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    Eli to max at 2nd mini
    Tuesday, June 8th, 2004

    To no one's surprise, Kurt Warner's passes looked sharp, crisp and mostly on target during the first day of his first minicamp as the quarterback of the Giants.
    The surprise was that Eli Manning's passes looked even better.

    The rookie who struggled during his first minicamp in early May put all that behind him yesterday at Giants Stadium with a much-improved performance that caught the eyes of his coaches and teammates. His command in the huddle was better and he had a much greater knowledge of the offense. And as a result, he was able to show off the right arm that the Giants worked so hard to acquire in their blockbuster draft-day trade.

    "Practice will do that," coach Tom Coughlin said. "(He now has) a little bit of understanding about what we're trying to get done. It is a foreign language when a young player or any player comes to a new program. So you have to understand all of the things that he went through. The first time you saw him he had had one hour of meeting time."

    "Every day he's gotten better," added running back Tiki Barber. "The first day he looked like he couldn't play in high school. The second day he started to figure it out and he was more comfortable calling the plays. And as the weeks have gone on we can see he's confident. And when he is confident he throws a great ball, he knows exactly what he's doing."

    Manning took some snaps with the first team yesterday, though most of those went to incumbent starter Jesse Palmer. Warner, who said "I'm getting a little more comfortable day by day," played mostly with the third string.

    Most of Manning's passes seemed to be on the mark, and he even showed some arm strength with a couple of deep throws. It was a stark contrast to his first minicamp, when his passes fluttered out of his hand and he was often intercepted.

    "I feel more comfortable just calling the plays and visualizing everything and knowing what everybody's doing," Manning said. "Your mind isn't thinking about everything. Your feet and your mechanics are better. Now I know what to expect."

    Coughlin declined to say whether he had any problem with Michael Strahan's participation in the offseason workout program, which became an issue at the last minicamp when the defensive end admitted his attendance was less than perfect.

    "It's a voluntary program that I would hope would be attended 100%," Coughlin said. "That's what I said before and I'll stick to it."

    As for Strahan's declaration that he plays by "my own set" of rules during the offseason, Coughlin had no comment. Strahan declined requests for an interview.

  • #2
    Re: Manning looked better than Warner

    I heard that tiki said Eli can't talk good......his drawl is too slow (probably means in the huddle). Can you beleive that? :frown: Yeah, that's it.....put Kurt in there cuz Tiki the speech therapist thinks even though Manning throws a better ball, he can't understand him. :bored:


    • #3
      Re: Manning looked better than Warner

      Here in a newspaperI receive daily writes the FB (Edgar Cervantes) of the Giants that is Mexican (from DF although moved when was child to california) from U. Iowa , today writes about the QB's and all he says is that Warner is better, cause in the huddle he's the leader and his voice makes confident the players and also thinks is more accurate, confident and experience, and he made his final statement by saying that Warner will be the starter because of what he has seen as today.


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      • r8rh8rmike
        Interesting Takes From Warner & Coughlin
        by r8rh8rmike
        Wednesday, June 9, 2004

        By Sal Paolantonio
        Special to

        EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- You can see it in his eyes. Kurt Warner's eyes are wide open, revealing the happiness of a man who has emerged from the long slumber of lost opportunity.

        "I feel completely re-energized," said Warner, as he came off the field after his first mini-camp practice with his new team, the New York Giants.

        Warner lacked some zip on his passes during practices.
        Rewind to Giants Stadium, Week 1 last year. Under constant pressure from Michael Strahan and company, Warner was sacked six times and fumbled six times, and started his last game for the St. Louis Rams. Sitting on the trainer's table in the visitors' locker room at Giants Stadium that Sunday afternoon, Warner had just been diagnosed with a mild concussion and his eyes had the vacant look of a man who had just bought a one-way ticket down the rabbit hole.

        The contrast between Warner then and Warner now couldn't be more stark. And the situation couldn't be more ironic -- the team that ended his season has now handed Warner a chance at NFL redemption.

