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  • Am I the only one who is not sold on Bradford.

    Numbers don't lie. Ya he had a solid year his junior year but he was surrounded by an all-pro NFL calubur o-line. He is a little light and doesn't take hits too well. SHoulder issues and all I feel he is not the best player for our team in the draft.

    Is Bradford that much better than Clausen if Jimmy slips or Pike or McCOy even? I do not think the talent range is that far between these players.

    Suh is the player you have to take based off our BPA need. The team needs players now not a QB that will make mistakes his first couple of years especially since we do not have the talent driven offenses that the falcons and the jets have had for Ryan and Sanchez.

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    Re: Am I the only one who is not sold on Bradford.

    No youre not and you must not have seen many of my posts lately about him just being the best qb in an average qb draft class.
    Aim high Willis, Aim High!

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    • #3
      Re: Am I the only one who is not sold on Bradford.

      I'm not sold on him either. Now, if somehow we can get him in the 3rd round or later....yeah, I'd take him.
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      • #4
        Re: Am I the only one who is not sold on Bradford.

        I think there are actually quite a few people here who aren't sold on him, at least not enough for him to be selected first overall.

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        • #5
          Re: Am I the only one who is not sold on Bradford.

          I tend to agree, for a #1 pick, Bradford isn't that spectacular and far from a sure bet to succeed in the NFL. With the Veterans available around the league, its not our biggest need. Bradford would get hammered if we threw him in.

          Suh is as sure a bet your going to get in the draft. Pick him or trade the pick.

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          • #6
            Re: Am I the only one who is not sold on Bradford.

            Originally posted by bruce4life View Post
            Numbers don't lie. Ya he had a solid year his junior year but he was surrounded by an all-pro NFL calubur o-line. He is a little light and doesn't take hits too well. SHoulder issues and all I feel he is not the best player for our team in the draft.

            Is Bradford that much better than Clausen if Jimmy slips or Pike or McCOy even? I do not think the talent range is that far between these players.
            I think he really is a cut above the others in this class as an NFL prospect. OU hasn't had much of a running game since Adrian Peterson left, and their defense wasn't going to win any games for them. He did have a good line and good receivers, but OU was hardly the only team stocked with talent on offense and nobody was putting up points like they were. I mean they put up 35 points in their lowest scoring regular season game of 2008.

            I don't know if he's worth the top overall pick, but if he came out last year, I would not have been surprised if he was the first quarterback taken.


            Originally posted by bruce4life View Post
            Suh is the player you have to take based off our BPA need. The team needs players now not a QB that will make mistakes his first couple of years especially since we do not have the talent driven offenses that the falcons and the jets have had for Ryan and Sanchez.
            The Falcons won 4 games the season before they got Ryan. I wouldn't exactly argue that they were a "talent-driven" team at the time.

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            • #7
              Re: Am I the only one who is not sold on Bradford.

              Originally posted by bruce4life View Post
              Numbers don't lie. Ya he had a solid year his junior year but he was surrounded by an all-pro NFL calubur o-line. He is a little light and doesn't take hits too well. SHoulder issues and all I feel he is not the best player for our team in the draft.

              Is Bradford that much better than Clausen if Jimmy slips or Pike or McCOy even? I do not think the talent range is that far between these players.

              Suh is the player you have to take based off our BPA need. The team needs players now not a QB that will make mistakes his first couple of years especially since we do not have the talent driven offenses that the falcons and the jets have had for Ryan and Sanchez.

              THANK GOD ! someone said it first. I really don't think Bradford is a top 10 pick. I now people with think I am crazy or just trying to be controversial but I really think Clausen and Pike are the 2 best.

              I feel if either of them were at OU they would have dominated as well.

              BUT! if you put Bradford and Cinncinati, I don't see him carrying a team on his shoulders.

              Clausen is the most NFL ready. He is a Drew Brees type and I think he may be better than Mark Sanchez right now and Sanchez is an NFL QB with a weak arm.

              I think there are 3 tiers as well and Pike and Clausen are the only tier one QB's in my book.

              If we want a guy to throw five yard passes without mobility, could keep Bulger. Not too mention with a growing offensive line it would be nice to have a guy with quick feat in the pocket with some toughness.

              Bradford reminds me a lot of Matt Leinart, in a righty.

              His career is similar and both are soft guys that are products of their system.

              No way am I putting the most money of a rebuilding franchise into a QB without a big arm, questionable toughness, and injury issues all because he is accurate.

              I really think his pro day is more of a justification of why not to take him, then why to take him.

