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  • #1

    Don't be that guy

    Eventually, each of us will have to decide who we favor: Bradford or Suh/G.McCoy. We can only take one of these guys, and a choice will have to be made.

    If you find yourself in the Suh/.G.McCoy camp, that's fine. They are Blue Chip prospects at a premium position.

    If you decide that Bradford is the way to go, that's also fine. He is the concensus top QB in this draft.

    But, whoever you choose, don't make your point by needlessly tearing down the other player(s). I'm starting to see this on other boards... posters who support Suh/G.McCoy with over the top critiques of Bradford that make him sound like the second coming of Ryan Leaf... Bradford fans who are trying to convince everyone that Suh/G.McCoy are overrated players with high bust potential.

    Don't be that guy.

    These are all solid prospects and one can make a reasonable argument for any one of them (even G.McCoy - though I personally see Suh as vastly superior).

    This is NOT and easy decision. Even if it makes you feel better to argue that it is... it isn't.

    Seriously... don't be that guy.
    Last edited by AvengerRam_old; -03-23-2010, 10:11 PM.
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  • #2
    Re: Don't be that guy

    **looks around** and declares I'm not that guy.

    But well said ... At least there are prospects for the Rams to decide on taking number 1 , better to have choices than no choice.

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    • #3
      Re: Don't be that guy

      I've become so confused recently that I'm starting to think that Sam Bradford is some sort of Ryan Leaf doppelganger better suited to playing football for the Backsteet Boys who own the exclusive rights to the umpteenth pick than to be that heir apparent at QB for the Rams. What's more, I'm becoming convinced that Ndamukong Suh is some sort of vastly overrated half chimpanzee half Godzilla half defensive tackle who will eventually realise his genetic faux pas, peel a banana, smash a few buildings, and flop out of the league.

      Either way, we're screwed.

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      • #4
        Re: Don't be that guy

        Ever since the end of the season, ive been saying that pretty much anyone we draft il be fine with. We need help everywhere, and we need to improve the talent level on the team. I trust the front office to pick the right players. I cant criticise because im not an NFL scout.

        The only thing i dont want is for the team to take someone with character issues, but i think we have seen in the past that the DeSpags regime doesnt do that.
        @EssexRam_

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        • #5
          Re: Don't be that guy

          it has begun to look more like the run up to a political election where each side seems more interested in starting a smear campaign against the opposition rather than going into what their own candidate can (or can`t )do.

          that happens every year it seems..tho glad i am not the only one whose noticed it.

          another thing i would like to say to the Ram Nation is..if whoever you have been campaigning for is not the pick...support the other guy..either one is gonna need to adjust to the NFL..Bradford will throw some picks and Suh will get stonewalled from time to time..dont start calling any of them a bust in season one..support our rookies..you being able to say"we shouldnt have drafted him" is not gonna get you a GM job..and doing it where the rookie could hear it is only gonna hinder the player and the Rams...rookies need our support..be a true fan and give it,whoever it is!

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          • #6
            Re: Don't be that guy

            I think we should trade down from number one and get an extra 2nd round and any extra picks and take another QB like Colt McCoy, Jimmy Clausen but just dont draft Tim Tebow hes too cocky. with the 2nd extra pick we can chose a RB and maybe a DT.

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            • #7
              Re: Don't be that guy

              im gonna rip both...GO TEBOW

              jk all jk

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              • #8
                Re: Don't be that guy

                Bradford is Tim Couch!

                Suh is Jimmy Kennedy!

                McCoy is Damione Lewis!


                Boooo they all suxxzzzz



                Tim Tebow all da [email protected]!!!

                YAYAYAYAYAYAYA Gator Pride Chomp chomp!


