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  • #1

    The Forgotten QB in this Draft

    Colt McCoy!!!

    So often on the NFl channel (and this forum) Colt McCoy gets lost between the Tebow bashing and the Suh vs Bradford hype. But what about Colt McCoy? Have you seen this guy's statistics? They're off the charts!!! If he doesn't go in the first round, how could the Rams NOT take him in the 2nd?


    2009 Statistics:

    470 Att / 3,521 Yards / 70.6 cmp% / 7.4 YPA / 27 TD


    *Colt's 2009 stats aren't even his best year
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    Yes
    58.33%
    21
    No
    41.67%
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    Last edited by Guest; -03-08-2010, 01:38 PM.
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  • #2
    Re: The Forgotten QB in this Draft

    I really like Peter Kings idea in this weeks MMQB. Take Suh with the first and trade into the mid of the first round to pick up McCoy (PK things McCoy will not last till our first pick in the second round).

    So a yes from me (but not with the nr 1 pick).

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    • #3
      Re: The Forgotten QB in this Draft

      You all really think Pike isn't close to a 2nd rounder but McCoy is a late first rounder ? lol

      good luck with this kid.

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      • #4
        Re: The Forgotten QB in this Draft

        I think the importance of getting a starting QB for THIS year means we draft one with our 1rst pick or swing a deal for one already in the league. If we get one already in the league(with one of our picks in the deal probably) then he would be our starter this season, and push off the need and the ability to address it til next year.

        I think the only way a 2nd tier QB is on this team next year is if Bulger stays, Feely backs him up, and we get rid of Null and Rielly.

        Eagles want a 2nd for Vick, HA WTF ever, I think they have overplayed their hand here IMO.

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        • #5
          Re: The Forgotten QB in this Draft

          Originally posted by richtree View Post
          You all really think Pike isn't close to a 2nd rounder but McCoy is a late first rounder ? lol

          good luck with this kid.
          Yup, yup, yup

          Colt certainly is worth a 2nd round pick, while Pike has a lot of question marks by his name. The only issues Colt seems to have is durability and playing under center. But his shoulder wasn't hurt that bad and just about every QB has to learn to play under center. So what if he sits a year?

          No character issues either.
          Last edited by Guest; -03-08-2010, 03:58 PM.

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          • #6
            Re: The Forgotten QB in this Draft

            I'd like us getting Colt, but I don't really see him going in the first.

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            • #7
              Re: The Forgotten QB in this Draft

              I wish we picked Suh first, then McCoy in the 2nd.

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              • #8
                Re: The Forgotten QB in this Draft

                I would rather have Tebow, Lefevour or Pike.

                Go for Lefevour or Pike in 3rd round.

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                • #9
                  Re: The Forgotten QB in this Draft

                  Originally posted by thickandthin View Post
                  I'd like us getting Colt, but I don't really see him going in the first.
                  i'd have to second this I don't think he's going to go in the 1st round

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                  • #10
                    Re: The Forgotten QB in this Draft

                    Originally posted by Sosa39rams View Post
                    I wish we picked Suh first, then McCoy in the 2nd.
                    Right on. I think that would be a perfect-world scenario.

                    In my mind, however, I'm still debating between McCoy and Bradford.

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                    • #11
                      Re: The Forgotten QB in this Draft

                      If we go for Colt McCoy that means we will get King Suh. I like that scenario.
                      LA RAMMER

                      It's Jim not Chris
                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HNgqQVHI_8

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                      • #12
                        Re: The Forgotten QB in this Draft

                        Really who knows about QB's in this league? Everybody is always saying how that is the hardest position to scout and predict their success. We haven't seen all the tape again and again the scouts have on the top four QB's.

                        I really don't know what separates them at all. I have heard most often that Bradford, Clausen, McCoy, and Tebow all have really high football IQ's. I haven't heard about any of them having an absolute cannon for an arm, although both tebow and Bradford do have pretty good arm strength. And the only one who has worked under center is Clausen. I still don't know why anybody would take Bradford over McCoy except that he is 2 inches taller? 15 pounds heavier? Except for that they both were very successful in the same system. And from everything i've heard McCoy is a better leader, of course how do you measure that though.