              Also think LeFevour should be ranked 9th or 10th of all QB's.

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              • #8
                Re: Am I the only one who is not sold on Bradford.

                Rich, we'll just have to disagree here, BIG TIME.

                Pike in tier 1? REALLY?!

                Bradford is plenty more mobile then Bulger, Pike, and definetely Clausen.

                To say Bradford isn't tough because he fell wrong isn't fair at all honestly. You don't see the hits he took and got up form them because that's it, he got up from them. The guy is unflappable with pressure in his face and if you watch the tape, his arm is plenty strong enough. I've seen him throw 40-50 yarders on a rope (with zip).

                Dunno where you got the Matt Leinart stuff from. Beause they were both succesful? Isn't that good that Bradford put up insane numbers in college? Bradford WAS oklahoma and when he went down, that whole team went down with him and ended up unranked. QBs aren't a dime a dozen like RBs are. You need a guy who can get it done and Bradford can get it done.

                How isn't Bradford NFL ready? He's taken plenty of snaps under center in practice and 30 percent or more snaps under center in games. He's smart and knows how to read a defense. Accurate as ever and arm is plenty strong. I'm not so sold on the "Clausen is more NFL ready" bit at all.

                6'4 236, I'd hardly call that light. As far as can't take hits well, people only see that shoulder injury and never the multitude of abuse he took and got up from before he fell awkwardly on the shoulder...

                I think people pick apart Bradford because of how badly they want the Rams to draft Suh.


                If we come out with Bradford or Suh. I'll still be one happy camper.





                I think Bradford has all the tools you want as well as the intangibles and the only thing in question is his shoulder which is supposed to healing fine. What guy would someone be sold on with the number 1 overall pick at QB? Name one quarterback you would have been perfectly comfortable (ignoring their success or lack thereof in the NFl now) with in the last 5 drafts.

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                • #9
                  Re: Am I the only one who is not sold on Bradford.

                  Originally posted by Goldenfleece View Post
                  I think he really is a cut above the others in this class as an NFL prospect. OU hasn't had much of a running game since Adrian Peterson left, and their defense wasn't going to win any games for them. He did have a good line and good receivers, but OU was hardly the only team stocked with talent on offense and nobody was putting up points like they were. I mean they put up 35 points in their lowest scoring regular season game of 2008.

                  I don't know if he's worth the top overall pick, but if he came out last year, I would not have been surprised if he was the first quarterback taken.




                  The Falcons won 4 games the season before they got Ryan. I wouldn't exactly argue that they were a "talent-driven" team at the time.
                  The falcons picked up Michael Turner and had a new regime come in bringing

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                  • #10
                    Re: Am I the only one who is not sold on Bradford.

                    I agree that Bradford is getting overrated. I think the top tier are bradford and clausen(fairly obvious) in weak qb class. I don't see anything about bradford that makes me think he will be better than clausen. Everyone wants to make a big deal about clausen's toe and his "atittude". How about bradford's shoulder that can't take a hit. How about the fact that bradford had his coaches call audibles while he was sitting back in the shotgun. I like the fact that clausen stood under the center and read defenses(thats leadership to me). I thought clausen was good at staying in the pocket and even taking hits while throwing. I believe clausen is the only qb worth a first round pick. Maybe they didn't win a ton, but what can you do when your defense lets up 30 something points a game. I really don't think our situation is right for a rookie qb and a veteran is needed to help our team win next year(hopefully not bulger).
                    The one QB i would want at number 1 is Jake Locker. Shoot i might even take mallet before the two qbs this year.

                    p.s.Notre Dame and Oklahoma are 2 of my least favorite college football teams(both in my top 5 least favorite).
                    Last edited by SJacks039; -03-04-2010, 08:10 PM. Reason: adding the quarterback i would take at number 1

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                    • #11
                      Re: Am I the only one who is not sold on Bradford.

                      Originally posted by bruce4life View Post
                      The falcons picked up Michael Turner and had a new regime come in bringing
                      So? We have SJ and Spags. If that's all it takes, then we're primed for the same kind of turnaround.

                      Originally posted by Bralidore(RAMMODE) View Post
                      Bradford WAS oklahoma and when he went down, that whole team went down with him and ended up unranked. QBs aren't a dime a dozen like RBs are. You need a guy who can get it done and Bradford can get it done.
                      That's a good point. OU was ranked in the top 5 in a lot of the pre-season rankings, but when Bradford went down, they tanked. That kind of says he was a little more than a system quarterback.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Am I the only one who is not sold on Bradford.

