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    Warner becomes caretaker QB until Manning ready

    By TOM CANAVAN, AP Sports Writer
    June 3, 2004
    EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. (AP) -- The New York Giants are taking some of the pressure off Eli Manning , signing Kurt Warner to be their caretaker quarterback until the top pick in the draft is ready to take over.

    While the two-time MVP got a two-year contract late Wednesday that will pay him a minimum of $3.5 million this year, there is no guarantee the two-time NFL MVP will play for the Giants for more than a year.

    When Manning is ready to go, he will be the Giants' quarterback.

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    Until then, the job seemingly belongs to Warner, the soon-to-be 33-year-old who led the St. Louis Rams to Super Bowl appearances after the 1999 and 2001 seasons. Injuries and the emergence of Marc Bulger earned him a pink slip on Tuesday.

    ``I am looking to come in and to play and to re-establish myself,'' Warner said at Thursday, hours after his first practice. ``I would love this to be where I finish my career.''

    Warner has incentives that can push his salary to $8 million this season. However, the second year of his contract is voidable and his tenure may well be determined by Manning's progress in his rookie season.

    ``I don't want to keep moving and picking up my family,'' Warner added. ``I want to continue to have success. I would love it to be here in New York and I will do whatever in my time here to be successful. We'll just see what happens.''

    ``Obviously Manning is there, but this is New York and if Kurt wins, they are not going to want him to leave,'' said Mark Bartelstein, Warner's agent.

    The signing takes a ton of pressure off Manning.

    The son of Archie Manning and the brother of Colts quarterback Peyton Manning became the Giants' starting quarterback when Kerry Collins refused to take a pay cut and was released less than a week after New York got the No. 1 pick in a draft-day trade with San Diego.

    Manning, who has known for weeks the Giants planned to sign a veteran, still plans on competing for the starting job.

    ``I don't know if this takes the pressure off,'' Manning said. ``I don't know if anything has changed in my view. I am still going to practice just as hard as ever. I want to be ready.''

    Manning and Warner spoke for a few minutes on Thursday. Warner plans to tutor Manning, just as he did with Bulger in St. Louis.

    ``To teach a guy the little things and have him become a better quarterback was fun for me, as frustrating as it was not playing,'' Warner said. ``But I look forward to helping any way I can.''

    Warner also is looking forward to playing again. He suffered a concussion in a season-opening loss to the Giants last season and did not start for the rest of the year. He missed half the previous season with injuries and has lost his last eight starts, starting with the 2002 Super Bowl.

    Warner said the release was a disappointing end to a career that saw the Rams win one Super Bowl and lose another on the final play of the game.

    ``We had so much success, and things were so great that you would like to ride off into the sunset and finish up that way,'' Warner said. ``That unfortunately didn't work out that way, but more importantly I am excited about this new opportunity because I have a lot more to play.''

    The Giants are something of a question mark coming into the season.

    They posted a 4-12 record last season, a year that started with Super Bowl aspirations and ended with Jim Fassel being fired and Tom Coughlin hired to replace him.

    Warner thinks the Giants have a shot at winning a title this season, noting the offensive weapons are in place with Ike Hilliard and Amani Toomer at the wide receiver, Jeremy Shockey at tight end and Tiki Barber at running back.

    While the offensive line is a big question mark, Warner said his ability to read defenses should allow him to get rid of the ball quickly.

    ``We'll never be a team that settles for the doldrums and is not going to try to win,'' Barber said. ``Kurt is a Super Bowl veteran and a two-time league MVP, adding him is a big boost for our team, especially our offense.''

    Coughlin said that Warner, who was given the No. 13 jersey he wore in St. Louis, , showed no signs of being bothered by thumb and pinkie injuries that have plagued him in recent years.

    ``He looked like Kurt Warner to me,'' Coughlin said.

  • #2
    Re: Warner in the correct forum

    cute...

    and your rebuttal Tx? ;) *LOL*

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    • #3
      A couple of notes...

      ``I would love this to be where I finish my career.''
      I hope, Kurt, in order to do that, you realize that you'd be spending a couple years as a back-up. Somehow I don't see the Giants under a new head coach giving up two first round picks among other choices to let their golden boy ride the bench for a second season if the veteran finds some level of success. Anything short of a division win and a deep playoff run probably means the job is open in 2005, if not already Eli's assuming he progresses.


