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    One thing is sure in today’s NFL- due to the salary cap - teams must draft successfully. 2017 is the beginning of yet another Rams' era and just because we don‘t have a first round pick, in no way are we excluded from having an excellent draft.

    I wonder how much Les Snead was handcuffed previously by Fisher. I guess we’ll never know exactly. What we do know is there are purportedly going to be some very good players available after round one. I personally do not have a favorite player at this juncture as that changed (thankfully) with the acquisition of John Sullivan. I would hope we go BPA throughout.
    We are all aware here of our roster needs, and I have no doubt they will be addressed.* I also think there will be a curve ball or two thrown in; RFE’s postulation in a poll (possible trade with Cleveland) or some other unforeseen scenario.

    I fervently hope McVay and Snead are dreaming the same dream on draft days and hit some home runs. Why not us? Can they harvest eventual starters in rounds 5 & 6? There will be UDFAs available – we need to mine a gem or two there as well. If we absolutely nail this draft, I don’t see any reason we could be very competitive the last half of the season.
    I am a doubting Thomas this year. My Kool-aide cup is dry. I am anxiously awaiting those first drops to fall in during the draft.

    * Addressing a perceived need, in no way guarantees wild success, rather it is the act of trying. (Brian Quick comes to mind, GRob too, though he still has a small chance to stick.)

    When the draft is said and done, I wonder how many picks we will have added or traded away. Anyone know how many picks we have as of today?

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    8 picks total, I believe. Two picks in the 4th and 6th. No pick in the 1st. Somebody (Titans?) get our compensatory 3rd round pick.

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      Originally posted by MauiRam View Post
      One thing is sure in today’s NFL- due to the salary cap - teams must draft successfully. 2017 is the beginning of yet another Rams' era and just because we don‘t have a first round pick, in no way are we excluded from having an excellent draft.

      I wonder how much Les Snead was handcuffed previously by Fisher. I guess we’ll never know exactly. What we do know is there are purportedly going to be some very good players available after round one. I personally do not have a favorite player at this juncture as that changed (thankfully) with the acquisition of John Sullivan. I would hope we go BPA throughout.
      We are all aware here of our roster needs, and I have no doubt they will be addressed.* I also think there will be a curve ball or two thrown in; RFE’s postulation in a poll (possible trade with Cleveland) or some other unforeseen scenario.

      I fervently hope McVay and Snead are dreaming the same dream on draft days and hit some home runs. Why not us? Can they harvest eventual starters in rounds 5 & 6? There will be UDFAs available – we need to mine a gem or two there as well. If we absolutely nail this draft, I don’t see any reason we could be very competitive the last half of the season.
      I am a doubting Thomas this year. My Kool-aide cup is dry. I am anxiously awaiting those first drops to fall in during the draft.

      * Addressing a perceived need, in no way guarantees wild success, rather it is the act of trying. (Brian Quick comes to mind, GRob too, though he still has a small chance to stick.)

      When the draft is said and done, I wonder how many picks we will have added or traded away. Anyone know how many picks we have as of today?

      those 2 guys were reaches- and very poor choices by someone in this organization.
      This team hasn't drafted well on the Offensive side of the ball at all; and has used many of higher picks to bolster an already good defense. I cant see how they will not fill needs in the passing game, and center in this draft in light of the poor offense this team has had for years and years.

      I am hoping they are not going to cater to Wade Phillips because of the 3-4 switch, as I'm certain we can have a good defense with who we have now; but on the offensive side-- we still lack some fear weapons.

      I know Id go nuts if we drafted BPAs and they are DBs, LBs, and Dlineman.

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        Originally posted by Akita Ram View Post
        I am hoping they are not going to cater to Wade Phillips because of the 3-4 switch, as I'm certain we can have a good defense with who we have now; but on the offensive side-- we still lack some fear weapons.
        I do not pretend to know how the Rams have stacked their board. I believe it is fair to say that all of us here know where the holes are on our current roster, and there are clearly holes on both sides of the ball. You obviously feel there is more need on O than D, and there are some here who would agree with you. I am hoping the Rams do stick with BPA. That said, need can and does trump BPA on occasion, but I would hope as relates to the Rams, drafting for need over BPA would be an exception to the rule.