                        I just don't understand the big difference between at least Clausen, McCoy, and Bradford. Tebow needs to work on his throwing motion of course. But I just don't see the drop off in talent like McShay and Kiper do. as a matter of fact everybody has Clausen and Bradford as tier 1 while everybody else is tier 2. Can somebody explain to me why that is. I really do believe it is all media perception that has these two rated so high above everybody else.

                        I honestly don't know who the rams should take as a QB? I don't know why they have to take one this year except that the front office needs to win to keep their job.

                        I would just as soon take Suh and draft McCoy in the second round.

                        Or Take Bradford with the overall pick and try to pick up Jermaine Gresham with my 2nd.

                        Or Trade to the fourth spot with Washington for extra picks this year or next year. Get Clausen (if they are so high on Bradford).

                        But we'll see.

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                        • #13
                          Re: The Forgotten QB in this Draft

                          I like Colt a lot and I think if given time he'll be a premier QB but he's not there now so he's not worth a 1st or top of the 2nd round pick. The further out you go with the development program, the more risk there is he'll ever get there.

                          Colt has the intangibles. It's his lack of NFL quality tangibles that make him a 4th round pick.

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                          • #14
                            Re: The Forgotten QB in this Draft

                            Originally posted by Shan the Ram Man View Post
                            I would rather have Tebow, Lefevour or Pike.

                            Go for Lefevour or Pike in 3rd round.

                            Tebow will have a very powerful throw when he get's his technique down, right now he is using all arm power. He has scary potential.

                            But I dont see the logic in taking Lefevour or Pike in the 3rd round. If there is a player you see as your franchise Qb, why are you waiting until the 3rd round? If your goal is to develop them, why then do we have Bulger, Boller, Feeley, Null, and Reily? We can only have so many on a roster. I don't think a project is what the rams are shooting for.

                            Most likely Feeley is replacing Boller at #2 QB, and Null/Reily will battle for #3. The starting job either has to be Bulger, or a new Qb.
                            Last edited by Guest; -03-09-2010, 10:56 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Re: The Forgotten QB in this Draft

                              Originally posted by The Optimistic Lamb View Post
                              But I dont see the logic in taking Lefevour or Pike in the 3rd round. If there is a player you see as your franchise Qb, why are you waiting until the 3rd round?

                              THAT is an important issue. If Bradford is either a 1st pick but no worse than a 6-7th pick, he IS considered by NFL scouts to be a premier long term prospect. If you are taking a kid in the 3rd or 4th round, they may be the same in the long term but they have more risk and require more development. As you say, those aren't equal traits as some would like to claim.

                              Personally, with several games of NFL playing time, I'd rather continue the development of Null than add a 4th round QB to the mix who isn't an obvious upgrade in every way.

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                                The Rams have the #1 pick in the draft which comes as no surprise to a lot of people. It is pretty clear that the Rams are not gonna pass up on a monster like Ndamukong Suh. But that does not mean that they can't find a franchise QB in the draft. Why? Think about it! Joe Montana went in the 3rd round and won 4 Superbowl's with the *****, Brett Favre went in the 2nd round, Drew Brees who won the Superbowl yesterday was drafted in the second round, Tom Brady went in the 6th round!



                                I think the future franchise QB for the Rams is Colt McCoy. I actually think Colt McCoy is the next Joe Montana (no joke). Joe Montana came from a famous school in Notre Dame but wasn't really looked at as your prototypical NFL quarterback. But he was still an accurate passer and he was a winner. That is what I see what with Colt McCoy which is an accurate passer and a winner. People doubt him because of his arm but those same people doubted Drew Brees and he won a Superbowl MVP yesterday.


                                If the Rams do draft Colt McCoy he might not contribute right away. So the Rams should sign Marc Bulger to a two year deal that way Colt Mccoy can develop more. I know there are going to be some that will disagree with me (or a lot who will). But I will stick by my statement until proven wrong. Colt McCoy is the next Joe Montana!
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                              • SWFCRAM
                                McCoy in Round Two??
                                by SWFCRAM
                                Scott Wright at Draft Countdown has the Rams taking Colt McCoy at the top of the second (after Suh with the first pick).