      While the offensive line is a big question mark, Warner said his ability to read defenses should allow him to get rid of the ball quickly.
      That would have been nice in Week One, but I digress since he did have a "concussion"... or did he...

      Warner has always boasted the ability to process defenses at a very fast pace, but have we really seen that skill used effectively recently?


      Coughlin said that Warner, who was given the No. 13 jersey he wore in St. Louis, , showed no signs of being bothered by thumb and pinkie injuries that have plagued him in recent years.

      ``He looked like Kurt Warner to me,'' Coughlin said.
      Welcome to Rams preseason 2003, Mr. Coughlin.

      I don't know, until I see Warner play, I'm going to be a bit skeptical about him suddenly performing better because of a "change in scenery," especially when the Giants O-line is just as questionable if not more so than the Rams line was in 2003, and overall, the Giants offense doesn't seem to be as talented as the Rams'. I'm a big fan of Kurt, but you'll have to pardon me if I -- like many other NFL fans, I'm sure -- will hold off opinions until this fall.

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      • #4
        Re: Not everyone is hyped on Warner

        I don't really care for his analysis, but figured I would share another viewpoint.

        Warner must prove he can still produce
        By Len Pasquarelli
        ESPN.com

        On the New York Giants' Web site Thursday morning, a hastily photographed digital image of the franchise's newest starting quarterback appeared -- Kurt Warner in a red practice jersey bearing his familiar No. 13.

        Given the recent performance of the all-time league leader in passing efficiency -- remember, this is a player who hasn't won a game as a starter since 2001 -- both the color of the practice shirt and the numerals emblazoned on the front and back of it might, alas, prove pretty appropriate.

        The Giants wear blue uniforms, of course, and the red practice jersey is a universal "don't touch" cautionary measure designed to keep pass rushers from jostling the quarterback. As for the No. 13, well, surely the most non-superstitious among us understands its ominous implications. Even the great Dan Marino, who also thumbed his nose at fate by donning No. 13 for all 17 of his mostly brilliant seasons, eventually could not elude the misfortune attached to those dire digits.

        And so, while we hope we're wrong about this, given that Warner is a good guy and one who couldn't depart St. Louis before first passing through the Rams' complex to visit with the people who served as his support group for six seasons, that red practice shirt and the No. 13 represent an ominous beginning to the next chapter of his career.

        During an afternoon news conference, a smiling Warner noted Giants officials were kind enough to allow him to retain his favorite uniform number. Maybe a change of scenery, though, begged for a change from the recently cursed 13. Warner also noted that, after starting just one game in 2003, it is time to get his feet wet again. But should he spend much of '04 submerged beneath the opposition pass rush, desperately trying to tread water behind New York's remodeled offensive line, Warner might someday look back on the irony of his words.

        Make no mistake, signing Warner to a two-year contract worth $9.5 million -- which, in reality, is a one-year deal at $3 million, since the second year is voidable -- was a solid enough gamble by New York. But there is no mistaking as well that Warner, who will turn 33 in a couple weeks and who was sacked six times while throwing but one touchdown pass in 2003, isn't the same guy who claimed two league MVP awards and led the Rams to a Super Bowl XXXIV championship.

        Once the ego of Kerry Collins kept him from collecting a $7 million paycheck this year for introducing the Tutor Dynasty at Giants Stadium, serving as a grizzled starter/mentor to Eli Manning, the team sought Neil O'Donnell for that position. When he declined, and it became clear Warner was persona non grata in St. Louis, the rags-to-riches guy became the next target. Give the savvy Warner credit for this much: Unlike Collins (who will require two seasons in Oakland to earn the $7 million he would have banked staying with the Giants), and O'Donnell, Warner knew a good opportunity when he saw one.

        What he doesn't see as clearly anymore, usually because you can't read a secondary when you're at the bottom of a pile, is open wide receivers. And therein lies a likely problem for the Giants, who wouldn't mind it if Manning only carries a clipboard this season, and isn't prematurely forced to carry a high-profile franchise coming off a disastrous 2003.

        General manager Ernie Accorsi is a guy who knows quarterbacks. He grew up in the NFL watching the great Johnny Unitas, arguably the premier practitioner of all-time at the position. He was against trading away John Elway, who threatened to sit out instead of playing for the Baltimore Colts in 1983. Six weeks ago, Accorsi beat the odds by pulling off a blockbuster trade to land the coveted Manning, a gambit that ought to ensure the Giants superb quarterback play for the next decade.

