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    Av's Annual Sleeper and 10-Foot Pole Lists

    Here are this year's lists of players who are somewhat under the radar, and those who I would not touch with a 10-foot pole.

    Sleepers

    Jimmy Graham, TE, Miami (FL)
    At this point, Graham doesn't seem like a sleeper. In fact, after his excellent Combine performance, some have projected him to go as high as Round 2. That said, I listed him as a sleeper back in December, so I think I'm entiled to keep him on my list!

    Levi Brown, QB, Troy
    I've mentioned Brown several times as a player I like. Though he did not play against top competition, he has the arm strength, poise and experience that I look for in a QB prospect. At this point, I expect the Rams will take a QB earlier than Brown would merit, but he's an option if the Rams don't take a QB on the first two days of the draft.

    A.J. Edds, OLB, Iowa
    Very good size, speed and productivity on a very good college defense. He's not a flashy guy but, much like James Laurinaitis, is always around the ball. Good mid-round SLB prospect.

    C.J. Wilson, DE, East Carolina
    He's a big DE (290 lbs) but is quick enough to make a lot of plays in the backfield. He seems to be the type of player Spags likes, as he could definitely rotate between the DE and the DT spots.

    Tony Washington, OT, Abilene Christian
    Big RT prospect who could likely be obtained in the middle rounds of the draft. The thing that caught my eye about Washington is his combination of arm length (35''+) and bench press reps (34). Those are the kind of numbers you typically see in an elite OT prospect. I think he has a lot of upside.

    10-Foot Pole List

    Tim Tebow, QB, Florida
    Probably saw this one coming, huh? I have posted at length about Tebow, who I just don't think will ever be a starting NFL QB. Given the price tag he would come with (4th round pick?), I say "stay away!"

    LeGarrette Blount, RB, Oregon
    Pretty easy selection. In addition to his blow up on the field that caused him to sit most of last year, he ran slow at the Combine, which calls into question whether his skills will translate to the pro level.

    Dexter McCluster, RB, Ole Miss
    This selection will probably be surprising to some. I do think McCluster could be a productive role player for some team. However, what the Rams need is a RB who can fill in for Steven Jackson if needed. McCluster will never be an every down back.

    Brandon LaFell, WR, LSU
    Big WRs with average speed playing on good college teams can be very productive in college, but they often falter in the NFL, where almost every CB runs a 4.5 or better. LaFell strikes me as that type of player, and given that the Rams would probably have to take him at pick #33 to get him, I wouldn't give him any consderation.

    Arrelious Benn, WR, Illinois
    Can someone explain to me why this guy is considered a first round talent by some? 38 receptions for 490 yards last year? 7 TDs in his college career? I just don't see it.
    Last edited by AvengerRam_old; -03-05-2010, 10:54 AM.
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    Re: Av's Annual Sleeper and 10-Foot Pole Lists

    I really like Edds as well, and I've never really heard of Washington until now, but definitely sounds like an intriguing prospect.

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      Re: Av's Annual Sleeper and 10-Foot Pole Lists

      i think Benn was shafted in collge especially his last year cuz they had QB problems i belive the year b4 that he awsa injured ....not sayin the rams should draft him but i think hell be a fine player.....i agree with you on Graham tho....the kid is a natural beast of an athlete....

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        Re: Av's Annual Sleeper and 10-Foot Pole Lists

        What do you think about McCluster as a receiver? At his size, that kind of seems more likely to me.

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        • #5
          Re: Av's Annual Sleeper and 10-Foot Pole Lists

          Originally posted by AvengerRam View Post

          Arrelious Benn, WR, Illinois
          Can someone explain to me why this guy is considered a first round talent by some? 38 receptions for 490 yards last year? 7 TDs in his college career? I just don't see it.
          Have you ever seen Juice Williams throw a football?

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          • #6
            Re: Av's Annual Sleeper and 10-Foot Pole Lists

            Originally posted by npow81 View Post
            Have you ever seen Juice Williams throw a football?
            There have been plenty of college WRs who put up much better numbers with sub-par QBs.

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            • #7
              Re: Av's Annual Sleeper and 10-Foot Pole Lists

              Sleepin: Jarret Brown-like his arm and his speed he would defintly need time.

              Dorin Dickerson came out as a wide out then played linebacker then moved to tight end. He ran a 4.4 40. A little smalle but hes versatile and could be a weapon.