                ;)

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                • #9
                  Re: Don't be that guy

                  Originally posted by Ramblin` Ram View Post
                  ..if whoever you have been campaigning for is not the pick...support the other guy..either one is gonna need to adjust to the NFL..Bradford will throw some picks and Suh will get stonewalled from time to time..dont start calling any of them a bust in season one..support our rookies..you being able to say"we shouldnt have drafted him" is not gonna get you a GM job..and doing it where the rookie could hear it is only gonna hinder the player and the Rams...rookies need our support..be a true fan and give it,whoever it is!
                  Hear Hear, though it will inevitably happen. Joe Pickshisnose will come on here and call Suh/Bradford a bust because he had a rough game and didn't throw 4 touchdowns and 400 yards because that is just the way it is. The more talked about a prospect is the mroe ridiculous assumptions and expectations people get. I just hope we don't get a situation in the dome where people do that crap because that will truly get me pissed off and isn't helping anyone, in fact, could very well be damaging the rookie and his confidence. Give a guy a chance people and remember that the NFL is the top stage and that coming from college to the NFL is a significant jump where every guy is just about at his peak physical conditioning.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Don't be that guy

                    Is McCoy even in the discussion still? I don't read of him mentioned much anymore as true competition for Suh's spot as the #1 DT. Don't really know why.

                    I'd be perfectly fine with either guy. If Rams leadership thinks they are the best option, I have 100% confidence in their decision making process. Can't say I felt that way 2 years ago!

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                    • #11
                      Re: Don't be that guy

                      Originally posted by RebelYell View Post
                      Is McCoy even in the discussion still? I don't read of him mentioned much anymore as true competition for Suh's spot as the #1 DT. Don't really know why.
                      I agree with you. While there are a few media-types who have pushed the notion that McCoy will jump Suh as the top defensive prospect, I've heard nothing from Devaney or Spagnuolo to that effect. It would certainly surprise me if the Rams went with McCoy as the top pick.

                      That said, if Spags and Devaney think he's the best choice, I'll accept that and hope they prove to be right.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Don't be that guy

                        Originally posted by AvengerRam View Post
                        Eventually, each of us will have to decide who we favor: Bradford or Suh/G.McCoy. We can only take one of these guys, and a choice will have to be made.

                        If you find yourself in the Suh/.G.McCoy camp, that's fine. They are Blue Chip prospects at a premium position.

                        If you decide that Bradford is the way to go, that's also fine. He is the concensus top QB in this draft.

                        But, whoever you choose, don't make your point by needlessly tearing down the other player(s). I'm starting to see this on other boards... posters who support Suh/G.McCoy with over the top critiques of Bradford that make him sound like the second coming of Ryan Leaf... Bradford fans who are trying to convince everyone that Suh/G.McCoy are overrated players with high bust potential.

                        Don't be that guy.

                        These are all solid prospects and one can make a reasonable argument for any one of them (even G.McCoy - though I personally see Suh as vastly superior).

                        This is NOT and easy decision. Even if it makes you feel better to argue that it is... it isn't.

                        Seriously... don't be that guy.
                        Ohh whatever do you mean Mr. Avenger?

                        I agree 100% lets hope that the Rams make the best choice that will once again make the Rams competitive in the division.

                        Go Rams

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                        • #13
                          Re: Don't be that guy

                          Originally posted by AvengerRam View Post
                          That said, if Spags and Devaney think he's the best choice, I'll accept that and hope they prove to be right.
                          I agree completely. If they like a guy, I'm going with the theory he fits the system better than the alternative. It's easy to say Suh is better than McCoy but if he doesn't fit the system, he isn't better.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Don't be that guy

                            You know what would be funny? If the Rams didn't pick any of the players we are discussing... HAHA... Like what if the Rams picked Eric Berry, Dez Bryant, or Russell Okung? I would keel over with laughter. This forum would explode!!!
                            Last edited by Guest; -03-24-2010, 11:08 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Don't be that guy

                              No matter who they pick with the 1 I will be behind the team.

                              I just hope we will begin winning some games soon! And I really think the current management and coaching staff can get it done.

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                              • Bing69
                                I still want Suh over Bradford
                                by Bing69
                                I know ill get bashed for this but i really think Suh would be the better choice as the no.1 pick. Now that Carriker is gone, we can forget about that 'we've made 2 high defensive picks in the last 3 years,we have to draft Bradford ahhhhhh' thing. We only have Long now.

