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    ms in no rush on contract

    BY JIM THOMAS
    ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
    04/19/2010

    No contract for No. 1? It has given sports talk radio something to talk about and provided fodder for the cable television and Internet "experts."

    But one of the biggest non-stories surrounding the No. 1 overall pick in this year's draft has been contract negotiations — or lack thereof. It's really not an issue for the Rams whether the No. 1 pick is signed before the draft.

    Kevin Demoff, the Rams' executive vice president of football operations, said it at the NFL owners meetings last month. And he said it again Sunday:

    "I don't think it's important to have the first pick signed before the draft," Demoff told the Post-Dispatch on Sunday. "That doesn't mean it's not worth trying. And it doesn't mean we haven't talked to people — all four candidates — about the numbers they would want as the first pick. But it's not a priority for us to have the deal done before the draft.

    "There's still three months essentially before the start of training camp to get a person under contract. We want to make sure we spend our time, and make the right deal for the Rams and a fair deal for the player."

    When Demoff made reference to the "four candidates," he was talking about the players identified by general manager Billy Devaney at the NFL scouting combine as "finalists" for the No. 1 overall pick. Namely, quarterback Sam Bradford of Oklahoma, quarterback Jimmy Clausen of Notre Dame, defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh of Nebraska and defensive tackle Gerald McCoy of Oklahoma.

    "There's a misconception out there that we're just twiddling our thumbs, waiting for the pick (on Thursday)," Demoff said. "But we've done our homework. We talked to these guys at the combine. We've talked to them all again since the combine.

    "So I have a sense of where all the numbers would come in and what everybody's asking for. So it's not as if we haven't given this any thought. We're doing the proper due diligence before the draft. We'll know when we take someone kind of what their (contract) expectations are."

    Interestingly, Demoff revealed Sunday that the Rams also have had very preliminary discussions with the agents for Oklahoma State offensive tackle Russell Okung and Tennessee safety Eric Berry about the potential of talking contract as the No. 1 overall pick. Likely? Certainly not.

    "Just in case," Demoff said. "We've covered our bases."

    There are several reasons the Rams haven't seemed to be in a hurry to get a contract done:

    — In his short tenure with the Rams, Devaney has shown himself to be thoughtful and deliberate about making the Rams' first-round pick. Why rush the process?

    — If Devaney truly is entertaining trade-down possibilities with the No. 1 pick, as seems to be the case, it doesn't make sense to have a deal done before the draft.

    — From an economic standpoint, it makes no difference who's the next owner of the Rams — Stan Kroenke or Shahid Khan. (Or even if Chip Rosenbloom and Lucia Rodriguez are owners for a while longer.) The money's already budgeted.

    Even so, if the new owners were in place they might want input on the intricacies of the deal. So there was a time when it made sense to wait on the ownership situation to sort itself out. But that course of action may no longer be practical since Kroenke exercised matching rights on Khan's purchase bid, a move that could delay the sale process several months.

    — It's extremely doubtful a new collective bargaining agreement will be reached anytime soon. But what if there were progress in the next month or two? Any information on the shape and scope of a new agreement might affect how a deal is done.

    "This player, whoever we take, is going to be the highest paid player in Rams history," Demoff said. "Wouldn't you want to know the most you could about the future economics of the CBA before you sign that deal? It would be good for both sides."

    But again, Demoff stressed that the organization isn't sitting around waiting for a new bargaining agreement, a new owner, or a new anything.

    "If we got a deal we couldn't refuse before the draft, sure we'd do it," Demoff said.

    When all is said and done, Bradford remains the heavy favorite to be the No. 1 overall selection. Following his private workout Friday for the Rams in Norman, Okla., Bradford told the Post-Dispatch that having a contract before the draft was a non-issue for him.

    "To be honest, I'm not worried about that at all," he said.

    Demoff said: "I had lunch with Bradford's (agents) last week, we kicked around ideas for the first pick. They've never explicitly said that they don't want to do a deal before the draft. ... But they haven't shown any urgency, just like we haven't shown any urgency, to get it done before the draft."

    As an executive with Tampa Bay, and even in his short time with the Rams, Demoff has enjoyed a good working relationships with agents Tom Condon and Ben Dogra of CAA. And neither agent has a history of holdouts with high draft picks.

    "I'm optimistic based on our good relationships (with CAA) and their prior (track record) with getting guys in on time that this year's pick will be in training camp on time," Demoff said. "There is no reason to believe that won't be the case."