              Ben Tate- I liked his running style at auburn. He ran a 4.4 which sort of surprised me. He would be a nice complement to SJ.

              Ten Foot Pole:
              Tony Pike- seems very fragile and he floated a lot of balls.

              Sam Bradford- also very fragile and this only goes for the first round. He could be serviceable but i just can't see him doing big things. We will trade our Round 2 pick for D-Nabb at the draft. You know how the Eagles love to trade at the draft. Or it could possibly be for vick, but a 4th, 5th, or 6th rounder whatever we can get.

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                Re: Av's Annual Sleeper and 10-Foot Pole Lists

                Originally posted by AvengerRam View Post
                There have been plenty of college WRs who put up much better numbers with sub-par QBs.
                True story, although Juice is up their on the list. Your entitled to your opinion, as you know stats don't tell the whole story.

                I had the privilege of sitting directly behind the Illinois bench for an Illinois v. Iowa game two years ago, and I will say this, Benn, physically, is an impressive specimen, and his play shows that physicality, which is why I have likened him to Anquan Boldin.

                Personally I don't see any glaring weakness in his abilities, so I guess I just don't see the need for worry, and definetly don't see any need for a "ten foot pole."

                I'd be plenty happy to see him at the top of the second, and thrilled if he fell to the third.

                Here is who I would put on these lists

                Sleeper
                Daryl Washington, LB TCU
                Tony Moeaki, TE, Iowa
                Freddie Barnes, WR Bowling Green
                Dennis Pitta, TE, BYU
                Walter Thurmond, CB Oregon
                Carl Ihenacho, DE/LB San Jose State
                Mike Kafka, QB Northwestern
                Michael Hoomanwanui, TE Illinois
                Marshall Newhouse, OG TCU
                Andre Dixon, RB UCONN

                Ten Foot Pole
                Jimmy Clausen, QB, ND
                Jonathon Dwyer, RB, GT
                Taylor Mays, S, USC
                LeGarrette Blount, RB, Oregon (for his running style, not necessarily his character)
                Sean Canfield, QB, Oregon State
                Zac Robinson, QB Ok. State
                Kyle McCarthy, S, ND
                Last edited by Guest; -03-07-2010, 01:18 AM.

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                • #9
                  Re: Av's Annual Sleeper and 10-Foot Pole Lists

                  Originally posted by AvengerRam View Post
                  There have been plenty of college WRs who put up much better numbers with sub-par QBs.
                  He had four different QB's play for them last year and the best one is named Juice Williams. Not exactly awe-inspiring. This is a perfect example of why they evaluate the players individually leading up to the draft.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Av's Annual Sleeper and 10-Foot Pole Lists

                    Let me be clear. Benn in Round 3... sure, no problem. But, from my vantage point, I don't see how he's a first (or early second) round pick.

                    In any event, this is far from an exact science. I can boast about having some good players on my sleeper lists before. Last year, I had Terrence Knighton, who had a very good year with the Jaguars. I also had some good calls on my 10 foot pole list, but one guy I missed on was Clay Matthews, who had a good rookie year after I said I would not touch him.

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                      Re: Av's Annual Sleeper and 10-Foot Pole Lists

                      where do u think amari spievey ends up? and do you think the rams add another corner from the draft??

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                      • #12
                        Re: Av's Annual Sleeper and 10-Foot Pole Lists

                        I do think they will add another corner, but only if there is 1 that is better than someone we need more, say like a LB or TE.

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                          Re: Av's Annual Sleeper and 10-Foot Pole Lists

                          This thread is not about whether the Rams will draft a cornerback.

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                            Re: Av's Annual Sleeper and 10-Foot Pole Lists

                            Originally posted by AvengerRam View Post
                            Let me be clear. Benn in Round 3... sure, no problem. But, from my vantage point, I don't see how he's a first (or early second) round pick.

                            In any event, this is far from an exact science. I can boast about having some good players on my sleeper lists before. Last year, I had Terrence Knighton, who had a very good year with the Jaguars. I also had some good calls on my 10 foot pole list, but one guy I missed on was Clay Matthews, who had a good rookie year after I said I would not touch him.
                            I know, its all for fun, often times these are mere hunches I realize that.
                            Its good to have these things in writing, I called Chris Johnson a few years ago after watching him trample over BSU in the Hawaii Bowl and when people were crying that Tennessee should have taken a WR with that pick, I was saying how much I loved the pick, but there are plenty of other times where I have been wrong, dead wrong. So we will see.

