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    Last edited by Nick; -03-11-2010, 09:00 AM.

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    Re: Monster D-tackles Suh, McCoy could emerge as NFL No. 1 pick

    Here is the article, without a link:


    By Jim Corbett, USA TODAY
    Should the St. Louis Rams select former Nebraska monster-truck defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh or menacing, havoc-wreaking former Oklahoma defensive tackle Gerald McCoy?
    That is the intriguing defensive tackle debate that could be facing the Rams, who are also considering McCoy's Sooners teammate, top-rated quarterback Sam Bradford, with the No. 1 overall pick of the 2010 draft.

    In a quarterback-centric league that witnessed a record 10 4,000-yard passers during the 2009 season, the Rams have to take a long look at Bradford, the potential long-term answer as the face of their franchise.

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    But if they pass on Bradford and his rebuilt throwing shoulder, they'll likely be weighing two high-motor, high-character monsters in the middle who can bloody and intimidate the faces of other franchises.

    Making the right choice among the two-headed monster of "McSuh" is the pre-draft decision facing Rams general manager Billy Devaney and defensive-minded head coach Steve Spagnuolo.

    "They're great players," Devaney said of Suh and McCoy. "They're going to be great players."

    Former Rams defensive tackle D'Marco Farr, now a Rams radio analyst, was asked who fits Spagnuolo's 4-3 scheme better.

    "Ndamukong Suh (en-DOM-ah-ken soo) just for the way he plays the game," Farr said. "There's more upside. I love McCoy, his get-off and motor as a three-technique guy.

    "But Suh plays the more technically tight game, more like Minnesota Vikings (five-time Pro Bowl) defensive tackle Kevin Williams, who can play some defensive end.

    "If I had my pick, I'd take Suh."

    McCoy was asked whether quarterbacks should fear him.

    "Should they be afraid of me? Probably," he smiled. "My plan is to kill them."

    McCoy laughed, indicating that the comment was intended in the figurative sense. What about facing former teammate Bradford in the NFL?

    "I'm going to kill Sam," McCoy cracked. "A lineman's dream is a clean move and a clear path to the quarterback. In practice, that happened a lot, but they blew the whistle."

    Said Suh: "I want to be No. 1 (overall). So that's what I'm going to strive for.

    "I'd definitely be happy for him (McCoy). But I'd definitely be disappointed with myself not getting it. I'm a competitor."

    Game on.

    Suh didn't let his friendship with McCoy, forged on the college awards banquet circuit, get in the way of their rivalry.

    Suh dominated in doing 32 repetitions at 225 pounds in the NFL scouting combine bench press.

    McCoy did a disappointing 23 reps, finishing 35th among 50 defensive linemen.

    But McCoy (unofficially) edged Suh 4.96 seconds compared with 4.98 seconds in Monday's 40-yard dash among defensive linemen.

    "We're definitely competitive with each other," Suh said. "But we're good friends off the field."

    Suh's mother, Bernadette, is a teacher from Jamaica, and his father, Michael, is a mechanical contractor from the African nation of Cameroon.

    Suh was born in Portland, Ore., and was named after his paternal great-grandfather, who was 7-3.

    His first name means "House of Spears."

    It could mean "House of Pain" for NFL quarterbacks.

    Suh's quick, smooth feet are the result of playing soccer as a youngster. "I don't get as tired as people my similar size," Suh said. "But I moved away from soccer."

    Why was that?

    "Too many red cards," he said, smiling.

    McCoy was USA TODAY's 2005 high school player of the year out of Oklahoma City's Southeast High School.

    "Where I come from, we didn't have much money or the best facilities," he said. "We had a dirt track and a goal post that was leaning."

    McCoy, 6-4, 295 pounds, once had a dream of being a 238-pound running back. That was when he was a 12-year-old man-child.

    McCoy once swooped in and tackled the entire backfield.

    "One time in Little League, I tackled three people," McCoy said. "I came through, and the quarterback didn't know who to give the ball to. So I just grabbed everybody."

    The Detroit Lions, owners of the second overall pick, would be thrilled to grab either defensive tackle who falls to them.

    Jim Schwartz had current Washington Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth as his tenacious disruptor when he was the Tennessee Titans defensive coordinator before becoming the Lions head coach.

    "The shortest path to the quarterback is a straight line," Schwartz said. "It's harder to find someone good at the defensive tackle position.

    "A lot of young college defensive tackles don't have great use of hands. Suh and McCoy are exceptional that way, which allows them to be multidimensional players."

    Both are strong, versatile and explosive with the ability to play in a 3-4 or a 4-3 defensive scheme, according to Atlanta Falcons coach Mike Smith, who had Marcus Stroud and John Henderson as a dynamic defensive tackle duo when he was the Jacksonville Jaguars defensive coordinator from 2003 to 2007.

    "Both these guys have the girth to gobble up blocks and are fast and quick and can also penetrate," Smith said. "There's no doubt they can be productive for a long, long time.

    "And when you have that inside disruptor, it ties up blockers and creates one-on-one, pass-rushing opportunities on the outside."

