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    Don't count out Holmgren to make a push for No. 1

    Don't count out Holmgren to make a push for No. 1
    Posted on: April 13, 2010 1:51 pm
    NFL Draft Blog by Rob Rang

    As much as it would seem a lock for the Rams to just keep the first pick and fulfill their need for a young quarterback with Sam Bradford, league sources tell me that the Cleveland Browns are internally discussing making a significant offer in an attempt to get the first pick and take Bradford, themselves.

    Trading out of the No. 1 pick is rarely feasible. The financial constraints that come with having the first pick are so much that teams are usually hesitant to even consider the possibility.

    The 2010 draft, however, is unique in several ways.

    The talent in this class means that the Rams could truly rebuild their roster quickly if they were to get an offer of 3-4 high draft selections in exchange for the No. 1 pick.

    Next, you have a team president in Mike Holmgren who is looking to make a splash... and with five picks among this year's first 100 (7, 38, 71, 85 and 92) he has plenty of flexibility.

    Perhaps most importantly, while almost all talent evaluators believe that Bradford is the clear cut top QB and that there is a significant gap between he and the other QBs in this class there is talk that the Rams don't feel this way. They are thought to be quite high on a few of the other quarterbacks of this class, especially Texas' Colt McCoy.

    Mike Holmgren and his hand-picked general manager Tom Heckert, however, are thought to be exceptionally high on Bradford.

    The most realistic scenario remains the Rams staying put and taking Bradford.

    They're remaining at No. 1 is not the mortal lock, I'm told, that having this pick typically is...
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    Re: Don't count out Holmgren to make a push for No. 1

    "while almost all talent evaluators believe that Bradford is the clear cut top QB and that there is a significant gap between he and the other QBs in this class there is talk that the Rams don't feel this way."

    There is? Where?
    "I've been saving the Universe for over a thousand years. I figure it owes me just this once."

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      Re: Don't count out Holmgren to make a push for No. 1

      Sure, you are going to want a fortune for the #1 pick, but seriously, I'll give it to them for their #7 pick, #38, #85 and next year's 1. I doubt that it adds up to 3000 points, but it's possible we could get that for our #1 pick, and not have to pay all that money for it either.
      I believe!:ram:

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      • #4
        Re: Don't count out Holmgren to make a push for No. 1

        Ok, but if we drop to #7 who are we drafting? Not Bradford, or Suh or McCoy...so who is our first round selection? Clausen? I hope not...
        "I've been saving the Universe for over a thousand years. I figure it owes me just this once."

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        • #5
          Re: Don't count out Holmgren to make a push for No. 1

          Originally posted by TekeRam View Post
          Sure, you are going to want a fortune for the #1 pick, but seriously, I'll give it to them for their #7 pick, #38, #85 and next year's 1. I doubt that it adds up to 3000 points, but it's possible we could get that for our #1 pick, and not have to pay all that money for it either.
          Hmm, so instead of Bradford, we get.....

          #7 - Berry/Haden/Morgan/Bryant/Spiller/Clausen
          #38 - McCoy/Matthews/Dunlap/Washington/Alualu/Best

          plus our own 2nd, #85, and next year a pair of 1's. If they're not sold on Bradford as the ONLY option, then this is a nice plan B.
          The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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            Re: Don't count out Holmgren to make a push for No. 1

            Originally posted by BrokenWing View Post
            Ok, but if we drop to #7 who are we drafting? Not Bradford, or Suh or McCoy...so who is our first round selection? Clausen? I hope not...
            No, we trade out of getting one of the top three, but we gain a lot of flexibility. We could trade down again for Clausen buyer. We could go for one of, if not our top rated DE, arguably a bigger need than DT. We could pick up Dez Bryant. We gain a lot of possible moves.
            I believe!:ram:

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            • #7
              Re: Don't count out Holmgren to make a push for No. 1

              Either we have a deal in place to move #7, or they can have the #1 for their entire draft minus the #7. And their best DT.

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                Re: Don't count out Holmgren to make a push for No. 1

                no way they do this deal...they have enough holes as it is...that would set back that franchise even more...+ dropping that far back eliminates are best options at players to fill our biggest needs...

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                • #9
                  Re: Don't count out Holmgren to make a push for No. 1

                  I was hoping in my dreams for a deal that would include a promising young player or key solid vet to help compensate for the weak FA market this year as well as picks for the future. The Browns roster isn't exactly loaded with either type of player that they'd be likely to part with,imo. Still, it's an interesting idea.

