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  • The Value of a Plan B (or... why the Rams are meeting with Colt McCoy)

    I'm starting to wonder if there might be a parallel between the Rams' situation this year and the one faced by the Texans in 2006.

    As I recall it, in the weeks leading up to the draft, the Texans were believed by all to be targeting Reggie Bush as the first pick in the draft. Then, when negotiations broke down, they went to their Plan B, Mario Williams (and, of course, it all worked out fairly well for them).

    Similarly, the Rams are believed by most to be targeting Sam Bradford. I presume that they will be negotiating with his agent soon, if they are not already doing so.

    In this context, it is necessary to have viable "Plan B." Otherwise, Bradford's agent can take a hard line with the Rams, basically stating "you have no choice but to pay what we ask."

    Ndamukong Suh, standing alone, is not a viable "Plan B." The reason: nobody is going to buy that the Rams are willing to go to battle next year with Feeley and Null as their top 2 QBs.

    Add Colt McCoy to the equation, and now you have a viable "Plan B" (Suh in Round 1, McCoy in Round 2).

    In another thread, I posed the question: why release Bulger now?

    Perhaps, part of the reason was the possibility that some team that might take McCoy late in Round 2 would instead sign Bulger. Or, if that was not the plan, maybe it could work just work out that way (i.e. maybe the Vikings will sign Bulger to back up Favre rather than considering a QB in Round 1).

    In any event, I think that, if Bradford and his agent are unreasonable, the Rams have their "Mario Williams" plan in Suh/McCoy.

    Who knows... Plan B might even become Plan A.

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    Re: The Value of a Plan B (or... why the Rams are meeting with Colt McCoy)

    Your 100% right, this is also the reason we will meet with Claussen and Suh.

    It's to increase leverage in negotiations with Bradford.

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    • #3
      Re: The Value of a Plan B (or... why the Rams are meeting with Colt McCoy)

      If we dont get a contract worked out before the draft with Bradford, it will be quite exciting to see what happens.

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        Re: The Value of a Plan B (or... why the Rams are meeting with Colt McCoy)

        I love the scenario, but my concern is although projected to be there, that someone might actually pick him up. I really dont see the Rams doing it at this point, but what if they did pick up Suh in the first, Colt being there in the 2nd still wouldnt be a guarantee.

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        • #5
          Re: The Value of a Plan B (or... why the Rams are meeting with Colt McCoy)

          Originally posted by unorthodox1999 View Post
          I love the scenario, but my concern is although projected to be there, that someone might actually pick him up. I really dont see the Rams doing it at this point, but what if they did pick up Suh in the first, Colt being there in the 2nd still wouldnt be a guarantee.
          Agreed. That is one of the main reasons I favor Bradford. I think waiting for Colt in Round 2 is too risky. I probably wouldn't feel that way if Dan LeFevour had a better Pro Day, but his reviews were mixed at best.

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          • #6
            Re: The Value of a Plan B (or... why the Rams are meeting with Colt McCoy)

            If I were management and really wanted to sell this.... I'd bring Tebow in as well. That way they'd really think you're crazy enough to do anything and be more willing to sign.

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            • #7
              Re: The Value of a Plan B (or... why the Rams are meeting with Colt McCoy)

              Originally posted by AvengerRam View Post
              Agreed. That is one of the main reasons I favor Bradford. I think waiting for Colt in Round 2 is too risky. I probably wouldn't feel that way if Dan LeFevour had a better Pro Day, but his reviews were mixed at best.
              Is trading back into the first round from #33 also an option? Serious question here.

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              • #8
                Re: The Value of a Plan B (or... why the Rams are meeting with Colt McCoy)

                Originally posted by PeoriaRam View Post
                Is trading back into the first round from #33 also an option? Serious question here.
                Sure, but in the past, trades of that type have been very expensive.

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                • #9
                  Re: The Value of a Plan B (or... why the Rams are meeting with Colt McCoy)

                  2010 NFL Draft day. Three QBs in Bradford, Clausen, and McCoy are on the available list.

                  If Sue were our man with the #1 pick, which is a definite possibility, what are the chances of finding a CMcCoy or JClausen available at #33? I'd say fair-to-good based on the needs of 31 teams that choose after us in the 1st round. In fact, odds would not only be based on the needs but on the reality that there would only be 30 teams left, not 31 -- the obvious being that Bradford would have already been selected by someone after us. But odds are only fair-to-good, nothing better than that.

