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  • I still want Suh over Bradford

    I know ill get bashed for this but i really think Suh would be the better choice as the no.1 pick. Now that Carriker is gone, we can forget about that 'we've made 2 high defensive picks in the last 3 years,we have to draft Bradford ahhhhhh' thing. We only have Long now.

    Lets think about our defensive line

    Long Ryan Robbins Little? Hall

    That line aint gonna do very well now is it. Especially if Little doesnt come back. Now if we draft Suh it will look like this

    Long Ryan/Robbins Suh Little?Hall

    Already looks more solid. Now what if we trade for Osi

    Osi Ryan/Robbins Suh Long

    That line looks like it could cause trouble.

    If we draft Bradford, sure the offense would improve slightly, or it could be just a dire. I understand the logic of picking Bradford, give us hope, a new face for the franchise etc. but Jackson is the face of our franchise. Maybe McCoy will be a wonderful hit (if we draft him)

    This is just how i feel, and i can say honestly if we pick Bradford tomorrow i will not be happy! But i will support the lad, and hope he brings the business. I just want us to shun the media and experts by taking Suh and continue to build a good , talented, young base which will put in a good position for years to come

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    Re: I still want Suh over Bradford

    if you think Devaney is listening to the media and that Mel kioper is influencing our picks i have no more to say to you. Just because we take a QB doesn't mean we're biting our fingernails and hitting the panic switch to not take Suh......

    It could possibly be that Bradford is much more of a need than Suh.....

    How is picking Bradford not building a good young solid foundation for years to come? I thought QBs tend to make by far greater impacts and last longer than DTs anyway...

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    • #3
      Re: I still want Suh over Bradford

      Originally posted by Bing69 View Post
      I know ill get bashed for this but i really think Suh would be the better choice as the no.1 pick. Now that Carriker is gone, we can forget about that 'we've made 2 high defensive picks in the last 3 years,we have to draft Bradford ahhhhhh' thing. We only have Long now.

      Lets think about our defensive line

      Long Ryan Robbins Little? Hall

      That line aint gonna do very well now is it. Especially if Little doesnt come back. Now if we draft Suh it will look like this

      Long Ryan/Robbins Suh Little?Hall

      Already looks more solid. Now what if we trade for Osi

      Osi Ryan/Robbins Suh Long

      That line looks like it could cause trouble.

      If we draft Bradford, sure the offense would improve slightly, or it could be just a dire. I understand the logic of picking Bradford, give us hope, a new face for the franchise etc. but Jackson is the face of our franchise. Maybe McCoy will be a wonderful hit (if we draft him)

      This is just how i feel, and i can say honestly if we pick Bradford tomorrow i will not be happy! But i will support the lad, and hope he brings the business. I just want us to shun the media and experts by taking Suh and continue to build a good , talented, young base which will put in a good position for years to come
      we may not get Suh, but that doesn't mean we won't get a solid DT somewhere else in the draft.

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      • #4
        Re: I still want Suh over Bradford

        I never said picking Bradford wasnt building a good young solid foundation. Theres two ways of doing things, and i prefer this way. You can draft your QB then build around him, or build a solid team then get your QB.

        Obviously the draft will give us more weapons, but we lack a no.1 receiver, a TE and a RT (if Smith moves to LT). Sure our line can protect him, until they get injured, then he'll take more hits. Our receivers are hardly a strong bunch, Avery and Robinson will probably be injured at some point this season. Fells is our only receiving TE.

        Ryan stepped into a solid team, had White n Turner. Flacco had a great defense and wasnt asked to really 'win' games for them, just not lose them. Sanchez had a great defense, no1 running game.

        Cassels went to Chiefs, who are rebuilding, done nothing.

        The Lions at least had Megatron for Stafford to throw to.

        I just cant get excited by drafting a QB. I would be much more excited if we draft Suh

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        • #5
          Re: I still want Suh over Bradford

          we may not get Suh, but that doesn't mean we won't get a solid DT somewhere else in the draft.

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          Why settle for a solid DT when you can have a potential Pro Bowl calibre DT?

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          • #6
            Re: I still want Suh over Bradford

            I am still convinced that we WILL take Suh. I guess I am delusional, but there are just too many question marks surrounding Bradford.

            When asked if Bradford's shoulder was ready to take a hit from a 300lb lineman, Bradford's own surgeon said, "I told Sam [Bradford] to get a good offensive line."