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                    Re: Don't count out Holmgren to make a push for No. 1

                    Originally posted by BrokenWing View Post
                    "while almost all talent evaluators believe that Bradford is the clear cut top QB and that there is a significant gap between he and the other QBs in this class there is talk that the Rams don't feel this way."

                    There is? Where?

                    Oh no, have the voices in my head been spreading rumors again?

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                    • #11
                      Re: Don't count out Holmgren to make a push for No. 1

                      whoops sorry guys, i let this rumor slip....good thing i don't know squat about what the rams are thinking

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                      • #12
                        Re: Don't count out Holmgren to make a push for No. 1

                        Azul, while I would like some proven players too, with this year's draft being the deepest in years thanks to a number of seniors coming back last year and juniors coming out this year, I'll be happy to take picks this year.
                        I believe!:ram:

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                        • #13
                          Re: Don't count out Holmgren to make a push for No. 1

                          If there is even a modicum of truth concerning this report about Holmgren's interest in Bradford then it is obvious what we should do, NOTHING!!

                          Guys, there isn't a better evaluator of quarterbacks in the entire NFL than Mike Holmgren. Everywhere he's been he has either helped to develop Qbs (Montana) or he's traded for and then developed them (Favre and Hasselcrack).

                          If he is even the slightest bit interested in doing a deal like this it means that Mr. Sam Bradford has passed muster and Holmie's scrutiny and this is all that I need to know.

                          I say stay put and take the Okie. Afterall in this instance( and for one of the only times) Oklahoma is OK.

                          WHAT SAY YE?

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                          • AvengerRam_old
                            A common statement I've read about Bradford that makes no sense to me.
                            by AvengerRam_old
                            I've lost track of how many times I've read comments from commentators and fans that have expressed the idea that Bradford is worth the 4th or 5th pick in the draft, but not the 1st.

                            Huh?

                            How does that make sense?

                            From the Rams perspective, if they want to take Bradford, obviously it would be advantageous to trade down, get more picks, and still get him.

                            But what if that option simply is not available? I find it hard to hard to comprehend how anyone can say his combination of size/skill/college production/medical reports/interviews make him good enough to merit the 4th pick, but not the 1st.

                            When I say this, I'm not talking about his value in comparison to other prospects. I have no beef with someone simply saying "he's worth the 4th pick because he's the 4th best player in the draft." That's not the analysis I'm talking about. I'm talking about those who say "he'd be a reach at No. 1" and then turn around and say "he's a good selection at No. 4."

                            Again... huh?

                            A QB selected with the 4th pick in the draft is expected to become the starter no later than his second or third season, and to become a successful starting QB for a decade. If you think QB prospect is good enough to do that, how is he not good enough to warrant the first pick. Isn't a 10 year successful starting QB worth the first pick in the draft?

                            To me, when the Rams look at Bradford, the quesiton should be is he (1) someone they envision as being a "franchise" QB, or (2) not.

                            If the answer is (1), he's worth the first pick (that's not to say he'd necessarily be the best BPA, but he would be a worthy first pick). If the answer is (2), he shouldn't be taken with the first, the third, the fifth or the eleventh pick.
                            -02-25-2010, 05:58 PM
                          • AvengerRam_old
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                            -03-31-2010, 08:15 AM
                          • viper
                            Scott Wright: Rams pick QB Sam Bradford #1
                            by viper
                            I came across Scott Wright's mock draft dated 12/17/09. He has the Rams picking Sam Bradford, QB from Oklahoma as the no. 1 pick in the draft. He also has Terrance Cody, DT, Alabama going no. 21 to the Miami Dolphins.

                            Is this old news? Has he updated his mock since then? I'm quite suprised by those two picks in particular. I found it here: draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php

                            What do you guys think about us taking Bradford with the 1st pick?