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    Memo to every Ram front office type (since none of you were around back then). Our last #1 overall, Orlando Pace, missed his entire rookie training camp due to a contract holdout. Fortunately he's an OT and wasn't too damaged by the time away. Unfortunately Sam Bradford isn't. Whatever numbers you have gotten now will become pure fiction post draft unless you sign a contract.

    PS: Team Consultant John Shaw's on the CBA negotiating team. I'm sure if you ask nicely he will fill you in on intel about the current proceedings.

    PPS: When in doubt, prepare for the worst. Things, as a rule, haven't broken this organization's way since the middle of the decade.

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      The fact that we're not hearing much about the Rams trying to sign Sam or Suh may indicate that the team is concentrating their efforts to trade out of the top pick. Pre-draft negotiations favor the team vis-a-vis contract negotiations; a lack of negotiations favors the team vis-a-vis other teams.

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        Why give the girl an engagement ring if you're still playing the field?

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          Peoria I hope you remembered our bet....I want mah money.....

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            Originally posted by PeoriaRam View Post
            Memo to every Ram front office type (since none of you were around back then). Our last #1 overall, Orlando Pace, missed his entire rookie training camp due to a contract holdout. Fortunately he's an OT and wasn't too damaged by the time away. Unfortunately Sam Bradford isn't. Whatever numbers you have gotten now will become pure fiction post draft unless you sign a contract.

            PS: Team Consultant John Shaw's on the CBA negotiating team. I'm sure if you ask nicely he will fill you in on intel about the current proceedings.

            PPS: When in doubt, prepare for the worst. Things, as a rule, haven't broken this organization's way since the middle of the decade.

            I'm sure they understand that a rookie QB benefits the most from being in camp on time. I'm sure they also understand that they have nearly three months before the start of said camp to negotiate a contract with whomever we end up with. Now is not the time to panic.

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              Originally posted by shower beers View Post
              I'm sure they understand that a rookie QB benefits the most from being in camp on time. I'm sure they also understand that they have nearly three months before the start of said camp to negotiate a contract with whomever we end up with. Now is not the time to panic.
              But he doesn't. We're more likely to play him if he gets a full training camp. That does not benefit him in terms of staying healthy and upright.

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                Originally posted by PeoriaRam View Post
                But he doesn't. We're more likely to play him if he gets a full training camp. That does not benefit him in terms of staying healthy and upright.
                So your argument is to not get him into training camp on time because it increases his chances of playing in the regular season, leading to a risk in injury??

                With that logic, why draft anyone at all? They're just going to risk getting hurt by playing this contact sport.

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                  I have no problem with Bradford not being signed before the draft but it would be nice.

                  I'm curious...if Devaney is already set on trading out of the #1 spot with Cleveland, does he have to wait until draft day to do that or can we trade out of the pick whenever we want?
                  Always and Forever a fan of the St. Louis Rams

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                    Originally posted by Varg6 View Post
                    I have no problem with Bradford not being signed before the draft but it would be nice.

                    I'm curious...if Devaney is already set on trading out of the #1 spot with Cleveland, does he have to wait until draft day to do that or can we trade out of the pick whenever we want?
                    I believe it's just like any other trade in that you can trade the rights to it at any time, much like the other picks that have been traded so far.

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                      Originally posted by shower beers View Post
                      So your argument is to not get him into training camp on time because it increases his chances of playing in the regular season, leading to a risk in injury??

                      With that logic, why draft anyone at all? They're just going to risk getting hurt by playing this contact sport.
                      This is a team that got 4 QBs knocked out of games due to injury last season and hasn't upgraded the protection since. That nice, safe bench looks mighty good until that protection gets upgraded.

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                        Originally posted by PeoriaRam View Post
                        Memo to every Ram front office type (since none of you were around back then). Our last #1 overall, Orlando Pace, missed his entire rookie training camp due to a contract holdout.
                        Hey now, I was around back then, just not on this message board. Pace also struggled with discipline, and I think his play really suffered that first year because of the missed training camp. I remember when we drafted Barron he said his #1 piece of advice was to get in camp your rookie year, and that he wished he had realized that before holding out. That of course has no bearing on this year. I just wanted to point out you weren't the only one watching back then

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                          If the Ram's thought they could sign the number one player on their board prior to Draft Day, of course they would do it. The NFL does not really like having their Draft coverage de-valued by pre-draft signings, but any team that says they are not interested in signing their #1 ASAP is lying.
                          A defeated look of consternation, dissappointment, or even pain. The name derives from the look one often gets when challenged by a large BM.

