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    Something struck me today when posting in another thread about the first overall pick this april and the impact either Bradford or Suh could have on the players around them. I made the case that both players have the potential to significantly impact the players around them in the long term, whilst Suh probably has the advantage of being able to do so almost from the first day of practise.

    I started to wonder why that is and I think it comes down to something deeper than the well-stated grooming period for rookie QBs. Our situation is quite particular because of who we have on defense. We may well return all of our starters at every position except for Defensive End. (Obviously Bradley Fletcher will be plugged in at corner in an attempt to stop some of the bleeding from the position last season. For the purposes of this discussion, he doesn't count because he's already on the roster.) Whilst I would not be entirely comfortable with this (we'll need a DE ASAP if Little doesn't return) I am much more comfortable with returning our starters on defense than on offense.

    In my opinion, a player like Suh can make these already established starters a whole lot better. It's a given that the play of the linebackers flanking Lauriniatis, which was heavily criticised last season, stands to see exponential levels of improvement with a better pass rush. And I say this completely aware that the incumbent starters may return to their positions in the first unit. We're not exactly missing a Defensive Tackle in particular, but we are lacking a pass rush in the worst way. Suh will go a long way to providing that, putting Chris Long, and everybody else up front for that matter, in a better position to make plays.

    I can't say I can see the same thing on the offense. Despite our best efforts, our OL is still a mess. Jason Smith, Jason Brown and Jacob Bell are the building blocks and it looks like Alex Barron might be back. For argument's sake, I'll say that only two of the five positions are secure. I'm not convinced Bell won't have to fight to keep his job. We are devoid of a second runningback and our receiving corps is still under question. Lord knows who our starting Tight End will be.

    My point is this: the immediate potential Sam Bradford could show as a member of the St. Louis Rams is mooted by the players around him, or the lack thereof. Not all needs can be filled in one offseason and if Bradford were the pick, I wouldn't expect him to start this season anyway. It just seems to me like the supporting cast on defense is much stronger than what we have on the other side of the ball.

    I'm completely undecided as to who should be our pick. I was a huge advocate of Suh when the season ended but the arguments in favour of a QB are equally as strong. If we draft Bradford, it's going to be a good day to be a Detroit Lions fan. They got their guy last season. They have one of the best WR's to come along in a very long time. They're building on defense and they now stake claim to the very best defender in this draft. With this in mind, it might be high time that we drafted a QB, got the monkey off of our backs and we finally moved on to other positions of need.

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    Re: Impact Players

    Good point. Im still leaning towards taking Suh first over Bradford but will not be disappointed either way. It is easy to say Suh will make a big impact alot quicker because the defense is the better side of the ball right now, but I think it comes down to filling a void. A big whole, which has also been the focal point of many discussions and disagreements is QB. Every time I tell myself, "Hope they take Suh", I cant help but wonder who will be playing under center next year.

    In other words, whether we take Suh or Bradford next month, the question is which choice will consequently leave the team with a bigger glaring need still needing to be filled?

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      i think they are gonna get more weapons for Bradford if they sign him anyway..and whose to say that what we already have at WR cant become better when they have another year under their belts like they will have next season and somebody like Bradford throwing to them.

      whoever they decide to pick between Bradford and Suh i will be fine with...between the two who i would personally choose seems to change from week to week..i trust the brains trust at Rams park tho to make the best pick for us..that may not be the best player but it will be whose best for us im sure.

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      • clarasDK
        So how many changed their minds since the end of the regular season?
        by clarasDK
        There is a lot off back an forth on taking DT or QB with our first pick.

        At the end of the season I had a clear feeling that most would want Suh, but now many want Bradford. So did you change your mind and if yes why?

        Until now Bradford has not done much do rise his stocks, only a good interview and maybe gaining some weight. Suh had a VERY good combine so he has done nothing to decline his value.
        I wanted Suh then and I want him now
        61.11%
        33
        I wanted Suh then but I want Bradford now
        24.07%
        13
        I wanted Bradford then but want Suh now
        0.00%
        0
        I wanted Bradford then and I want him now
        9.26%
        5
        I want somebody else
        5.56%
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        -03-15-2010, 03:18 PM
      • Bing69
        I still want Suh over Bradford
        by Bing69
        I know ill get bashed for this but i really think Suh would be the better choice as the no.1 pick. Now that Carriker is gone, we can forget about that 'we've made 2 high defensive picks in the last 3 years,we have to draft Bradford ahhhhhh' thing. We only have Long now.