                  A double BPA in Colt and Jimmy, both being QBs, should leave us margin to find one of them available at #33. BUT it's too risky, i.e., plan B. I think the Rams will go for a much safer selection in SB (safe in terms of availability, not on whether Sams' shoulder is strong or not).

                  All the above, however plain and simple, can -- and probably will -- become more complex by teams trading up / trading down. Which is why we have the almost simplistic advantage of getting a much needed QB with the 1st pick. This is where, IMO, this year's QB selection overrides the need of a DT pick, even if it is Sue.

                  Thus, unless Sam falls before draft day and injures that shoulder, he'll most likely become a Ram. Watch your step young man!

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                  • #10
                    Re: The Value of a Plan B (or... why the Rams are meeting with Colt McCoy)

                    I wouldn't mind Plan B, but i am already enamored with Bradford and wouldn't like to see him succeed elsewhere if we do pass him up. We just have to hope DeSpags make the right choice and be happy with it and support our Rams.

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                    • #11
                      Re: The Value of a Plan B (or... why the Rams are meeting with Colt McCoy)

                      Originally posted by AvengerRam View Post
                      Sure, but in the past, trades of that type have been very expensive.
                      How much? Next year's first rounder plus the second this year?

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                      • #12
                        Re: The Value of a Plan B (or... why the Rams are meeting with Colt McCoy)

                        Originally posted by PeoriaRam View Post
                        How much? Next year's first rounder plus the second this year?
                        Its hard to say. The Trade Value Chart values a move from #33 to #28 at 80 points, which is the equivalent of a fourth round pick. A move from #33 to #20 is valued at 270 points, which would be the eqivalent of the last pick in Round 2.

                        I don't think the Rams would have to give pick #33 and next year's first rounder to move up a few spots, but they might have to package the 33rd and 65th picks, which would be a substantial price unless you are REALLY high on Colt McCoy.

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                        • eldfan
                          Ndamukong Suh Will Go #1 That Doesn't Mean Rams Won't Get a Qb
                          by eldfan
                          by Jonathan Maurer Jonathan MaurerContributor


                          Contributor Written on February 08, 2010



                          The Rams have the #1 pick in the draft which comes as no surprise to a lot of people. It is pretty clear that the Rams are not gonna pass up on a monster like Ndamukong Suh. But that does not mean that they can't find a franchise QB in the draft. Why? Think about it! Joe Montana went in the 3rd round and won 4 Superbowl's with the *****, Brett Favre went in the 2nd round, Drew Brees who won the Superbowl yesterday was drafted in the second round, Tom Brady went in the 6th round!



                          I think the future franchise QB for the Rams is Colt McCoy. I actually think Colt McCoy is the next Joe Montana (no joke). Joe Montana came from a famous school in Notre Dame but wasn't really looked at as your prototypical NFL quarterback. But he was still an accurate passer and he was a winner. That is what I see what with Colt McCoy which is an accurate passer and a winner. People doubt him because of his arm but those same people doubted Drew Brees and he won a Superbowl MVP yesterday.


                          If the Rams do draft Colt McCoy he might not contribute right away. So the Rams should sign Marc Bulger to a two year deal that way Colt Mccoy can develop more. I know there are going to be some that will disagree with me (or a lot who will). But I will stick by my statement until proven wrong. Colt McCoy is the next Joe Montana!
                          -02-09-2010, 01:23 PM
                        • xkidflowx
                          Colt Mccoy + Suh..
                          by xkidflowx
                          WHAT IF... we had drafted Suh.. then colt mccoy in the 2nd.. do you think we would have been a better team? because me and my friends had a arguement and me defending bradford. My point was that, Bradford was the best thing that can ever happen to any organziation.

                          their point.. Colt Mccoy is the REAL DEAL and SUH is the real deal....

                          So let me hear your guys thoughts!
                          -11-30-2010, 12:56 PM
                        • Battering_RAMS
                          Colt McCoy?
                          by Battering_RAMS
                          If we take Suh #1 what do you think the chance of us taking McCoy at #33? How would you feel about him being our future qb? I know little about him and havent seen much of his play.
                          -03-04-2010, 02:21 PM
                        • clarasDK
                          Are there a chance that Colt McCoy is still there at nr 33?
                          by clarasDK
                          I am pretty sure that the Rams will take Bradford with the nr 1 pick this year. But in my heart I still hope for some lucky break that will give us Suh and Colt McCoy in the second round.