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                              • clarasDK
                                Are there a chance that Colt McCoy is still there at nr 33?
                                by clarasDK
                                I am pretty sure that the Rams will take Bradford with the nr 1 pick this year. But in my heart I still hope for some lucky break that will give us Suh and Colt McCoy in the second round.

                                I have tried to analyse the first round to see what the chances are for McCoy to slip to the pick nr 33.

                                As I see it the QB order is:
                                1. Bradford
                                2. Clausen
                                3. McCoy

                                Tebow could be a wildcard that could pop up before Clausen or McCoy. But nobody really has an idea where and to whom Tebow will go.

                                That means if the Rams takes Suh only two other teams can take a QB or else Colt will be gone before nr 33.

                                Bradford would probably go to the Redskins(4), Seahawks(6) or Browns (7)

                                Clausen would probably go to Raiders (8), Bills (9) or Jaguars (10)

                                I think most teams would see it as a reach go after Colt McCoy in the top 10.

                                From pick 11-20 I only think the Whiners would consider taking him (as they have two picks they could use pick nr 17 to take a chance).

                                From 21 - 32 I only see the Vikings having a real QB need.

                                Scenario 1:
                                So for the McCoy with nr 33 scenario to happen we would have to hope that no one sees him as having top 10 value, That the Whiners don't take a chance on him, that nobody wants to pay for trading up before the Vikings and that the Vikings do not take him.

                                I would say the Vikings taking him is the biggest risk here.

                                Scenario 2:
                                Raiders take the player with the best 40 time or some workout warrior like OT: Bruce Cambell
                                Bills go BPA and take a player like Spiller
                                Jaguars takes Tebow (that would at least sell some tickets) or another player that they consider to be BPA with nr 10.

                                That might lead to Clausen falling to the Vikings who would take him.

                                Again in this scenario nobody are allowed to trade up to take McCoy and the Whiners should also keep their hands of him.

                                Scenario 3:
                                Rams trade up to get him.

                                The question is how fare up do we have to go?

                                Trade partners coulde be:

                                27. Dallas
                                They do not have that many big needs in the draft so they could be interested in a trade. Maybe our second pick this year and next year (with option of it being a 1 pick next year instead if Colt McCoy plays well as a rookie)? Or something similar.
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                                Same as Dallas

                                We could probably also get a deal going with a team like Philly at nr 24 or the Patsies at nr 22 (they love to trade out of the first round). But that would probably be even more costly.

                                Maybe we could sweeten a deal with the Patsies by throwing in Carriker who would be good fit as a DE for their 3-4 defence, and they have had problems keeping pressure on their opponenents QB's last year.

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                                -04-11-2010, 11:59 AM
                              • AvengerRam_old
                                The Value of a Plan B (or... why the Rams are meeting with Colt McCoy)
                                by AvengerRam_old
                                I'm starting to wonder if there might be a parallel between the Rams' situation this year and the one faced by the Texans in 2006.

                                As I recall it, in the weeks leading up to the draft, the Texans were believed by all to be targeting Reggie Bush as the first pick in the draft. Then, when negotiations broke down, they went to their Plan B, Mario Williams (and, of course, it all worked out fairly well for them).

                                Similarly, the Rams are believed by most to be targeting Sam Bradford. I presume that they will be negotiating with his agent soon, if they are not already doing so.

                                In this context, it is necessary to have viable "Plan B." Otherwise, Bradford's agent can take a hard line with the Rams, basically stating "you have no choice but to pay what we ask."

                                Ndamukong Suh, standing alone, is not a viable "Plan B." The reason: nobody is going to buy that the Rams are willing to go to battle next year with Feeley and Null as their top 2 QBs.

                                Add Colt McCoy to the equation, and now you have a viable "Plan B" (Suh in Round 1, McCoy in Round 2).

                                In another thread, I posed the question: why release Bulger now?

                                Perhaps, part of the reason was the possibility that some team that might take McCoy late in Round 2 would instead sign Bulger. Or, if that was not the plan, maybe it could work just work out that way (i.e. maybe the Vikings will sign Bulger to back up Favre rather than considering a QB in Round 1).

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                                Who knows... Plan B might even become Plan A.
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