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  • #1

    Contract Figures

    I was wondering, what's a pro-bowl DT make? So I went to the 2010 starting lineup for the pro-bowl and then looked at their contracts:

    Haloti Ngata $3 million per year
    Vince Wilfork $8 million per year (high end current estimate of new contract extension)
    Kevin Williams $6 million
    Darnell Dockett $4.5 million

    How about backups?

    Casey Hampton - $7 million (just signed extension)
    Jay Ratliff - $4 million
    Justin Smith (they have him as a DT for the pro-bowl) $8 million

    Pro-bowlers aren't always the best, they are usually seasoned veterans at the top of the game and several of these guys just got extensions.

    If the Rams draft Suh, he'll be paid higher than any of the 2010 pro-bowlers at his position.
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  • #2
    Re: Contract Figures

    And Sam Bradford will sign a contract in the high $70 millions to possibly $80 million. Without playing an NFL down.

    Your point?

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    • #3
      Re: Contract Figures

      Yup nature of the beast my friend. Hopefully they can get this worked out in the next CBA. That is if we have another CBA

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      • #4
        Re: Contract Figures

        Bradford will make around $12 million. Brees is looking at signing a new contract that is estimated at above $15 million per year. You see, the difference? $10 million for a DT is $2 million above the best at his position this past year. $12 million for a QB is $3 million less than the best (2nd best?)at his position this past year.

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        • #5
          Re: Contract Figures

          Originally posted by RebelYell View Post
          If the Rams draft Suh, he'll be paid higher than any of the 2010 pro-bowlers at his position.
          So will a quarterback. Stafford's deal as the #1 pick last year averaged $12 million per year. Since he's being drafted a year later in an uncapped season, it's reasonable to assume Bradford's average will top that.

          Here are the breakdowns of the quarterbacks appearing on the 2010 Pro Bowl roster:

          Aaron Rodgers: $10.8 million per year
          Donovan McNabb: $12.25 million
          Tony Romo: $11.2 million
          Matt Schaub: $8 million
          Vince Young: $9.6 million
          David Garrard: $10 million

          So Bradford also will be getting a higher per-year average than the Pro Bowlers at his position.

          Point being, it's a problem regardless of whom you take. If you want to argue that it's better to justify that money on a QB than a DT, that's one thing. But either of these guys are going to be among the highest paid at their position without playing a down of football.

          That's a problem with the system, but I don't know that it's so big of a problem that it affects your decision making. It would seem to me that basing this decision on finances rather than your evaluation of a prospect and your team's need for said prospect is a recipe for disaster.

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          • #6
            Re: Contract Figures

            That is why I have a feeling the Rams will do multiple trade downs if other teams are willing. It is insane that these players are getting thesehuge contracts......Absolutely insane.....Especially since it appears the front office is doing some serious penny pinching.

            I like Suh alot......but from what i've seen of the front office, I just dont think we will be picking in the top ten if we manage a couple of trades.

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            • #7
              Re: Contract Figures

              Not that it makes much of a difference, but this years pro bowl squad was less than stellar. Everyone made it in. I think even Spags took a few snaps towards the end of the game.

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              • #8
                Re: Contract Figures

                Originally posted by Nick View Post
                Aaron Rodgers: $10.8 million per year
                Donovan McNabb: $12.25 million
                Tony Romo: $11.2 million
                Matt Schaub: $8 million
                Vince Young: $9.6 million
                David Garrard: $10 million
                I notice you didn't include the two QBs who were elected to the Pro-Bowl but couldn't play because they were in the SUPERBOWL. Both will be receiving new contracts this year, just like some of the DTs I listed. Why didn't you include their contracts?

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                • #9
                  Re: Contract Figures

                  Originally posted by RebelYell View Post
                  Why didn't you include their contracts?
                  Because they weren't considered part of the "2010 starting lineup for the pro-bowl" (your qualifier) or the back-ups, according to NFL.com's Pro Bowl roster, since they were unable to play. If you'd like to include them in the discussion, then Peyton's contract is paying him around $14.1 million per year. Brees' deal is paying him on average $10 million per year. So, Bradford will be signing a deal that pays him on average more than every quarterback on the Pro Bowl roster besides Peyton Manning.

                  Nitpicking the contracts I listed doesn't change the larger point of my post - contract size is a problem regardless of whom you take, either of these guys are going to be among the highest paid at their position without playing a down of football, and when it comes to drafting a player, basing your pick on finances rather than your prospect evaluations is (IMO) a recipe for disaster.
                  Last edited by Nick; -03-11-2010, 02:02 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Contract Figures