        That said, while we agree that Warner represented the most viable option to simply throwing Manning to the wolves, the results could be dicey.

        My good friend Gary Myers, the veteran and sage NFL columnist for the New York Daily News, suggested by phone the other day that Warner is essentially the stunt double for Manning this year. A great analogy and one I wished I'd conjured up first. Rather than steal the term from Myers, we'll substitute "crash test dummy" in its place. The Giants are going to strap Warner into the starter's throne, put him behind the rebuilt offensive line, and monitor the results.

        Here's hoping that Warner, who has been about as fragile as a Faberge egg over the last couple of seasons, can survive. Let's hope, too, that his biggest cheerleader, wife Brenda, isn't so quick to pick up the phone and call one of New York's sports-talk stations when hubby is jeered following his first interception. That schtick may have played well in the Midwest but in New York, where the radio hosts can contort the most benign syllable and turn every molehill into a tabloid headline, it won't sell at all.

        How well Warner sells remains to be seen. A super person, he is also a player in denial. He bristles when it is suggested he is damaged goods but, while Giants doctors insist that he is over his various injuries, Rams coaches who watched him throw every day during practice suggest otherwise. Those same coaches, by the way, adamantly deny Warner did not get along well with Marc Bulger, the Rams quarterback who replaced him.

        But even if Warner is physically whole, the suspicion in many league quarters is that he is at least psychologically wounded, that he isn't the same fearless player in the pocket. He plays, scouts say, with a lower eye level now. Translation: The man who was once totally oblivious to the pass rush, who hung in and took a ton of shots just so he could deliver the ball to an uncovering wideout, now sees every opponent situational pass rusher from the second the guy leaves the bench.

        The most pertinent image of Warner, especially in New York, is from his last start. Ironically, it was at Giants Stadium in the 2003 season opener, and Warner was sacked six times, fumbled on a half-dozen occasions and suffered a concussion. That image, of course, is not indelible. The supposedly difficult fans of New York are notorious for their selective amnesia, and the allegedly harsh media is mostly comprised of unabashed homers, so one game-winning touchdown pass can erase a lot of negative memories.
        For that to happen, though, Warner has to throw a winning touchdown pass and it seems forever since that has occurred.

        Don't ignore, either, that the Giants' first two regular-season games are against the Philadelphia Eagles and Washington Redskins. In the 2001 opener, when Warner was with the Rams and facing the Eagles, we can recall Philly defensive coordinator Jim Johnson starting the contest with a blitz. And not just any blitz. He brought, on the opening snap, both corners, Troy Vincent and Bobby Taylor off the edge. Watching through the binoculars, we can recall thinking it was the first time we had ever seen such an exotic maneuver.

        It's still three months until the opener but you can bet that Johnson, who is one of the best pressure coordinators in the game, already has conjured up a blitz package as thick as the Manhattan telephone directory. And the new Redskins coordinator, Gregg Williams, is another aggressive coordinator, a Buddy Ryan devotee who favors the "46" defense. The upshot is that, right out of the chute, Warner is going to be tested.

        Too bad that, once the season begins, they can't dress him in one of those red "hands off" jerseys he wore in practice Thursday morning.

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          I don't have a rebuttal anymore. Except Warner is 29-31 outside in his career. I hope that improves somewhat for him this year.

          Manning though is going to be a very good QB in this league. Not going to compare him to his brother yet on the pro level, but he had less weapons in college and had better stats than Peyton.
          Last edited by txramsfan; -06-04-2004, 08:52 AM. Reason: want to add something

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          • #6
            Re: Warner in the correct forum

            29-31 may be inaccurate. I heard it from Sean Salisbury on ESPN last night while I was on the phone.

            I do know he has lost two more than he has won outdoors.

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            • #7
              Re: Warner in the correct forum

              Originally posted by txramsfan
              Except Warner is 29-31 outside in his career.
              Not trying tio be flippant here: what does this mean? Outside as in: not in a dome? If so, is that in his NFL career only, or does it include NFLE and college?

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              • #8
                Re: Warner in the correct forum

                Can't remember Deacon, but if someone else saw it last night it would be appreciated. I had a screaming girlfriend in my ear at the time.....LOL

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                • #9
                  Re: Warner in the correct forum

                  Originally posted by txramsfan
                  29-31 may be inaccurate.
                  I counted 12-10. But that is a bit skewed, as it includes five in the past two seasons where he was 0-7 overall. From '99 through '01 he was 12-5 outdoors, about 71%.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Warner in the correct forum

                    Thanks deacon, that could have also included NFLE...not sure.

