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  • who would you rather have, haynesworth or suh?

    espn is reporting that haynesworth can be had for a second and fourth round pick. They would be eating 31 million of the 40 million guaranteed money for one year (4 sacks). If the skins make that deal, i think from an economic point, it would certainly put them even ahead of the Drew Bennett debacle for most painful contract hit in league history.

    Would you rather have Suh or haynseworth? How about dan williams or hayneworth? How about the 33 or haynesworth.

    It never ceases to amaze me how draft picks are valued. Haynesworth is a proven superstar in the nfl, yet people will value highly paid rookies who have accomplished nothing at the nfl level greater than a proven all pro.

    THis is the most screwed up point of all the economic issues in the nfl. Can anyone else name another career where someone right out of school with no experience gets paid the same money as a proven star in the profession?

    As a lawyer, this is the equivalent of saying that someone graduating first in his class from Yale law school should make the same money as a senior partner at a major new york law firm. The comparison is a joke.

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  • #2
    Re: who would you rather have, haynesworth or suh?

    I agree with you to a point about draft worth versus proven veterans. If Brandon Marshall didn't have the personality conflicts with the Broncos, he is definately worth a high 1st rounder (maybe pick 20+) or a second rnd + a later round pick. He is a proven star and a choice that presents less risk.

    On the other hand, Haynesworth is available for a reason. He presents different risks than a rookie would; I don't know if Haynesworth is the best example you could use.

    On a more general point, I tend to agree with you.


    • #3
      Re: who would you rather have, haynesworth or suh?

      suh, even though you can tell by my name


      • #4
        Re: who would you rather have, haynesworth or suh?

        Suh!!! Have him and the defense age at the same rate.

        As for the lawyer, you can only have so many affairs before it becomes a distraction. This senior partner had a massive ego complex which was really off putting to the judges he sees in court everyday.

        The kid from Yale is simply adored by his peers and he took a ballroom dancing class while in college.

        Plus there's the whispers that the Sr partner may be showing the first signs of dementia...


        • #5
          Re: who would you rather have, haynesworth or suh?

          If all things were equal (i.e. either could be obtained with the 33rd pick, they would be paid the same amount), I'd go with Suh. Haynesworth strikes me as a somewhat less than four pillars kind of guy, which detracts from his unquestionable talent.

          Of course, its not equal. If the Rams could get Haynesworth for the #33rd pick (and maybe throw in Carriker), I'd do it so the Rams could end up with Bradford and Haynesworth. Sure, there would be risk there, and Haynesworth (even with Washington having paid a substantial portion) will not come cheap. Still, I think I'd take that chance.

          The only way to get Suh is with the first pick. That creates a problem at QB, so right now I don't favor that option.


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          • Bralidore(RAMMODE)
            Problems with Drafting Suh?
            by Bralidore(RAMMODE)
            Money....Money Money Money. Suh reportedly has the same agent that Crabtree had last season. The same agent that notoriously causes rookie holdouts with every client he gets including the likes of Emmitt Smith, Larry Fitz, Walter Jones....Mr. Eugene Parker. If your a franchise hard up for cash and desperately need all your assets in camp come spring, this is a nasty development. He gets TOP dollar for all his clients and could likely cause Suh to be the most overpaid player......ever. Our franchise's state and Suh's stock could make this get out of hand.

            Hopefully Suh isn't the type of guy that will make this get too ugly. I'd seriously be shopping the pick around for a good deal at this point. In im number one I still take Suh but if I can trade down and get a reasonable deal in the process...i take it.
            -01-28-2010, 05:23 PM
          • Nick
            Watercooler: Is Suh the Rams’ best choice at No. 1?
            by Nick
            Is Suh the Rams’ best choice at No. 1?
            By Roger Hensley
            01.05.2010 1:59 pm


            QUESTION: Now that the Rams have secured the No. 1 overall pick in next April’s NFL draft, do you think Nebraska’s Ndamukong Suh is the clear-cut choice, or is there another player you might consider in that spot? Or, with so many needs, do you think it might behoove the Rams to trade down and secure more early-round draft choices?

            JIM THOMAS
            With so many needs, obviously the best scenario would be a trade-down that was too good to refuse. But trades at the No. 1 overall position don’t happen all that often. For now, Suh remains the clear-cut choice.

            BILL COATS
            The Rams might well like to trade down, but the days of gaining a raft of picks for the top spot in the draft appear to be over. Teams covet their picks, plus they know the big dollars a No. 1 overall will cost them. Suh looks like a strong front-runner at this point, although GM Billy Devaney and his personnel folks haven’t even begun to work on their draft board yet.

            JEFF GORDON
            Suh seems to offer a best-case scenario: a still-developing player with huge athletic potential. Many college players max out their ability in college after years of weightlifting. Suh, by contrast, came to Nebraska as a raw talent — and he didn’t really take off until this season, when he finally polished up his technique. Scouts seem to believe he will keep improving. The opportunity to add such a disruptive force at the point of attack is hard to resist. But . . . if the Rams could move down two or three spots and add some more high picks in the process, that is worth considering. Such deals are rare these days, but Suh apparently is a rare commodity.
            -01-06-2010, 07:36 AM
          • ludairv
            IF NOT SUH ....then TAKE...
            by ludairv
            ERIC BERRY!!!!!... man watchin this team is so frustrating!!!!!! i remember the good ol days when they were the GSOT and not only that they had a solid defense!!.... its clear now the LOCKER is returning for his senior season!! and that means NO OTHER QB is worthy of a top 3 pick!
            no way CLaussen gets chosen.... this team needds The NEXT BEST TALENT on the board and that is BERRY ...look how pathetic the Steelers Defense is without Polumalu ( its crazy that one player makes that big of a difference btw)
            .....yes ofcourse i know the rams lack D line talent/depth ...but come on Spagnoulo has an eye for talent in that field.....look a the giants d line when they won that superbowll... ..the moajority of those guys were later round talent!!! .... If OJ goes and we get pick out of it ...hopefully we cant spend those on fillin out key postions.....i now goin from a B- to and A isnt that big of an upgrade but come. on the long will damn well be worth it!!!!!:helmet::helmet::helmet:
            -12-14-2009, 01:19 PM
          • Nick
            Oh, Ndamukong Suh...
            by Nick
            Look, I've gone to great lengths to defend some of Suh's past transgressions, but this is getting beyond ridiculous. Guy has all the talent in the world and a head that's screwed on three rotations too tight or something. I hope he turns it around, but looks like he's still trending downward....
            -10-11-2012, 05:24 PM
          • Rambos
            Ndamukong Suh is a dirty player
            by Rambos
            Watching the Lions and the Pac and Suh just kicked a player when he was down and was ejected from the game on Thanksgiving on a national televised game. Suh is going to need to hirer a PR firm his image is a mess. He just met with the commissioner to discuss how clean up his act.

            He also just gave the Pac a second chance and they scored a TD, this maybe cost them the game...

            He may also be facing a suspension in weeks to come wow.
            -11-24-2011, 11:38 AM