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                            I think it's going to be interesting to see how long it takes not just for the Rams to sign their first round pick but I wouldn't be surprised if every NFL team takes their time signing their rookies this year.

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                              Originally posted by MauiRam View Post

                              "This player, whoever we take, is going to be the highest paid player in Rams history," Demoff said.

                              Hmm. Highest paid player. Might be just me, but this portrays our likeliness to draft Bradford. A QB as the highest paid player in franchise history sounds logical. Defensive tackle on the other hand, doesn't.

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                              • MauiRam
                                Demoff: No reason to be nervous about Bradford negotiations
                                by MauiRam
                                Updated: July 20, 2010 at 09:07 p.m.
                                By NFL.com

                                The St. Louis Rams just opened contract negotiations with Sam Bradford's agent last week, but team official Kevin Demoff said Tuesday that fans shouldn't be concerned about the ability to sign the No. 1 overall draft pick.

                                "I don't think there's any reason to be nervous," Demoff, the Rams' chief operating officer, told WXOS-FM in St. Louis. "These deals are complex. They take twists and turns up until the end, but it's a deadline league."

                                Demoff stated that he would like Bradford to report by the start of training camp July 28. However, a team source told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch on Friday that a deal with the rookie quarterback isn't expected to come soon.

                                Some have speculated that Bradford could receive up to $50 million in guaranteed money -- a significant bump from the $41.7 million that last year's No. 1 overall pick, quarterback Matthew Stafford, was given by the Detroit Lions.

                                Demoff, who's handling negotiations with agent Tom Condon, tried to put the task ahead in perspective.

                                "Nobody is being absurd," Demoff said. "Everything is within reason. But there are some points to iron out and some feelings we both have on the way this wants to go. Those aren't necessarily public discussions. The goal is to come to an end product that makes sense for both sides, and I think we'll do that.

                                "I think there have been so many quarterbacks that have been drafted No. 1 overall, that this is not a unique situation by any stretch of the imagination," Demoff added. "... You try to piece together what you like and some of the changes you'd like to make maybe in the language or different spots. But this isn't Mideast peace or putting a cap on an oil well. This is essentially trying to figure out the right number and trying to create a contract that lives for a long time. A lot changes in that time period, and you want a deal that both sides don't wake up after a couple years and say, for better or worse, 'We don't like this.'"
                                -07-21-2010, 09:06 AM
                              • shower beers
                                Rams begin contract negotiations with Bradford
                                by shower beers
                                The Rams have begun preliminary contract negotiations with the player rep for Oklahoma QB Sam Bradford, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.
                                Source: St. Louis Post-Dispatch



                                They've even touched base with QB Jimmy Clausen. "We're really just comparing notes," said executive VP of football operations Kevin Demoff, who added that he will begin "trading" numbers with agents in early April. If the ownership uncertainty doesn't preclude the Rams from selecting Bradford, they're still unlikely to get into hard numbers until after his March 29 pro day and April 12 team visit.


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                                Although this means nothing about who we're taking with our no. 1 pick, it IS nice to see that we're doing our due diligence early on. Hopefully we'll see similar headlines with Suh and McCoy.
                                -03-25-2010, 07:00 AM
                              • turbofargo
                                When will Bradford's contract be done
                                by turbofargo
                                Will it be done before the ownership issue is complete or will it be contingent on the completion of the new deal. When do talks usually heat up?
                                -05-14-2010, 02:41 PM
                              • MauiRam
                                Rookies finding their path to payday is blocked ..
                                by MauiRam
                                Rookies finding their path to payday is blocked ...
                                by Alex Marvez
                                (Alex Marvez is a Senior NFL Writer for FOXSports.com. He's covered the NFL for 13 seasons as a beat writer and is the president of the Pro Football Writers of America.)

                                Updated: May 22, 2008, 11:09 AM EST 13 comments add this RSS blog email print FOXSports.com's Alex Marvez was among a select media group invited to a four-hour NFL Players Association seminar Wednesday focused on the Collective Bargaining Agreement. In the first of a three-part series, Marvez addresses how the NFL's opting out of its current labor deal is making an immediate impact on some of the top unsigned picks in April's draft:

                                ATLANTA — Negotiating a new labor deal or finding a successor for Gene Upshaw aren't the most pressing priorities for the NFL Players Association.