                    I went to the ESPN site but they didn't have a thing on it.

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                    • Nick
                      Warner must prove he can still produce - Pasquarelli
                      by Nick
                      Warner must prove he can still produce
                      By Len Pasquarelli
                      ESPN.com


                      The Giants are hoping that Kurt Warner will take better care of the ball.

                      On the New York Giants' Web site Thursday morning, a hastily photographed digital image of the franchise's newest starting quarterback appeared -- Kurt Warner in a red practice jersey bearing his familiar No. 13.

                      Given the recent performance of the all-time league leader in passing efficiency -- remember, this is a player who hasn't won a game as a starter since 2001 -- both the color of the practice shirt and the numerals emblazoned on the front and back of it might, alas, prove pretty appropriate.

                      The Giants are hoping that Kurt Warner will take better care of the ball.
                      The Giants wear blue uniforms, of course, and the red practice jersey is a universal "don't touch" cautionary measure designed to keep pass rushers from jostling the quarterback. As for the No. 13, well, surely the most non-superstitious among us understands its ominous implications. Even the great Dan Marino, who also thumbed his nose at fate by donning No. 13 for all 17 of his mostly brilliant seasons, eventually could not elude the misfortune attached to those dire digits.

                      And so, while we hope we're wrong about this, given that Warner is a good guy and one who couldn't depart St. Louis before first passing through the Rams' complex to visit with the people who served as his support group for six seasons, that red practice shirt and the No. 13 represent an ominous beginning to the next chapter of his career.

                      During an afternoon news conference, a smiling Warner noted Giants officials were kind enough to allow him to retain his favorite uniform number. Maybe a change of scenery, though, begged for a change from the recently cursed 13. Warner also noted that, after starting just one game in 2003, it is time to get his feet wet again. But should he spend much of '04 submerged beneath the opposition pass rush, desperately trying to tread water behind New York's remodeled offensive line, Warner might someday look back on the irony of his words.

                      Make no mistake, signing Warner to a two-year contract worth $9.5 million -- which, in reality, is a one-year deal at $3 million, since the second year is voidable -- was a solid enough gamble by New York. But there is no mistaking as well that Warner, who will turn 33 in a couple weeks and who was sacked six times while throwing but one touchdown pass in 2003, isn't the same guy who claimed two league MVP awards and led the Rams to a Super Bowl XXXIV championship.

                      Once the ego of Kerry Collins kept him from collecting a $7 million paycheck this year for introducing the Tutor Dynasty at Giants Stadium, serving as a grizzled starter/mentor to Eli Manning, the team sought Neil O'Donnell for that position. When he declined, and it became clear Warner...
                      -06-08-2004, 10:52 AM
                    • r8rh8rmike
                      Interesting Takes From Warner & Coughlin
                      by r8rh8rmike
                      Wednesday, June 9, 2004


                      By Sal Paolantonio
                      Special to ESPN.com

                      EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- You can see it in his eyes. Kurt Warner's eyes are wide open, revealing the happiness of a man who has emerged from the long slumber of lost opportunity.


                      "I feel completely re-energized," said Warner, as he came off the field after his first mini-camp practice with his new team, the New York Giants.



                      Warner lacked some zip on his passes during practices.
                      Rewind to Giants Stadium, Week 1 last year. Under constant pressure from Michael Strahan and company, Warner was sacked six times and fumbled six times, and started his last game for the St. Louis Rams. Sitting on the trainer's table in the visitors' locker room at Giants Stadium that Sunday afternoon, Warner had just been diagnosed with a mild concussion and his eyes had the vacant look of a man who had just bought a one-way ticket down the rabbit hole.


                      The contrast between Warner then and Warner now couldn't be more stark. And the situation couldn't be more ironic -- the team that ended his season has now handed Warner a chance at NFL redemption.


                      It's no wonder that Warner has displayed the same wide-eyed eagerness of the former stock boy from Iowa who emerged from NFL Europe and replaced the injured Trent Green to re-write the history of Rams football in St. Louis.