    What better way to combat the popularity of the high-scoring spread offense in the NFL than to blow up plays by way of the shortest path to a quarterback, who is looking to step up in the middle of a collapsing pocket.

    "Inside pass rushers are the closest guy to the quarterback," Chicago Bears coach Lovie Smith said. "A dominant player right there, especially for our defense, it makes our de-fense tick.

    "It's the reason why we paid our defensive tackle (Tommie Harris) more money ($40 million over four years) than we have any other players on our team.

    "It's very important to have a disruptive guy there that can cause havoc that will make teams double-team him.

    "From what I am told and what I have seen, the two top players (Suh and McCoy) in the draft have that kind of ability."

    Suh (6-4, 307) had 24 sacks in four seasons at Nebraska, including 12 last season when he finished fourth in the Heisman Trophy voting.

    Vikings defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier was mesmerized by Suh's 4-sack, 12-tackle performance in the Big 12 championship game last season against Texas.

    "Suh completely took the game over against the run and the pass," Frazier said. "There aren't a lot of defensive tackles who can do that.

    "How Suh was so powerful that they just couldn't block him reminded me of Kevin Williams.

    "Suh just refused to be blocked and made the 'Wow!' plays, causing that disruption Kevin Williams can.

    "That effort showed he has the right mind-set to be a great player."


    • #3
      Re: Monster D-tackles Suh, McCoy could emerge as NFL No. 1 pick

      good article, but I don't like how it keeps trying (like a lot of other articles) to say how close Mccoy and Suh are in skill.. they are both great players but Suh is by far the best of the 2. The biggest argument that everyone was using for Mccoy being as good or better by Suh was his speed. Suh was slower.. but only by .02 seconds.


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      • Nick
        DTs Suh, McCoy have ability to go No. 1 in draft
        by Nick
        DTs Suh, McCoy have ability to go No. 1 in draftFeb. 27, 2010
        By Chad Reuter
        Tell Chad your opinion!

        INDIANAPOLIS -- It's rare that a pair of defensive tackles get as much attention at the combine as the elite quarterbacks. Then again, Nebraska's Ndamukong Suh and Oklahoma's Gerald McCoy are rare talents.

        Suh and McCoy are likely rated higher on many teams' boards than quarterbacks Sam Bradford (Oklahoma) and Jimmy Clausen (Notre Dame), a rarity in today's offense-happy NFL.

        The St. Louis Rams and Detroit Lions have the top two picks, and could use McCoy and Suh on their porous defenses. But two questions remain:

        Who is better? And is either worth taking in the top two selections?

        Neither question is easily answered. Suh said on Saturday that he would be happy for his "good friend" McCoy if he went No. 1. But he added that he'd "definitely be disappointed with myself not getting it. I'm a competitor. I want to be No. 1. So that's what I'm going to strive for."

        That attitude is just one of the reason teams like his game. But despite Suh finishing fourth in the Heisman voting (85 tackles, 24 for loss, 12 sacks) while riding the wave of a dominant performance against Texas in the Big 12 Championship Game, McCoy will be ranked higher on some boards because of his ability to explode into the backfield as a three-technique. His quick first step especially works well in a one-gap system where he is full-go from the snap.

        Because he redshirted, McCoy could have entered the draft after the 2008 season and been a first-round pick. But there was little doubt after an All-American junior year (15.5 tackles for loss, six sacks) that he would take his game to the NFL. After McCoy made his decision to leave school early, Sooners head coach Bob Stoops said: "I've never been associated with a young man who was any more impressive than Gerald." That's pretty high praise, even coming from a head coach.

        Suh can play any position on the line but is not quite as explosive off the snap. His strength and motor allow him to be extremely effective pressuring the passer (he had 26 quarterback hurries along with those 12 sacks), although there is some concern that NFL interior linemen won't give in as easily as college linemen did to his bull rush. Still, his exceptional stamina, manhandling of opponents using strong, quick hands that added to his length and closing speed make him a likely star in the NFL.

        Suh said Oklahoma's scheme allowed McCoy to display his explosiveness more than Bo Pelini's scheme at Nebraska. The hesitation off the snap could very well be indicative of his need to handle multiple responsibilities in the Huskers defense.

        "We played two different defenses, in my opinion. His defense was more or less, he had the freedom to...
        -02-28-2010, 01:10 PM
      • AvengerRam_old
        McCoy continues to annoy
        by AvengerRam_old
        The one comment (which I've read from a handful of fans and a couple of analysts) that I just don't get is the suggestion that Gerald McCoy should be taken before Ndamukong Suh.

        Based on what?

        Go and look up their stats (I've posted them before and I don't have the time of patience to pull them again). Its not even close. Suh's production is essentially double that of McCoy.

        And what's the context of these stats? Two guys who play in the same conference against the same competition level. Two guys who are close to the same size.

        I've heard some try to argue that McCoy has better technique. I don't see it. From what I've seen, Suh has great technique for a college player. But, even if McCoy had better technique, SUH DOUBLED HIS PRODUCTION! Imagine how Suh could produce if his technique develops further.