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                            1 ST. LOUIS RAMS: SAM BRADFORD, QB, OKLAHOMA

                            Washington’s Jake Locker would have been the slam-dunk pick for St. Louis but he is going back for his senior year, which complicates things for the Rams. Do they just move to the next best quarterback and take either Sam Bradford from Oklahoma or Jimmy Clausen from Notre Dame or do they try to address their defense with Nebraska’s Ndamukong Suh? Steve Spagnuolo is a defensive-minded coach who loves to put pressure on the quarterback and right now the Rams don’t have any difference-makers up front so Suh would make a lot of sense. However, everything revolves around the quarterback position and the Rams just can’t afford to pass on a potential franchise signal caller. The Bradford / Clausen debate will likely go down to the wire but in the end I think Bradford gets the nod due to his superior intangibles. Bradford might have been the #1 overall pick in the 2009 NFL Draft but he opted to spend another year in college. Unfortunately that didn’t work out as planned and he wound up missing most of the season with an injury to his throwing shoulder, which required surgery. Despite the questions about his health / durability and concerns about the spread system he played in with the Sooners it looks as though Bradford is still in line to be a Top 10 pick as long as there are no red flags in the medical checkups. Even though Bradford doesn’t have a cannon for an arm he possesses good size, is an extraordinarily accurate passer with a quick release and also extremely smart. Much like Atlanta fans who were clamoring for Glenn Dorsey over Matt Ryan there will surely be those who want the Rams to go with Suh. St. Louis will entertain that thought but at the end of the day they have to pull the trigger on a quarterback.

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                          • AvengerRam_old
                            Sam Bradford is the true "Wild Card" for the Rams first choice.
                            by AvengerRam_old
                            Last year at about this time, I suggested that, by the time the draft rolled around, Mark Sanchez could be on the Rams short list of players to select with the second pick in the draft. Many scoffed and, truth be told, even I was a bit uncertain with my prognostication. Of course, in the end, Sanchez rose from late first round prospect and became a top 5 pick on the strength of his workouts and interviews.

                            I can see a similar scenario occurring with Sam Bradford.

                            Last year, before Bradford decided to return to Oklahoma, many had him rated as a potential first pick in the draft. Then, as fate would have it, his season was scuttled by a shoulder injury.

                            Now, he is still considered a top 10 pick by most, but there are question marks.

                            So here are the "what ifs."

                            What if the doctors say he is fine and that there should be no long term impact from his shoulder injury?

                            What if he impresses at the Combine and/or his individual workouts?

                            What if he presents as a confident leader in his interviews?

                            If these things happen, the Rams very well could decide that the time is now to take a chance at drafting a potential franchise QB.

                            If that occurs, there will still be decisions to make. The Rams could, of course, simply select Bradford first. Alternatively, they could smokescreen a desire to take Ndamukong Suh and try to trade down. The logical trade partner would be Tampa, who likely would covet Suh, and would not take QB with the first choice (having spent a first round pick last year on a QB). Such a plan would not be foolproof, though. If, as some have speculated, the Redskins want Bradford, they could trade up with Detroit and take him at #2, thereby leaving the Rams to take who? (G.McCoy? Clausen?).

                            I'll leave the trade issue out of the analysis for now and simply say this.

                            Right now, I see Suh as being a prospect who is extremely likely (say 75%) to be an impact player at a very important position.

                            Right now, I see Bradford as being a prospect who has a decent chance (say 40-50%) to be an impact player at the MOST important position.

                            With those odds, I go with Suh (absent a great trade offer).

                            But if Bradford's stock rises, and I start to see him as having a better than 50% chance of being a franchise QB... then the choice becomes very difficult.

                            Bottom line: we're in the first lap of a multi-lap race. Its way too early to call the winner.
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                          • r8rh8rmike
                            Rams Could Release Sam Bradford With No Financial Constraints
                            by r8rh8rmike
                            Rams could release Sam Bradford with no financial constraints

                            Jason La Canfora
                            CBS Sports NFL Insider
                            December 15, 2013 10:16 am ET

                            The Rams could be facing a crucial dilemma this offseason with Sam Bradford, the first-overall pick in 2010, coming off another injury and the team now possibly ending up with two top 10 picks. That's including what may be the first-overall via the RGII trade they made with Washington in 2012 (St. Louis has the Redskins' top pick).

                            Several NFL execs, when assessing that situation, believe it could lead to Bradford's departure, while team sources have indicated the organization remains very comfortable with Bradford and while “all options would be on the table” if St. Louis has the top pick, the likelihood of drafting a quarterback is more remote than most other scenarios. The dream scenario for the Rams would be other teams coveting that pick -- as the Skins did with St. Louis' second-overall selection in 2012 -- and then offering a bounty to trade down and pick up a bunch of selections, able to fill multiple holes.

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