                      "Normally, the player will sit down and will have to talk to his agent on the phone," said Giants head coach Tom Coughlin. "He said, 'I don't want any of this. Let's get this done.' He signed right away. He was down the hall, looking for coaches, saying 'Let's go meet.' He wanted to get himself immersed in this offense right away."


                      There is good reason for Warner to be anxious. Coming to New York means that Warner, who will be 33 on June 22, will be under-going several mid-life, mid-course adjustments.


                      He must adjust to the demands of Coughlin's offense, which shall we say is a bit more conservative than the Greatest Show on Turf choreographed by Mike Martz. And Warner will be learning the new offense with a newly minted franchise quarterback, Eli Manning, looking over his shoulder.


                      The Giants invested two first-round draft picks and expended a lot of public relations good will to acquire Manning in a trade with San Diego in this year's NFL draft. Some see Warner as the perfect mentor for Manning, or at least a temporary diversion so that Manning can incubate his talents without being over-exposed by the white, hot lights of the New York media.


                      Warner will have none of that. You can tell by the tone and conviction in his voice that, for Warner, this is not about Peyton Manning's little brother.


                      "Obviously, I'm coming in to...
                      -06-10-2004, 05:07 PM
                    • Nick
                      Footballguys.com Analysis of Warner Situation
                      by Nick
                      Fantasy Notebook: Fool Me Once, Shame On You. ...
                      By Bob Harris - Senior NFL Analyst - Footballguys.com

                      Well, the latest reports filtering out of the Big Apple say Kurt Warner
                      looked sharp during his initial mini-camp workouts this week. His passes
                      were crisp and mostly on target. But as New York Daily News staffer Ralph
                      Vacchiano noted, the surprise was that Eli Manning's passes looked even
                      better.

                      After struggling through his first mini-camp as a pro early last month,
                      Manning put all that behind him Monday with a much-improved performance
                      that caught the eyes of his coaches and teammates.

                      According to Vacchiano, "his command in the huddle was better and he had a
                      much greater knowledge of the offense. And as a result, he was able to
                      show off the right arm that the Giants worked so hard to acquire in their
                      blockbuster draft-day trade."

                      Wow. Sounds pretty darned good. ...

                      Unfortunately, Manning didn't fare as well Tuesday. Which should come as
                      no surprise. Once again, we're talking about a rookie trying to get up to
                      speed at the league's most difficult position to master.

                      Which is why, I suspect, we'll see a growing media drumbeat surrounding
                      the Warner/Manning competition with Warner putting increasing pressure on
                      his younger teammate as he becomes familiar with the Giants' system and
                      his NFL MVP experience begins to factor into the equation.

                      But that doesn't mean I believe Warner is the best man for this job. Nor
                      am I sure he's not. And I'm not alone in my confusion.

                      In fact, after reviewing some of the opinions being floated by those "in
                      the know," I've come to the conclusion that Warner is as mysterious to the
                      rest of the world as he is to me.

                      A sampling follows. ...

                      In an article published Monday, Sports Illustrated insider Peter King
                      advised readers: "I think Kurt Warner, whatever happens, will be a team
                      player and will help Eli Manning as much as he can with the Giants. Warner
                      is one of the few people I know in football who truly would help the guy
                      behind him even if it meant it might hurt his situation."

                      But former Giants quarterback Phil Simms disagreed.

                      "The perfect guy (for the Giants) was Neil O'Donnell," Simms told the
                      Newark Star-Ledger. "It's not a knock against Kurt, but the agendas are
                      different. Kurt Warner still wants to be a franchise quarterback. He wants
                      to be the guy. ... Kurt Warner will give information to Eli, but he's
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                      -06-13-2004, 09:36 PM
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                      QB Kurt Warner is set to leave the Giants and become a starter for another NFL team.
                      by Guest
                      December 29, 2004

                      EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. – Kurt Warner believes he can and will be a starting quarterback in the NFL.



                      QB Kurt Warner is set to leave the Giants and become a starter for another NFL team.
                      Eli Manning is the Giants’ starter. Therefore, the Giants’ Sunday night season finale against the Dallas Cowboys could well be Warner’s final game in a Giants uniform.

                      “Very possibly,” Warner said today. “I think everybody would foresee that being the case. Who knows what’s going to happen? You never know what the future has in store and what could transpire. But I think that’s everybody’s thought process right now.

                      “I want to be somewhere starting next year. They know it’s not here with the New York Giants. And they understand my point of view 100 percent.”