            We do not have the O-line to protect Bradford, so I believe we will pick Suh. GoSuh!
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            • #7
              Re: I still want Suh over Bradford

              I know ill get bashed for this but i really think Suh would be the better choice as the no.1 pick.
              Maybe, but not by me. I agree with you. I think Suh will be the better pro. Three years from now, 6 years from now, a decade from now.......NFL fans will look back and say, "Suh is a better player than Bradford."

              But I am convinced Bradford will be the Rams pick.


              Of course, I liked Aaron Curry at #2 last year...........so what do I know?
              The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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              • #8
                Re: I still want Suh over Bradford

                But I am convinced Bradford will be the Rams pick

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                Im not, its not like Devaney or Spags have actually said 'yeah, we want Bradford'

                I see it as 50-50 still. Although the media will have you believe its a cert to be Bradford.

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                • #9
                  Re: I still want Suh over Bradford

                  Im not, its not like Devaney or Spags have actually said 'yeah, we want Bradford'
                  But it's not like they CAN say that though......know what I mean?

                  Brother, I'm still holding out hope for Suh and then McCoy at #33. I'm just not betting on it.
                  The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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                  • #10
                    Re: I still want Suh over Bradford

                    I can undertsnad that you want Suh, he is without a doubt the best player in the draft. With the release of Bulger we would be taking a risk bye hoping McCoy is in the second round, and I would rather not trade back into the first. Alot of people still want Suh, including me, I just think Bradford will make a bigger impact on the team.

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                    • #11
                      Re: I still want Suh over Bradford

                      But it's not like they CAN say that though......know what I mean?
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                      Why not? We're picking first, its not like he wont be there!lol.

                      We could say we want Suh, or McCoy, or Bradford. Unless they want to play a game we can pretty much say who want and who we're going to pick. At the end of the day i cant see a trade good enough to get rid of the 1st pick

                      I know man, it would be a much better draft with Suh n McCoy than Bradford n someone....

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                      • #12
                        Re: I still want Suh over Bradford

                        Just another vote for Suh. I think he is the best player in the draft. So take the best guy #1. Great players also are found in every round some go undrafted. Look for that next great later rd QB(Brady) Maybe it's Lafevor.

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                        • #13
                          Re: I still want Suh over Bradford

                          Draft suh!!!!

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                          • #14
                            Re: I still want Suh over Bradford

                            I'd bet my house its easier to find and mold a great DT in later rounds than a great QB. Aaron Curry was the best guy last year. Should we have taken him?

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                            • #15
                              Re: I still want Suh over Bradford

                              Originally posted by Bralidore(RAMMODE) View Post
                              if you think Devaney is listening to the media and that Mel kioper is influencing our picks i have no more to say to you. Just because we take a QB doesn't mean we're biting our fingernails and hitting the panic switch to not take Suh......

                              It could possibly be that Bradford is much more of a need than Suh.....

                              How is picking Bradford not building a good young solid foundation for years to come? I thought QBs tend to make by far greater impacts and last longer than DTs anyway...

                              except that Bradford isnt the next comming of a perrenial all pro qb.

                              Suh is much of of a 'sure' bet as can be.

                              Look at last years draft-- people got all hyped about taking J Smith at OT, and who performed better than Smith? More likely than not the guy Baltimore who was taken a lot later.

                              Look at this years draft-- tons good OTs, and Id say better than J Smith.

                              Next years draft we will have another Bradford clone; but next years draft will not have another Suh clone.

                              ESPN has a sports science show (cant rem name) that tests draftees in real football situations- specific for their position.

                              They use baselines set by current NFL All Pro players, and when Suh was tested (not simulations--- but real pads on, physical work)-- he outperformed current NFL All Pros.

                              If we take Bradford, we will regret not taking Suh. We can get a Qb next year.

                              If we really wanted to boost this team and get someone who can mentor an up and comming QB we should have went fo McNabb. WTH this fruitcake regime (really no better than the last IMO) is so ready to deal with former teams to get blaise players liek Gibson, Amendola, Baskin and Robbins, etc.... but not get a very good Qb that has maybe 3yrs left-- is beyond me.

                              And then to top it off, go draft a QB that is interchangable with any other OK QB that has played under Stoops to pass on what universally is regarded the best DT ever in generations truly shows the ineptitude of Spags in his HC job.