                                Lets think about our defensive line

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                                If we draft Bradford, sure the offense would improve slightly, or it could be just a dire. I understand the logic of picking Bradford, give us hope, a new face for the franchise etc. but Jackson is the face of our franchise. Maybe McCoy will be a wonderful hit (if we draft him)

                                This is just how i feel, and i can say honestly if we pick Bradford tomorrow i will not be happy! But i will support the lad, and hope he brings the business. I just want us to shun the media and experts by taking Suh and continue to build a good , talented, young base which will put in a good position for years to come
                                -04-21-2010, 06:58 AM
                              • RamFan_Til_I_Die
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                                by RamFan_Til_I_Die
                                I can't be the only one that gets annoyed by all these so called draft "experts" that change there mind like r8rh8rmike changes his underwear...about once a week. I'm going to use SI's main mock "expert" as an example. Not becuase he's the best, but because his past mocks are easy to find. H3e's just an example of what annoys me.

                                Don Banks 2010 NFL Mock Drafts thusfar:

                                Suh is a rock solid concensus as the surest thing. Sounds great, right?

                                So roughly a month later, the day before the DT's do anything at the combine, the rock solid concensus is now split 50/50 and McCoy is our choice. Um ok. Nothing changed so why did his opinion?

                                So because of one quote from Devaney, who is only making picks to save his job, we're now taking a QB in Stafford. Yeah ok, whatever you say Donny boy.

                                Again implying they'll pick to stay employed rather than to make the pick that helps the team the most, while also covering his backside in case they don't pick Bradford. Pretty typical "expert" BS.

                                Bradford had a good pro day so now it's a sure thing. OK now at this point I can see someone switching to Bradford as a possibility, but before no way. It just makes no sense. But even still what happened to Suh the "rock solid concensus as the surest thing.?"

                                WOW. We sure did a 180 in two and a half months didn't we. First Suh is the "rock solid concensus as the surest thing" and now to take anyone but Bradford is "the kind of stunning turn of events we haven't seen in years."

                                This is just one example of what annoys me about these "experts." McShay has flopped from Suh to Bradford also, while Kiper has flipped from Suh being "the most dominating defensive tackle I've seen in 32 years of doing this." to Clausen. It seems like they build up and exaggerate the plus side of whoever they want. For the longest time all we heard was Suh is a lock to go #1 to the Rams, and now it's a QB. Yes I know Blger is now gone, but these guys flopped to QBs while he was still here. Is it anything more than hype and these draft guys feeding off of each other that made Suh go from the guaranteed pick to now being the #2 DT behind McCoy in many people's eyes? I just don't get it. These guys annoy the crap out of me....
                                -04-17-2010, 09:26 PM
                              • clarasDK
                                So how many changed their minds since the end of the regular season?
                                by clarasDK
                                There is a lot off back an forth on taking DT or QB with our first pick.

                                At the end of the season I had a clear feeling that most would want Suh, but now many want Bradford. So did you change your mind and if yes why?

                                Until now Bradford has not done much do rise his stocks, only a good interview and maybe gaining some weight. Suh had a VERY good combine so he has done nothing to decline his value.
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                                -03-15-2010, 03:18 PM
                              • Bar-bq
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                                by Bar-bq
                                Something struck me today when posting in another thread about the first overall pick this april and the impact either Bradford or Suh could have on the players around them. I made the case that both players have the potential to significantly impact the players around them in the long term, whilst Suh probably has the advantage of being able to do so almost from the first day of practise.

                                I started to wonder why that is and I think it comes down to something deeper than the well-stated grooming period for rookie QBs. Our situation is quite particular because of who we have on defense. We may well return all of our starters at every position except for Defensive End. (Obviously Bradley Fletcher will be plugged in at corner in an attempt to stop some of the bleeding from the position last season. For the purposes of this discussion, he doesn't count because he's already on the roster.) Whilst I would not be entirely comfortable with this (we'll need a DE ASAP if Little doesn't return) I am much more comfortable with returning our starters on defense than on offense.