                      Warner, who was signed as a free agent on June 2 after a record-breaking six-year run with the St. Louis Rams, started the first nine games of the season. The Giants were 5-4 in those games and Warner completed 62.8 percent of his passes (174 of 277) for 2,054 yards, six touchdowns and four interceptions. Warner’s quarterback rating of 86.5 still ranks seventh in the NFC.

                      After a 17-14 loss in Arizona on November 14, coach Tom Coughlin named Manning the new starting quarterback. The first pick in this year’s NFL Draft – and a player the Giants obtained in a trade of draft choices, including this year’s first round pick -- Manning was the quarterback of the future. The only question was when that future would arrive.

                      Since it did, Warner has played just once in relief, an appearance in a hopelessly lost cause in the fourth quarter of a 23-point defeat in Baltimore, where he led the Giants to their only offensive touchdown.

                      Throughout what could have been a difficult or uncomfortable position, Warner has carried himself with dignity and grace. He has helped Manning whenever possible. Warner has publicly advocated that Coughlin stick with Manning, even when the youngster struggled, and it seemed he might have a shot to play again. And Warner has never hidden from the media. Today he entered the locker room and said, “Does anybody need me?”

                      While Warner is an exceptional gentleman, he is also an intense competitor. It is that fire that helped him win two NFL Most Valuable Player awards and twice lead the Rams to the Super Bowl, including a victory five years ago. At 33, Warner insists he has plenty of good football left in him, a notion that was cemented in his own mind by his play early this season.

                      “I’m not going to be content, right now in my career, where I am and what I believe I can do, being a backup next year,” he said. “It’s just the bottom line. It’s nothing against the New York Giants, it’s nothing against the situation, the coaches, the organization. I love my year here. But I’m not content being a backup. I think...
                      -12-29-2004, 07:57 PM
                    • Nick
                      Won't Get Any Better for Kurt / Newsday.com
                      by Nick
                      Won't get any better for Kurt
                      Bob Glauber
                      Friday, June 4, 2004

                      Yes, even Kurt Warner can't figure out how it has come to this: How one minute, he was the most incredible story in pro sports, the stockboy-at-the-local-HyVee-turned-Super Bowl hero. And how the next minute, he was wearing a headset and a blank stare, wondering where in the world it all went wrong.

                      "Sometimes you just sit back and say, 'Wow, how did I get here?'" the former St. Louis Rams quarterback said yesterday. "You wonder where it's going."

                      Warner hopes it's going back in the other direction, that the pendulum will begin to swing in the direction of a Super Bowl now that he has left the wonder and heartbreak of the Rams behind and come to the Giants. He believes he again can be the dominant quarterback he was from 1999-2001, when he won a Super Bowl, went to another, collected two NFL MVP trophies and was named a Super Bowl MVP.

                      Sorry, Kurt, I have my doubts.

                      "I think that two or three years down the road, it's all going to make sense, and that a lot is going to be accomplished," he said. "Sometimes it's hard to make sense of it, but all I can do is take it day by day and see what tomorrow brings."

                      Warner's enthusiasm is understandable in light of his experience the last two seasons, in which he failed to win any of his eight starts, suffered three broken bones in his throwing hand and a concussion, and ultimately lost his job.

                      But Warner is kidding himself if he thinks he can get back to where he once was.

                      He certainly gives the Giants a chance to win more games than if No. 1 pick Eli Manning were thrown into the starting lineup right away. But to imagine Warner throwing darts the way he did with The Greatest Show on Turf in St. Louis is simply unrealistic.

                      Once he steps onto the field against the blitz-happy Eagles in the regular-season opener Sept. 12, you will see the same problems that led to Warner's fall from grace. You will see him lock on to receivers the way he did during his difficult times in St. Louis. You will see him get jittery under a heavy rush. And with the shaky offensive line the Giants figure to have, Warner certainly can't expect the kind of protection that once gave him time in his seven-step drops to fuel the Rams' high-octane attack. It doesn't help that the Giants are without the collective speed and talent around Warner that he enjoyed with the Rams.

                      Warner can't possibly be as bad as he was in last year's opener against the Giants, when he fumbled six times and suffered six sacks. A mild concussion can explain some of those problems, but certainly not all.

                      One player who was with the Rams during their two Super Bowl seasons said Warner slowed down noticeably in recent years, that he was not making on-field decisions as quickly as...
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