                        Originally posted by Goldenfleece View Post
                        I think he really is a cut above the others in this class as an NFL prospect. OU hasn't had much of a running game since Adrian Peterson left, and their defense wasn't going to win any games for them. He did have a good line and good receivers, but OU was hardly the only team stocked with talent on offense and nobody was putting up points like they were. I mean they put up 35 points in their lowest scoring regular season game of 2008.

                        I don't know if he's worth the top overall pick, but if he came out last year, I would not have been surprised if he was the first quarterback taken.




                        The Falcons won 4 games the season before they got Ryan. I wouldn't exactly argue that they were a "talent-driven" team at the time.
                        Michael Vick's legal troubles first were reported 3 days before the draft and well after the start of free agency, too late for them to make adequate preparations to possibly retool the offense, especially since the Falcons could not have known the extent of the problems until after the draft.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Am I the only one who is not sold on Bradford.

                          Originally posted by SJacks039 View Post
                          I agree that Bradford is getting overrated. I think the top tier are bradford and clausen(fairly obvious) in weak qb class. I don't see anything about bradford that makes me think he will be better than clausen. Everyone wants to make a big deal about clausen's toe and his "atittude". How about bradford's shoulder that can't take a hit. How about the fact that bradford had his coaches call audibles while he was sitting back in the shotgun. I like the fact that clausen stood under the center and read defenses(thats leadership to me). I thought clausen was good at staying in the pocket and even taking hits while throwing. I believe clausen is the only qb worth a first round pick. Maybe they didn't win a ton, but what can you do when your defense lets up 30 something points a game. I really don't think our situation is right for a rookie qb and a veteran is needed to help our team win next year(hopefully not bulger).
                          The one QB i would want at number 1 is Jake Locker. Shoot i might even take mallet before the two qbs this year.

                          p.s.Notre Dame and Oklahoma are 2 of my least favorite college football teams(both in my top 5 least favorite).

                          What really? Did you just not read what Bralidore posted?

                          1) Sam Bradford HAS PLAYED under center. It is not foreign to him.

                          2) His shoulder CAN take hits. He just landed wrong and had a freak injury. Before that injury, he was taking hits left and right, and bounced right back up.

                          3) Bradford makes great reads.

                          4) Bradford also has great pocket presence.



                          And Rich, I disagree with Pike being top tier. He's just not that good.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Am I the only one who is not sold on Bradford.

                            Originally posted by RockinRam View Post
                            What really? Did you just not read what Bralidore posted?

                            1) Sam Bradford HAS PLAYED under center. It is not foreign to him.

                            2) His shoulder CAN take hits. He just landed wrong and had a freak injury. Before that injury, he was taking hits left and right, and bounced right back up.

                            3) Bradford makes great reads.

                            4) Bradford also has great pocket presence.

                            And Rich, I disagree with Pike being top tier. He's just not that good.
                            I think you could say that Pike and Clausen have all 4 of those qualities.

                            Pretend all 3 of these guys played for a average/good team in college, Let's say a team like IOWA or Georgia or Boston College.

                            I think Clausen and Pike would excel more in those situations.

                            Lets compare Pike and Bradford.

                            They are physically big and neither are weight room guys (yet).

                            Both are very accurrate and both have about the same arm strength.

                            Bradford has a quicker release but Tony Pike stands taller (on toes, ie Brady/Rivers).

                            I do think Pike needs to get stronger, more fit, especially in his legs to be a successful pro but i do think his potential is higher than Bradford's.

                            I think Bradford is currently alittle more accurate and his throws require more body effort than Pike's.

                            Bradford also seems to have a Knee brace, can anyone confirm if he had an ACL already.

                            I am not biased either way as I am a florida state fan and simply want to best for the rams.

                            I simply think the rams go with Clausen and win now, or go value with Suh and Vick/McNabb/Free Agent and groom Pike for next season.


                            So if my choices are Bradford, Clausen, or Pike (round 2) <-- don't forget

                            I rank Clausen, Pike, Bradford (in that order our best choices).

                            I would love to hear an honest un-biased analysis of Pike vs. Bradford.

                            thank guyes

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                            • #15
                              Re: Am I the only one who is not sold on Bradford.

