is a winning player. Because he is not Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning or Ben Roethlisberger does not mean he isn't any good. He has shown me enough over the course of about two full seasons that given proper support he can be a guy ranked in the top third in the NFL at his position.

                        6) CONSISTENT WINNING is the only thing that ultimately will mollify fans. The intelligent fan recognizes his team's inadequacies, but at the end of the day is uninterested in excuses or reasons why a guy can't get the job done. Shortcomings on the line or at the WR position can only be talked about for so long before we start becoming apologists for bad QB play.

                        Some might not agree, but I think that the end of NEXT season would be the time to make a definitive judgment on Bradford. He will have had 2 years in the same system with the same head coach and a young and improving corps of receivers. It will be more than fair by then.
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                        Before I state the question I am a huge Bradford supporter and think the rams made the right choice. However, back in the offseason the rams could have traded for Vick and drafted Suh. Do you think the rams would have been better off with Vick and Suh or Sam Bradford?
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                        Maybe this will come as Sam gains more experience, but I wonder why J-Mac doesn't stress this more. Any thoughts on this?

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