                          I have tried to analyse the first round to see what the chances are for McCoy to slip to the pick nr 33.

                          As I see it the QB order is:
                          1. Bradford
                          2. Clausen
                          3. McCoy

                          Tebow could be a wildcard that could pop up before Clausen or McCoy. But nobody really has an idea where and to whom Tebow will go.

                          That means if the Rams takes Suh only two other teams can take a QB or else Colt will be gone before nr 33.

                          Bradford would probably go to the Redskins(4), Seahawks(6) or Browns (7)

                          Clausen would probably go to Raiders (8), Bills (9) or Jaguars (10)

                          I think most teams would see it as a reach go after Colt McCoy in the top 10.

                          From pick 11-20 I only think the Whiners would consider taking him (as they have two picks they could use pick nr 17 to take a chance).

                          From 21 - 32 I only see the Vikings having a real QB need.

                          Scenario 1:
                          So for the McCoy with nr 33 scenario to happen we would have to hope that no one sees him as having top 10 value, That the Whiners don't take a chance on him, that nobody wants to pay for trading up before the Vikings and that the Vikings do not take him.

                          I would say the Vikings taking him is the biggest risk here.

                          Scenario 2:
                          Raiders take the player with the best 40 time or some workout warrior like OT: Bruce Cambell
                          Bills go BPA and take a player like Spiller
                          Jaguars takes Tebow (that would at least sell some tickets) or another player that they consider to be BPA with nr 10.

                          That might lead to Clausen falling to the Vikings who would take him.

                          Again in this scenario nobody are allowed to trade up to take McCoy and the Whiners should also keep their hands of him.

                          Scenario 3:
                          Rams trade up to get him.

                          The question is how fare up do we have to go?

                          Trade partners coulde be:

                          27. Dallas
                          They do not have that many big needs in the draft so they could be interested in a trade. Maybe our second pick this year and next year (with option of it being a 1 pick next year instead if Colt McCoy plays well as a rookie)? Or something similar.
                          29. Jets
                          Same as Dallas

                          We could probably also get a deal going with a team like Philly at nr 24 or the Patsies at nr 22 (they love to trade out of the first round). But that would probably be even more costly.

                          Maybe we could sweeten a deal with the Patsies by throwing in Carriker who would be good fit as a DE for their 3-4 defence, and they have had problems keeping pressure on their opponenents QB's last year.

                          The questions is "is...
                          -04-11-2010, 11:59 AM
                        • tomahawk247
                          If draft was today, Rams would apparently select DT McCoy
                          by tomahawk247
                          Report from Rotoworld:
                          According to FoxSports.com's John Czarnecki, Rams coach Steve Spagnuolo would select Oklahoma DT Gerald McCoy if the draft was today.
                          Spags apparently feels strongly enough about McCoy that the rest of the front office would go along the pick. Fans of Sam Bradford in the organization will have to wait for his pro day in late March to build momentum. If Bradford is able to allay doubts about his shoulder, we still believe the Rams will end up going quarterback at No. 1.

                          What Jon Czarnecki actually said on his post:
                          If the draft was today, the Rams would select Oklahoma defensive tackle Gerald McCoy because he is the player that head coach Steve Spagnuolo likes better. Fortunately for Rams fans who want a quarterback after passing on Matt Ryan and Mark Sanchez the past two Aprils, the team has seven weeks to change Spags’ mind. McCoy’s OU teammate, quarterback Sam Bradford, plans to throw and show off his surgically repaired right shoulder on March 25. A year ago, Bradford was the consensus top quarterback, ahead of Matthew Stafford, but he opted to return to play college football.

                          Interesting, but also unsurprising considering the timing. We have heard people talk about Suh going number 1, and about Bradford, but not much about McCoy going there. No surprise to see the Rams make it a definite three horse race and keep people guessing til the draft gets closer. I have heard Mike Mayock's reasons for putting McCoy over Suh, but the two players were tied going in to the combine and Suh did better in almost every drill, so i see no reason to think McCoy is better personally
                          -03-02-2010, 05:05 PM
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