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                              Re: Av's Annual Sleeper and 10-Foot Pole Lists

                              WoW surprised some of you have noticed some of the guys I have as sleepers..10 ft. pole is a different story however..

                              Sleepers

                              Iowa OLB A.J. Edds
                              Very good size, speed and productivity on a very good college defense. He's not a flashy guy but, much like James Laurinaitis, is always around the ball. Good mid-round SLB prospect.
                              I've loved Edds for a long time being a Big Ten football fan, very hard nosed and durable player

                              Iowa TE Tony Moeaki
                              Watch this guys combine workouts compared to the other TE's doing the same drills, He had very clean routs, foot movement, a natural pass catcher and looked extremely smooth compared to alot of the other guys out there even the highly touted guys at points; not a bad blocking TE either.

                              Virginia CB Chris Cook:
                              Virginia CB Chris Cook turned some heads at the Senior Bowl, and he's doing the same in Indianapolis. At 6-2 and 212 pounds Cook posted an unofficial 4.43 seconds. That's an excellent size-speed combination for a safety and rare to see in a corner. Cook also recorded a jaw-dropping 11-0 broad jump.
                              He has great variables for his position with also nice size, I'd like to see us take a look at him.

                              USC Safety Taylor Mays:
                              Lived up to hype as a freakish size-speed prospect when the 6-foot-3⅛, 230-pound safety ran the fastest 40-yard dash time (4.41 seconds) of the 47 defensive backs who ran on the final day of the NFL combine. Mays also came in third among DBs with a 41-inch vertical jump. Both numbers are impressive on their own, but even more so given Mays' size.
                              Don't know if we're int he market for a safety, but could play him at corner as well with his speed and size...

                              And finally adding one guy I can't remember his name but he is a WR that plays for Texas that I think he is going to be a absolutly great pickup. Not saying he's a number one but as a 2 or 3 receiver and would be a sensational move the chains/possession receiver type of guy. Anyone know what his name is? I'm tired going to bed..
                              10-Foot Pole List

                              Sam Bradford/ Jimmy Clausen QB:
                              Between Bradfords being injury prone and Jimmy Clausen having issues in the maturatiy arena I don't think either one of these guys would be worth the risk of a top 3 pick. Remember if this were a deep to normal class like usual these two would probably rank 3-5 in the QB lineup.

                              FSU Safety Myron Rolle:
                              Purely from a football standpoint, Rolle has the tools of a potential third-round pick who could be developed into an adequate starter two or three years down the road. However, while NFL teams love the Rhodes scholar's intelligence and work ethic, there is a growing concern regarding his long-term dedication to football. Rolle is in a truly unique situation and has a lot of convincing to do between now and the draft.

                              If you don't know who he is Myron Rolle is the guy they have stories and coverage about being a brain surgeon. I'm not so sure I see him translating into the NFL.

                              Oregon RB LeGarrette Blount
                              Pretty easy selection. In addition to his blow up on the field that caused him to sit most of last year, he ran slow at the Combine, which calls into question whether his skills will translate to the pro level.
                              Easy pick and already covered by other people.

                              Cincinnati QB Tony Pike:
                              I don't know if any of you have seen his game film but this was pointed out before is he does not have a very good pocket presence. He moves aorund alot when it is uneeded. Alot of times you can watch Pike actually work himself into a sack or distress. Example: Watching a gametape, the team he was playing dropped everyone back into coverage and only had a 3 man rush the line was holding the pocket well and he got impatient and started verring to the right side of the pocket and ran right into the DE and a sack. Good ability to scramble when that's what he commits himself to doing tho.

                              USF DE Jason Pierre-Paul:
                              Number 1 D-end? A mediocre half season and he's the best defensive end this year? He has bust stamped on his forehead, particularly if he goes to a team like the Raiders.
                              Last edited by Guest; -03-09-2010, 02:02 AM. Reason: added Texas WR

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                                Round 6: Small school WR. If Curtis leaves, here's the spot to try to find the next Marcus Colston (yeah, like there's one of those in every draft!)

                                Round 7: Big fat DT. Jabba D'Hut from Tatoine Tech.
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