                                In my opinion, a player like Suh can make these already established starters a whole lot better. It's a given that the play of the linebackers flanking Lauriniatis, which was heavily criticised last season, stands to see exponential levels of improvement with a better pass rush. And I say this completely aware that the incumbent starters may return to their positions in the first unit. We're not exactly missing a Defensive Tackle in particular, but we are lacking a pass rush in the worst way. Suh will go a long way to providing that, putting Chris Long, and everybody else up front for that matter, in a better position to make plays.

                                I can't say I can see the same thing on the offense. Despite our best efforts, our OL is still a mess. Jason Smith, Jason Brown and Jacob Bell are the building blocks and it looks like Alex Barron might be back. For argument's sake, I'll say that only two of the five positions are secure. I'm not convinced Bell won't have to fight to keep his job. We are devoid of a second runningback and our receiving corps is still under question. Lord knows who our starting Tight End will be.

                                My point is this: the immediate potential Sam Bradford could show as a member of the St. Louis Rams is mooted by the players around him, or the lack thereof. Not all needs can be filled in one offseason and if Bradford were the pick, I wouldn't expect him to start this season anyway. It just seems to me like the supporting cast on defense is much stronger than what we have on the other side of the ball.

                                I'm completely undecided as to who should be our pick. I was a huge advocate of Suh when the season ended but the arguments in favour of a QB are equally as strong. If we draft Bradford, it's going to be a good day to be a Detroit Lions fan. They got their guy last season. They have one of the best WR's to...
                                -03-13-2010, 12:35 AM
                              • HUbison
                                My final take on Bradford vs. Suh.
                                by HUbison
                                These thoughts will not change over the next month.......assuming neither of them molests a goat or some such thing. Here's a few things that I think will happen over the next decade (barring injury or end-of-the-world type stuff):

                                Bradford will be a very good QB.

                                Suh will be an elite DT.

                                With Suh, the Rams defense will show serious improvement, including better ypa in the rush D, and more pressure on the QB. The offense won't change all that much.

                                With Bradford, the Rams offense will show some improvement, but will require improvements to the receiving corp to make any large steps forward. The defense won't change much at all.




                                I understand the QB choice. I do, I get it. And Bradford will be a really solid QB. He'll show it on his pro day; he'll make crisp accurate passes, he'll dazzle in interviews, he will demonstrate to franchises that he is an intelligent, articulate young man with all the intangibles you'd ever want.

                                But he won't be the player that Suh will be.

                                Bradford will walk into Rams Park, and on the practice field, he will make everyone believe that scientists cloned Phillip Rivers and Kurt Warner, combined the DNA, and out popped Sammy.

                                But he won't raise the offense the way that Suh will raise the defense.

                                With Bradford, his success will rely on other pieces. Will the receivers be able to separate so that his amazing accuracy can be demonstrated? Will the line protect him the way that his Oklahoma line (manned by 5 NFL lineman in 2008) protected him?

                                With Suh, his success will not be as dependent on those around him. Rather the opposite. The DEs will see more lanes as Suh occupies the interior. Same for blitzers. The DBs will look better as pockets collapse and QBs have to rush passes.

                                Bradford will be good.......but every draft has a "Bradford".
                                Suh will be great........and there may be one "Suh" a decade. (Not my words, by the way.)

                                So do we draft a Bradford, then wait a decade for the next Suh?
                                Or do we draft Suh, and pick up next year's Bradford?



                                Look, I'm not saying Bradford isn't worth the #1 pick......if Suh weren't in it. Take Suh out of the draft, and Bradford is the #1 pick (though McCoy fans would have their valid points as well). So, no, I'm not going to complain about drafting Bradford at #1. In any ordinary year, he is a #1 pick.

                                I'm just saying that with Suh available, this isn't an "ordinary" year.

                                I'm sure Bradford will do fine. But I would be lying if I said his long-term health isn't a concern. The Rams have protected their QB with a sack % of 7.5% to 8.0% over the past few years. But he's coming from an offense that protected him with a sack % of 2.7%. And even then (as Nick has pointed out),...
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