                                Of utmost importance: Formulating contract mechanisms that may prevent holdouts from two of the top unsigned 2008 draft choices.

                                The NFL's decision to opt out of the current Collective Bargaining Agreement in 2011 has made an immediate impact on St. Louis defensive end Chris Long (No. 2 overall pick) and Oakland running back Darren McFadden (No. 4). Unless the NFLPA can unearth CBA loopholes, both will have to settle for shorter contracts with less guaranteed money than earned by players chosen in those same slots in 2007.

                                That could lead to more complicated negotiations and increases the possibility deals won't be done by the start of training camp in late July.

                                "It's going to be hard for those guys to get contracts even at the money they got a year ago," said Upshaw, the NFLPA's executive director. "The guys who were in that same slot a year ago are actually going to get more money in guarantees than what McFadden and Chris Long will get."

                                Detroit wide receiver Calvin Johnson and Tampa Bay defensive end Gaines Adams were the second and fourth overall picks in last year's draft. Both signed six-year contracts. Johnson's was worth $64 million with $27.2 million guaranteed; Adams received $18.6 million guaranteed as part of a $46 million package.

                                At the time, the Bucs and Lions could push a significant portion of guaranteed money into the sixth year of those contracts. But teams no longer have that luxury with NFL owners having voided the final two years of the CBA during Tuesday's annual spring meeting in Atlanta.

                                Negotiations also could become sticky because of a potential work stoppage in 2011. Should that happen, teams would not be responsible for paying players. Upshaw said even some head coaches may not get paid or have agreed to deals that would halve their salaries.

                                This threat pushed the representatives for top overall pick Jake Long to demand that Miami pay all of the tackle's guaranteed money ($30 million) by 2010. Other agents may demand the same...
                                -05-22-2008, 11:51 AM
                              • MauiRam
                                Rams are in no hurry to sign draft choices
                                by MauiRam
                                • By Jim Thomas

                                Just six weeks after the NFL draft, 192 of the 254 players selected have signed their contracts. Seven teams already have signed all of their draft picks, including Rams NFC West rival Seattle.

                                Eight other teams have signed all but one of their draft picks. And 31 of the 32 NFL teams have signed at least two picks.

                                The exception? The St. Louis Rams.

                                Seven of the remaining 62 unsigned picks in the NFL are Rams draft picks — their entire draft class of 2013. At face value, this seems curious because in the aftermath of the new collective bargaining agreement, all of the contracts are slotted by draft round and position in that round. With first-round draft picks getting much less money under the current CBA, almost all of the drama is gone in signing draft picks.

                                Holdouts are nearly a thing of the past.

                                With rare exception very little negotiating takes place.

                                “It’s a little bit like you have the answers to the test when they hand it to you,” said Kevin Demoff, Rams executive vice president of football operations. “It takes a lot of the guesswork out of it.”

                                What then, is the holdup in terms of Rams picks?

                                The Rams have preferred to wait a while before getting the deals done. It’s another quirk in how coach Jeff Fisher runs his program.

                                “We just feel like they’ll be better suited if we can take them through step A and B of Financial Planning 101 before we give ‘em the money,” Fisher said. “It’s just that simple. We’ll get them all signed and we’re communicating with them.”

                                He then added, with a touch of sarcasm: “They’ve got a roof over their head and three meals, and they’re doing fine right now.”

                                It’s been pretty well documented how many pro athletes squander their money by the time their careers have ended. Fisher figures the players, and the team, will benefit if he and the rest of the Rams’ organization can set expectations for the rookies on and off the field before showing them the money.

                                “Exactly,” Fisher said. “It’s a life-changing event for them. We try to better prepare them for that.”

                                Demoff continued: “A big focus of our entire program, with an emphasis from Coach Fisher and (general manager) Les (Snead) is on player development and skill development. We get La’Roi Glover involved, and really taking a holistic approach to the maturation process of the rookies and the vets.”

                                Glover, the former Rams defensive tackle, is the team’s director of player programs.

                                “One of the things that we think is important with that is bringing the rookies in as a group, having them live together as a group, and not having any real differentiation between the first-round pick and the undrafted rookie,” Demoff said.

                                “They’re in the hotel together. They’re eating meals together. They’re doing...
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