                              Originally posted by PeoriaRam View Post
                              Michael Vick's legal troubles first were reported 3 days before the draft and well after the start of free agency, too late for them to make adequate preparations to possibly retool the offense, especially since the Falcons could not have known the extent of the problems until after the draft.
                              Does it really matter why they didn't pick up more talent in advance of that terrible season? The point is that the Falcons were basically rebuilding for the post-Vick era when they drafted Ryan. They weren't an especially talented team that just needed a quarterback to complete the puzzle. They drafted the left tackle that would be protecting Ryan later in the same draft! They drafted a defensive tackle the year after they drafted Ryan. The Falcons model for rebuilding actually supports the idea that a quarterback could potentially come in and make an immediate difference, even if all of the pieces aren't there.

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                              • RockinRam
                                Why I think Sam Bradford should be our guy
                                by RockinRam




                                First off, I am not an Oklahoma Sooner fan. On the contrary, I am a UT (Texas) fan, which makes it quite of a surprise that I like Bradford so much.



                                Now let's get down to business.


                                In this opinionated argument, I'm not going to harp on Suh. I'm going to stay closely to Bradford.

                                Okay, first point.

                                Devaney and Spags are trying to remake this franchise into their own philosophy and dynasty. In order to do that, they need a "fresh" start. And by fresh start it means setting the future for the most important position the field. The QB. In this perspective, ignoring everything else, Sam Bradford comes in to this team giving the Rams a new identity. It's the start of a new decade, and it should be the start of a new decade of Ram's football. We ended the last decade on a horrible note, stats wise, and it's time to start anew. Bradford coming in gives us that fresh start. No matter what people say about Suh, a fresh QB gives fans and the organization a much needed rejuvinator than a DT would ever give.


                                Second point

                                We are trying to run a West Coast Offense. And by what that means, we are not going to be consistently running huge pass plays, pass plays that require 50 yard bombs. We are running a timing offense, backed by a ground and pound running game led by Steven Jackson.

                                And Sam Bradford would excel in our offense. Why you ask?

                                Because,

                                1) Bradford excels in the short and medium pass routes. His accuracy in these departments are spot-on elite, and he has enough zip to be solid in the WCO.

                                2) He knows how to develop timing with his receivers. That is why the 2008 Oklahoma offense was so prolific. Bradford's timing with his receivers was insane. He is an amazingly smart QB who has great touch, feel, and timing to win in the NFL.

                                That is why he would succeed in our offense. A WCO is based on timing between the QB and WR, and Bradford would wreck havoc once he gets the timing down with our young WR's.


                                Third point

                                More of why Bradford is a close to perfect fit for our scheme.

                                Bradford is not a gun-slinger. That's been determined. He has above average arm strength, but he is by no means a Derek Anderson-Jamarcus Russell type QB.

                                But that's better for Bradford. You know why?

                                Because I would take a precision QB over a gun-slinging QB anyday of the week.


                                Let's compare Bradford and other similar QB's (For example a young Marc Bulger) to a sniper. A sniper is patient, he doesn't make foolish decisions. He intelligently picks his target, and once he does, he delivers to his target with precision and timing. Snipers excel.

                                Quarterbacks like Derek Anderson and Jamarcus Russell are gun-slingers. They can be compared to a shotgun. Shotguns aren't very...
                                -03-25-2010, 09:22 PM
                              • AvengerRam_old
                                Sam Bradford is the true "Wild Card" for the Rams first choice.
                                by AvengerRam_old
                                Last year at about this time, I suggested that, by the time the draft rolled around, Mark Sanchez could be on the Rams short list of players to select with the second pick in the draft. Many scoffed and, truth be told, even I was a bit uncertain with my prognostication. Of course, in the end, Sanchez rose from late first round prospect and became a top 5 pick on the strength of his workouts and interviews.

                                I can see a similar scenario occurring with Sam Bradford.

                                Last year, before Bradford decided to return to Oklahoma, many had him rated as a potential first pick in the draft. Then, as fate would have it, his season was scuttled by a shoulder injury.

                                Now, he is still considered a top 10 pick by most, but there are question marks.

                                So here are the "what ifs."

                                What if the doctors say he is fine and that there should be no long term impact from his shoulder injury?

                                What if he impresses at the Combine and/or his individual workouts?

                                What if he presents as a confident leader in his interviews?

                                If these things happen, the Rams very well could decide that the time is now to take a chance at drafting a potential franchise QB.

                                If that occurs, there will still be decisions to make. The Rams could, of course, simply select Bradford first. Alternatively, they could smokescreen a desire to take Ndamukong Suh and try to trade down. The logical trade partner would be Tampa, who likely would covet Suh, and would not take QB with the first choice (having spent a first round pick last year on a QB). Such a plan would not be foolproof, though. If, as some have speculated, the Redskins want Bradford, they could trade up with Detroit and take him at #2, thereby leaving the Rams to take who? (G.McCoy? Clausen?).