                              Too many Rams here are bandwagon types, and jump on with the crowd. It wasnt so long ago we ALL agreed that SUH is the pick. Why lots here have gotten influenced by lord knwos what is beyond me. Stick to your 1st instinct-- it's right most of the time.
                              Last edited by punahou; -04-21-2010, 11:40 AM. Reason: frustrated

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                              • HUbison
                                My final take on Bradford vs. Suh.
                                by HUbison
                                These thoughts will not change over the next month.......assuming neither of them molests a goat or some such thing. Here's a few things that I think will happen over the next decade (barring injury or end-of-the-world type stuff):

                                Bradford will be a very good QB.

                                Suh will be an elite DT.

                                With Suh, the Rams defense will show serious improvement, including better ypa in the rush D, and more pressure on the QB. The offense won't change all that much.

                                With Bradford, the Rams offense will show some improvement, but will require improvements to the receiving corp to make any large steps forward. The defense won't change much at all.




                                I understand the QB choice. I do, I get it. And Bradford will be a really solid QB. He'll show it on his pro day; he'll make crisp accurate passes, he'll dazzle in interviews, he will demonstrate to franchises that he is an intelligent, articulate young man with all the intangibles you'd ever want.

                                But he won't be the player that Suh will be.

                                Bradford will walk into Rams Park, and on the practice field, he will make everyone believe that scientists cloned Phillip Rivers and Kurt Warner, combined the DNA, and out popped Sammy.

                                But he won't raise the offense the way that Suh will raise the defense.

                                With Bradford, his success will rely on other pieces. Will the receivers be able to separate so that his amazing accuracy can be demonstrated? Will the line protect him the way that his Oklahoma line (manned by 5 NFL lineman in 2008) protected him?

                                With Suh, his success will not be as dependent on those around him. Rather the opposite. The DEs will see more lanes as Suh occupies the interior. Same for blitzers. The DBs will look better as pockets collapse and QBs have to rush passes.

                                Bradford will be good.......but every draft has a "Bradford".
                                Suh will be great........and there may be one "Suh" a decade. (Not my words, by the way.)

                                So do we draft a Bradford, then wait a decade for the next Suh?
                                Or do we draft Suh, and pick up next year's Bradford?



                                Look, I'm not saying Bradford isn't worth the #1 pick......if Suh weren't in it. Take Suh out of the draft, and Bradford is the #1 pick (though McCoy fans would have their valid points as well). So, no, I'm not going to complain about drafting Bradford at #1. In any ordinary year, he is a #1 pick.

                                I'm just saying that with Suh available, this isn't an "ordinary" year.

                                I'm sure Bradford will do fine. But I would be lying if I said his long-term health isn't a concern. The Rams have protected their QB with a sack % of 7.5% to 8.0% over the past few years. But he's coming from an offense that protected him with a sack % of 2.7%. And even then (as Nick has pointed out),...
                                -03-12-2010, 10:33 AM
                              • sosa39rams
                                Ndamukong Suh
                                by sosa39rams
                                Just imagine a rotational d-line with: Chris Long, Leonard Little, Adam Carriker, Cliff Ryan, Fred Robbins, and Ndamukong Suh.

                                That would just continue to stop the run+ put pressure on a QB. That would be amazing!

                                But imagine Sam Bradford, working with our offense and some possible added weapons.

                                Which do you prefer?
                                -03-07-2010, 07:37 PM
                              • jerseyramsfan
                                Bradford of Suh ?
                                by jerseyramsfan
                                After last season I wanted the Rams to finish near the bottom to have a shot at Sam Bradford. Well now a year later my wish for a franchise QB is a reality. But all I've been hearing about is how Suh is the best DT to come out in decades. Man now I'm really torn. Lets get some discussion going between the two players...
                                -01-03-2010, 02:17 PM
                              • CanadianRamsFan
                                What would you expect?
                                by CanadianRamsFan
                                I'm curious as it looks like, for the most part, people think it will be either Suh or Bradford. My question is what would you expect from them? If we draft Suh what kind of season do you think he would have? Same question with Bradford.
                                -03-07-2010, 11:07 PM
                              • clarasDK
                                So how many changed their minds since the end of the regular season?
                                by clarasDK
                                There is a lot off back an forth on taking DT or QB with our first pick.

                                At the end of the season I had a clear feeling that most would want Suh, but now many want Bradford. So did you change your mind and if yes why?

                                Until now Bradford has not done much do rise his stocks, only a good interview and maybe gaining some weight. Suh had a VERY good combine so he has done nothing to decline his value.
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                                -03-15-2010, 03:18 PM
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