        Lets think about our defensive line

        Long Ryan Robbins Little? Hall

        That line aint gonna do very well now is it. Especially if Little doesnt come back. Now if we draft Suh it will look like this

        Long Ryan/Robbins Suh Little?Hall

        Already looks more solid. Now what if we trade for Osi

        Osi Ryan/Robbins Suh Long

        That line looks like it could cause trouble.

        If we draft Bradford, sure the offense would improve slightly, or it could be just a dire. I understand the logic of picking Bradford, give us hope, a new face for the franchise etc. but Jackson is the face of our franchise. Maybe McCoy will be a wonderful hit (if we draft him)

        This is just how i feel, and i can say honestly if we pick Bradford tomorrow i will not be happy! But i will support the lad, and hope he brings the business. I just want us to shun the media and experts by taking Suh and continue to build a good , talented, young base which will put in a good position for years to come
        -04-21-2010, 06:58 AM
      • AvengerRam_old
        Don't be that guy
        by AvengerRam_old
        Eventually, each of us will have to decide who we favor: Bradford or Suh/G.McCoy. We can only take one of these guys, and a choice will have to be made.

        If you find yourself in the Suh/.G.McCoy camp, that's fine. They are Blue Chip prospects at a premium position.

        If you decide that Bradford is the way to go, that's also fine. He is the concensus top QB in this draft.

        But, whoever you choose, don't make your point by needlessly tearing down the other player(s). I'm starting to see this on other boards... posters who support Suh/G.McCoy with over the top critiques of Bradford that make him sound like the second coming of Ryan Leaf... Bradford fans who are trying to convince everyone that Suh/G.McCoy are overrated players with high bust potential.

        Don't be that guy.

        These are all solid prospects and one can make a reasonable argument for any one of them (even G.McCoy - though I personally see Suh as vastly superior).

        This is NOT and easy decision. Even if it makes you feel better to argue that it is... it isn't.

        Seriously... don't be that guy.
        -03-23-2010, 09:06 PM
      • HUbison
        My final take on Bradford vs. Suh.
        by HUbison
        These thoughts will not change over the next month.......assuming neither of them molests a goat or some such thing. Here's a few things that I think will happen over the next decade (barring injury or end-of-the-world type stuff):

        Bradford will be a very good QB.

        Suh will be an elite DT.

        With Suh, the Rams defense will show serious improvement, including better ypa in the rush D, and more pressure on the QB. The offense won't change all that much.

        With Bradford, the Rams offense will show some improvement, but will require improvements to the receiving corp to make any large steps forward. The defense won't change much at all.




        I understand the QB choice. I do, I get it. And Bradford will be a really solid QB. He'll show it on his pro day; he'll make crisp accurate passes, he'll dazzle in interviews, he will demonstrate to franchises that he is an intelligent, articulate young man with all the intangibles you'd ever want.

        But he won't be the player that Suh will be.

        Bradford will walk into Rams Park, and on the practice field, he will make everyone believe that scientists cloned Phillip Rivers and Kurt Warner, combined the DNA, and out popped Sammy.

        But he won't raise the offense the way that Suh will raise the defense.

        With Bradford, his success will rely on other pieces. Will the receivers be able to separate so that his amazing accuracy can be demonstrated? Will the line protect him the way that his Oklahoma line (manned by 5 NFL lineman in 2008) protected him?

        With Suh, his success will not be as dependent on those around him. Rather the opposite. The DEs will see more lanes as Suh occupies the interior. Same for blitzers. The DBs will look better as pockets collapse and QBs have to rush passes.

        Bradford will be good.......but every draft has a "Bradford".
        Suh will be great........and there may be one "Suh" a decade. (Not my words, by the way.)

        So do we draft a Bradford, then wait a decade for the next Suh?
        Or do we draft Suh, and pick up next year's Bradford?



        Look, I'm not saying Bradford isn't worth the #1 pick......if Suh weren't in it. Take Suh out of the draft, and Bradford is the #1 pick (though McCoy fans would have their valid points as well). So, no, I'm not going to complain about drafting Bradford at #1. In any ordinary year, he is a #1 pick.

        I'm just saying that with Suh available, this isn't an "ordinary" year.

        I'm sure Bradford will do fine. But I would be lying if I said his long-term health isn't a concern. The Rams have protected their QB with a sack % of 7.5% to 8.0% over the past few years. But he's coming from an offense that protected him with a sack % of 2.7%. And even then (as Nick has pointed out),...
        -03-12-2010, 10:33 AM
      • CanadianRamsFan
        What would you expect?
        by CanadianRamsFan
        I'm curious as it looks like, for the most part, people think it will be either Suh or Bradford. My question is what would you expect from them? If we draft Suh what kind of season do you think he would have? Same question with Bradford.
        -03-07-2010, 11:07 PM
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