        If the Rams ultimately decide that they need to take a QB with the first pick, I'll be disappointed, but at least I'd understand the thinking. After all, if that pick were to turn into a franchise QB, nobody would argue with it in the long run. Similarly, if the Rams trade down, I'll have misgivings, but I'd understand the logic.

        I'll tell you this, though. If the Rams stay a pick No. 1 and take McCoy over Suh, you will hear a loud sound coming from the Southeast United States.

        It will be me screaming "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!"
        -01-26-2010, 06:25 AM
      • dave626
        Suh and Mccoy
        by dave626
        Are there any clan members who would rather take Mccoy over Suh. Im in the Bradford camp myself, but IF we swing a deal for a vet QB (a whole other thread) and are sitting there with the number one pick and the 2 DTs are there which would you take, or which have you read we are most interested in.

        I read that Spags had dinner with Mccoy and his family (not sure where I read that), and Spags really likes him.

        I havent read any such situation with Suh. I have read that Suh is a VERY serious guy and is dedicated to becoming a great football player, not that Mccoy isnt, just that Suh is noticeably so.

        The only argument Ive heard that raises Mccoy over Suh is the scheme they played in, Mccoy was attacking the gap, where as Suh was a read and react guy. Is that to say Suh cant attack the gap or Mccoy cant beat the double team IDK.

        I was hoping maybe one of you guys who are more informed than I, could shed some light on this for me. At seasons end it seemed that Suh was a lock at #1 but now, without any more games being played, compareable numbers at the combine, except of course the bench, Mccoy has somehow moved into the conversation.

        To me, that 23 reps that Mccoy put up truely shows his lack of weight room dedication, and is a GLARING weakness. Suh AS FAR AS I KNOW has no GLARING weakness.(maybe one of you guys help me out here)

        Id like to know what you guys think about it and as you can tell Im a Suh guy when talking about DTs.

        GO RAMS!!!
        -03-28-2010, 02:16 PM
      • TakeSuh
        How does suh even compare with mccoy
        by TakeSuh
        here suh 85 tackles 24 tfl 12 sacks 10 passes blocked 26 qb hurries 3 blocked kicks
        mccoy 34 tackles 11.5 tfl 6 sacks 2 passes blocked 7 qb hurries 0 blocked kicks
        NOW SOME PEOPLE BRING UP THAT MCCOY HAD MORE TALENT AROUND HIM........ lets compare the talent on both teams
        nebraska:Number one in the nation in scoring defense
        1 pass efficency defense 17 in total pass defense 7th in total defense 5th in rush defense
        Oklahoma is all above the 40s in thesw catagories.

        This just makes Suhs stats even better. Lets not forget they played in the same conference and agianst each other (nebraska won 10-3)

        Texas: Mccoy 3 tackles one sack, Suh 12 tackles 7 for loss 23 qb hurries, 4.5 sacks (other d tackle for crick, the other d tackle for nebraska, set the record for 5 sacks in one game agianst baylor)

        kansas st:mccoy 1 tackle no sacks
        suh 9 tackles one sack 4 qb hurries 2 passes defended 3 tackles for loss.

        Now lets get back to this guy crick, he had way better stats than mccoy too and he is only a sophmore:76 tackles 9.5 sacks 18 tfls, 4 blocked passes 16 qb hurries
        now im going to take a bold step here: Its not the scheme mccoy plays,its just he isnt as good as SUH OR CRICK.
        Back to Suh. Suh had the way better combine and had a 35.5 inch veritcal, highest for a guy over 300 pounds since 2000, he had 9 more reps on the bench, practically tied with mccoy in the forty (when will a d tackle run 40 yars straight? (oh wait suh made 2 tackles this year like that......) and suh also outpreformed mccoy in the 3 cone drill and the shuffle. Add this up and you get one hell of a defensive tackle who intercepts passes, blocks kicks sacks the quarterback, racks up the tackles, pressures the qb, disrupts screens, can make tackles 10-20 yards down field, and tackle the ball carrier for a loss.

        how could you not want suh?

        YouTube - Ndamukong Suh

        (ps i do not care about spelling on the internet, as long as people get the general idea...)
        -03-04-2010, 08:45 PM
      • 39thebeast
        Spread and the transistion to the NFL
        by 39thebeast
        When you talk about the spread, most people talk about how it hurts a QBs transition to a pro system. That is true, but IMO it hurts defensive lineman just as much. Look at teams like Missouri and Texas Tech. who play with huge splits (space between lineman). Coming to the NFL you are most definately not going to see that. Both McCoy and Suh have taken advantage of this since almost all Big 12 teams. More concerning to me with McCoy because he did not dominate these guys as much as Suh did. In College especially against spread teams they are looking at smaller quicker guys, in the NFL they are looking at bigger stronger guys who are just as quick as those smaller guys. I guess this is a case against McCoy and for Suh. Even though the spread makes it tough to evaluate both the way Suh utterly dominated lower competition and ideal circumstances where McCoy was just Ok is disappointing. Suh literally quadrupled McCoys production against Texas. IMO if your going to play against those teams you better dominate
        -02-17-2010, 09:44 PM