        Originally posted by Akita Ram View Post
        I know Id go nuts if we drafted BPAs and they are DBs, LBs, and Dlineman.
        With the new “We not me” mantra, I doubt any coach is going to be “catered to.” However, if the staff collectively sees a linebacker, defensive back or D-lineman who is just too good a value to pass up compared to an offensive need player, then I’d hope the Rams would stay true to their board. Why you ask? Because although not impossible, it is highly improbable the Rams will solidify the roster via the 2017 draft alone. IMO the Rams are going to require at least 2 drafts to turn the corner. Therein lies my reasoning to take the BPA. No mistakes, no whiffs – just get good football players who will make the team. We won’t have to wait much longer ...


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          I do not pretend to know how the Rams have stacked their board. I believe it is fair to say that all of us here know where the holes are on our current roster, and there are clearly holes on both sides of the ball. You obviously feel there is more need on O than D, and there are some here who would agree with you. I am hoping the Rams do stick with BPA. That said, need can and does trump BPA on occasion, but I would hope as relates to the Rams, drafting for need over BPA would be an exception to the rule.



          With the new “We not me” mantra, I doubt any coach is going to be “catered to.” However, if the staff collectively sees a linebacker, defensive back or D-lineman who is just too good a value to pass up compared to an offensive need player, then I’d hope the Rams would stay true to their board. Why you ask? Because although not impossible, it is highly improbable the Rams will solidify the roster via the 2017 draft alone. IMO the Rams are going to require at least 2 drafts to turn the corner. Therein lies my reasoning to take the BPA. No mistakes, no whiffs – just get good football players who will make the team. We won’t have to wait much longer ...


          [/QUOTEits a shame that history repeated itself with Fisher, in that much like Robinson, he squandered the draft picks we received from Washingiton just like the picks we received from Dickerson.

          I keep hearing about this the waiting concept, and while I understand it, the fact that so many teams get a new coach and turn the corner that same year, that concept has been debunked too often in recent history.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by MauiRam View Post
            We won't have to wait much longer ...

            Originally posted by Akita Ram View Post
            I keep hearing about this the waiting concept, and while I understand it, the fact that so many teams get a new coach and turn the corner that same year, that concept has been debunked too often in recent history.
            I was referring to the fact we will not have to wait much longer to discover which players the Rams will draft.(For better or for worse). As I stated (IMO) it will likely take at least 2 drafts to really acquire the talent desired by the new coaching staff. I am hoping we can turn the corner faster, as regards wins & losses, but I'm not betting on it.

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            • Barry Waller
              SO How Important is Drafting OL High?
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              Let's just take a look at the starting O-lines of the best teams in the NFL. You can bet these teams will add MORE high OL picks this year as well if needed.

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              It's obvious how these teams got to be the best ones right now.

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              When the Rams tried, with Smith and Barron, it was maybe the biggest reason for their demise.

              Right now the Rams have One First rounder, Williams, who busted out in Chicago as a tackle, who is unsigned, ONE Second rounder they may well lose, and a high paid free agent former high first.

              The rest are late picks like Jones, or undrafted free agents.

              Looking at the teams that ar e winning WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE.
              And why is there not some huge cry to fix this on draft day over taking a pass rusher or wide receiver to add to an already competetive and stacked group of young talent.

              The Niners and Seattle have been able to go elsewhere other than Oline the last couple drafts, because they got that taken care of a couple years ago, just when they really started t o get good again.

              it is no coincidence.
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            • general counsel
              Please dont expect all of our needs to get filled in one draft
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              One plea of reason to the group as we embark on the draft. We have major needs in many places. We did not get this devoid of talent overnight and we are not going to fix it in one draft. We need to focus on getting quality players. Need is relevant. Fisher knows that. What we dont need to do is draft an inferior player just because people think (even if they are correct) that we "need" a specific position. I hope people will resist the annual temptation to criticize picks (especially later round picks) for failure to get help in every area of need. Short of having about 15 picks in the first 50, there is simply no way for us to completely overhaul our roster in one year.

              I know that we are all tired of saying "patience" when it comes to the Rams. However, the hiring of Fisher is the dawn of a new era and if we expect to fill all our needs immediately we are hoping for too much. Can it happen? Sure, our sb 34 title team and last years whiners certainly prove that you can come a very long way in a very short period of time in the cap era. However, odds are, the best we can hope for is substantial improvement and i dont think that goal is unrealistic. Let's not jump down the throats of the guys making the selections over the next couple of days because people think that we haven't fixed everything.

              Ramming speed to all

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