                    From USA Today:
                    Position
                    2009 QB
                    Player Team Base Salary Sign Bonus Other Bonus Total Salary Cap Value
                    Manning, Peyton Colts $ 14,000,000 $ 0 $ 5,720 $ 14,005,720 $ 21,205,718
                    McNabb, Donovan Eagles $ 9,200,000 $ 0 $ 3,307,280 $ 12,507,280 $ 16,773,950
                    Cassel, Matt Chiefs $ 5,000,000 $ 0 $ 10,005,200 $ 15,005,200 $ 15,205,200
                    Brady, Tom Patriots $ 5,000,000 $ 0 $ 3,007,280 $ 8,007,280 $ 14,627,280
                    Palmer, Carson Bengals $ 9,500,000 $ 0 $ 0 $ 9,500,000 $ 14,300,000
                    Russell, JaMarcus Raiders $ 7,805,880 $ 3,442,800 $ 6,760 $ 11,255,440 $ 13,618,215
                    Roethlisberger, Ben Steelers $ 4,750,000 $ 0 $ 3,001,560 $ 7,751,560 $ 13,221,560
                    Manning, Eli Giants $ 7,500,000 $ 13,000,000 $ 0 $ 20,500,000 $ 13,066,668
                    Favre, Brett Vikings $ 12,000,000 $ 0 $ 0 $ 12,000,000 $ 12,000,000
                    Rivers, Philip Chargers $ 6,000,000 $ 19,550,000 $ 6,630 $ 25,556,630 $ 11,541,630
                    Cutler, Jay Bears $ 14,944,090 $ 7,000,000 $ 100,000 $ 22,044,090 $ 11,534,999
                    Warner, Kurt Cardinals $ 4,000,000 $ 15,000,000 $ 4,680 $ 19,004,680 $ 11,504,680
                    Brees, Drew Saints $ 4,487,500 $ 5,001,000 $ 3,501,000 $ 12,989,500 $ 10,660,400
                    Schaub, Matt Texans $ 6,950,000 $ 0 $ 10,050,000 $ 17,000,000 $ 10,250,000
                    Ryan, Matt Falcons $ 5,000,000 $ 0 $ 2,907,280 $ 7,907,280 $ 9,907,280
                    Rodgers, Aaron Packers $ 680,000 $ 0 $ 7,920,000 $ 8,600,000 $ 9,652,500
                    Hasselbeck, Matt Seahawks $ 5,250,000 $ 0 $ 1,006,240 $ 6,256,240 $ 9,456,240
                    Garrard, David Jaguars $ 5,475,000 $ 0 $ 3,025,000 $ 8,500,000 $ 9,000,000
                    Anderson, Derek Browns $ 1,450,000 $ 0 $ 5,000,000 $ 6,450,000 $ 8,783,333
                    Delhomme, Jake Panthers $ 3,200,000 $ 3,125,000 $ 0 $ 6,325,000 $ 8,591,670
                    Bulger, Marc Rams $ 6,500,000 $ 0 $ 7,280 $ 6,507,280 $ 8,507,280


                    versus

                    2009 DT
                    Player Team Base Salary Sign Bonus Other Bonus Total Salary Cap Value
                    Harris, Tommie Bears $ 620,000 $ 0 $ 7,170,000 $ 7,790,000 $ 9,090,000
                    Haynesworth, Albert Redskins $ 6,000,000 $ 5,000,000 $ 7,280 $ 11,007,280 $ 7,007,280
                    Rogers, Shaun Browns $ 2,400,000 $ 0 $ 5,000,000 $ 7,400,000 $ 6,573,333
                    Hampton, Casey Steelers $ 3,075,000 $ 0 $ 100,000 $ 3,175,000 $ 6,552,084
                    Babineaux, Jonathan Falcons $ 2,000,000 $ 0 $ 4,007,280 $ 6,007,280 $ 6,507,280
                    Kelly, Tommy Raiders $ 2,500,000 $ 3,538,000 $ 963,560 $ 7,001,560 $ 6,337,826
                    Jenkins, Kris Jets $ 750,000 $ 0 $ 4,500,000 $ 5,250,000 $ 6,330,000
                    Williams, Pat Vikings $ 3,750,000 $ 0 $ 850,000 $ 4,600,000 $ 5,910,540
                    Henderson, John Jaguars $ 4,200,000 $ 0 $ 200,000 $ 4,400,000 $ 5,690,000
                    Stroud, Marcus Bills $ 3,400,000 $ 2,100,000 $ 1,002,080 $ 6,502,080 $ 5,593,746
                    Williams, Jamal Chargers $ 3,900,000 $ 0 $ 1,006,630 $ 4,906,630 $ 5,306,630
                    Sopoaga, Isaako ***** $ 1,862,500 $ 0 $ 2,200,000 $ 4,062,500 $ 5,017,500
                    Ellis, Sedrick Saints $ 3,366,000 $ 0 $ 6,000,000 $ 9,366,000 $ 4,866,000
                    Dorsey, Glenn Chiefs $ 2,385,000 $ 0 $ 10,685,000 $ 13,070,000 $ 4,722,000
                    Peko, Domata Bengals $ 700,000 $ 0 $ 2,700,000 $ 3,400,000 $ 4,501,750
                    Hovan, Chris Buccaneers $ 3,000,000 $ 0 $ 6,760 $ 3,006,760 $ 4,306,760

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                    • #11
                      Re: Contract Figures

                      Suh will be a top 4 DT.

                      Bradford will probably be about 10th.

                      The big difference is that Suh will be about 2x the 15th highest paid DT.
                      Bradford will be about 30% more than than the 15th QB.

                      My point was that you can get high quality DTs in free agency and significantly pay less than Suh. That's not a reality with a QB. If you can get a high quality QB in free agency, you are probably paying as much as Bradford is making.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Contract Figures

                        Originally posted by RebelYell View Post
                        My point was that you can get high quality DTs in free agency and significantly pay less than Suh.
                        Tell that to the Redskins. ;)

                        In all honesty, I understand that if you have a great QB and a great DT, you're going to end up paying more for the quarterback. But I'm just failing to see a logical reason as to why that should be a factor in the prospect the Rams take with their first overall pick.

                        The Rams need to evaluate these guys and select the prospect whom they think is the best option at a position of need. If their choice is hinging on who is worthier of the contract they're going to receive, then they're probably already fighting a losing battle.

                        I don't want them sitting in the war room going back and forth only to say, "Well the quarterback is more deserving of that kind of money so we'll go with him." For the same reason I don't want them saying, "Well quarterback is the more important position, so we'll go with him."

                        If the grades are close, you can probably justify it. But I have a hard time believing the grades get that close without a big emphasis placed on the QB position and, as you've pointed out, the money that will have to be paid. And to me, if I'm trying to improve a team, those aren't the factors I want my decision to hinge on.

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