                                I'll leave the trade issue out of the analysis for now and simply say this.

                                Right now, I see Suh as being a prospect who is extremely likely (say 75%) to be an impact player at a very important position.

                                Right now, I see Bradford as being a prospect who has a decent chance (say 40-50%) to be an impact player at the MOST important position.

                                With those odds, I go with Suh (absent a great trade offer).

                                But if Bradford's stock rises, and I start to see him as having a better than 50% chance of being a franchise QB... then the choice becomes very difficult.

                                Bottom line: we're in the first lap of a multi-lap race. Its way too early to call the winner.
                                -02-02-2010, 09:03 AM
                              • general counsel
                                Please respond to the following conern about Bradford
                                by general counsel
                                Forgive me if i am repeating a point thats been raised. I have been slammed at work and unable to participate as actively as i have done in this past. I have posted on this topic inside of other threads, but i thought it might be fun to deal with this topic on a stand alone basis.

                                This is not a knock on bradford. He has the physical tools to be an excellent nfl qb. Many have questioned his durability. I am not going to debate that point because i think that before the rams invest over 40 million, they are going to satisfy themselves that he is healthy and no more likely to reinjure his shoulder than if he hadnt been hurt the first time. As an aside, a family member of mine practiced with Dr James Andrews and has educated me on injuries of this type. He tells me that these surgeries have a very high rate of success in most cases and there is every reason to believe that bradford will be as good as new. Thats not a guarantee of course, its just a matter of the odds from an objective and educated third party.

                                What worries me is the lack of track record of bradford under pressure. In his huge year, bradford played entire games without a pass rush getting into his area code, let alone his face. In the national title game vs florida, with guys in his face, he looked pretty mortal to me.

                                As all of you know from listing to my ranting over the last two years in defense of marc bulger, my mantra of the qb position is that no matter how good you are, you cant throw from flat on your ass, which is where marc bulger has been time and time and time again. What makes a great qb is a combination of his own skills and the weapons around him, starting with an offensive line.

                                Mike Martz, like him or hate him, has had as much success with qb's as anyone alive. Martz says that leadership, accuracy, toughness and brains are the key to the qb position. There is a minimum required arm strength, but martz said time and again that arm strength is overated and i agree with that. I think the qb is like the president of the usa. He gets too much credit when things go well, and too much blame when things dont go well.

                                Reasonable people can disagree on this topic, but i continue to contend that if you put peyton manning behind the rams offensive line, we would for sure improve, but i dont think we would be anywhere near a winning team because our offensive line has been a joke for years and there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that the offensive line will be any better pass blocking wise this year than its been in the recent past. Sure jason smith may get better, but who knows? Peyton Manning, with pass rushers in his face looks mortal and that is with ten years of pro bowl experience. Bradford has no track record in that area. This also explains why i put so little stock in his pro day performance. What does it really mean that he looks great when no one is rushing him. Ryan...
                                -04-05-2010, 04:09 PM
                              • OUSooners81
                                Sam Bradford
                                by OUSooners81
                                I think the best thing we could do this draft is to get Sam Bradford. I have been watching him all through his college career. He can throw all over the feild wether it is a deep pass or a short pass and be very accurate. Also he is a very big leader on and off the feild.
                                -03-26-2010, 12:21 PM
                              • swatter555
                                Less worried about Bradford these days
                                by swatter555
                                Drafting an unproven in the NFL QB to a massive contract is a tough thing do. In a general sense, I think focusing on settling our QB issues should be the Ram's most important focus. Certainly that seems what we are about to do, but drafting a less than stellar QB or even a bust is such a huge concern considering the dollars we would have been putting up.

                                I have been doing some research on recent QB busts and in retrospect there were often warning signs that were overlooked because physical talent was so great. Physical talent was always there, but the busts almost always had character flaws or weren't all that smart. In retropect it is no doubt easier to spot those things, but they were often purposely overlooked.

                                After reading about Bradford and watching his interviews, he is a smart kid with a good head on his shoulders. His intangibles seem to be really high. Everyday that passes I am a little less worried and think he will do at least very well. Of course signing him to that contract, you expect him to be a superstar, but lets just take that one step at a time.

                                At this point, I think there is a good chance he will be the best thing to happen to the Rams since we got Marshall Faulk and Kurt Warner emerged.
                                -04-18-2010, 02:59 AM
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