        It's no wonder that Warner has displayed the same wide-eyed eagerness of the former stock boy from Iowa who emerged from NFL Europe and replaced the injured Trent Green to re-write the history of Rams football in St. Louis.

        "Normally, the player will sit down and will have to talk to his agent on the phone," said Giants head coach Tom Coughlin. "He said, 'I don't want any of this. Let's get this done.' He signed right away. He was down the hall, looking for coaches, saying 'Let's go meet.' He wanted to get himself immersed in this offense right away."

        There is good reason for Warner to be anxious. Coming to New York means that Warner, who will be 33 on June 22, will be under-going several mid-life, mid-course adjustments.

        He must adjust to the demands of Coughlin's offense, which shall we say is a bit more conservative than the Greatest Show on Turf choreographed by Mike Martz. And Warner will be learning the new offense with a newly minted franchise quarterback, Eli Manning, looking over his shoulder.

        The Giants invested two first-round draft picks and expended a lot of public relations good will to acquire Manning in a trade with San Diego in this year's NFL draft. Some see Warner as the perfect mentor for Manning, or at least a temporary diversion so that Manning can incubate his talents without being over-exposed by the white, hot lights of the New York media.

        Warner will have none of that. You can tell by the tone and conviction in his voice that, for Warner, this is not about Peyton Manning's little brother.

        "Obviously, I'm coming in to...
        -06-10-2004, 04:07 PM
      • Nick
        SI: Coughlin picked the wrong time to replace Warner with Manning at QB
        by Nick
        Coughlin picked the wrong time to replace Warner with Manning at QB
        Posted: Tuesday November 16, 2004 11:17AM;
        Updated: Tuesday November 16, 2004 1:29PM

        New York Giants head coach Tom Coughlin announced the news in his typically stern manner. Eli Manning is the future of his team, Coughlin said during his Monday afternoon press conference, and the future is starting now. He talked about Manning's preparation and attitude and made it seem as if the rookie quarterback was ready to lead a team that is in a mind-boggling free-fall. But Coughlin didn't sound confident. He sounded desperate. And if he thinks Eli Manning is going to change the Giants' fortunes, he's about to be seriously disappointed.

        It's one thing for the New York media to clamor for Manning to replace struggling starter Kurt Warner. But for Coughlin to move to Manning now -- with the Giants sitting at 5-4 in a conference in which nine victories might secure a playoff spot -- smacks of sheer lunacy.

        What exactly does Manning bring to the Giants offense that Warner didn't? He's just as immobile as Warner, which means he'll be sitting in the pocket and probably taking as many sacks as Warner did over the last four weeks. That's the reality of playing behind an offensive line that has started to perform as poorly as many people expected it would when the season began. Manning certainly won't take better care of the football than Warner did last Sunday, when he didn't not give the ball away in a 17-14 loss to Arizona. Warner atoned for a four-turnover performance a week earlier by not giving the ball away once in a loss to Arizona. And the last time I checked, Manning wasn't playing both ways, so he couldn't help a defense that has blown double-digit leads against offensively challenged teams in consecutive weeks.

        There are countless issues for the Giants to address but apparently Manning is the man who will have to overcome them. It's a difficult position to place him in. He's only played in two games, both when the outcomes were clearly decided, so he'll have little feel for the action. He also didn't look so hot in his season-opening debut in relief of Warner, when Philadelphia Eagles defensive end Jerome McDougle hit him so hard that Manning briefly resembled a life-sized Bobblehead doll. Coughlin wisely stuck with Warner as his starter after that game, if for no other reason than that it made more sense for a 33-year-old quarterback to take that kind of abuse than the first pick in the draft. Now Manning is surely going to face worse treatment.

        His first opponent up will be Atlanta, a team that had seven sacks in a win over Tampa Bay last Sunday. He then gets an Eagles defense that will be blitzing him all afternoon. Then comes Washington, Baltimore and Pittsburgh, three teams that all rank among the NFL's top five defensive units. If people thought Warner was having problems moving the offense,...
        -11-16-2004, 12:31 PM
      • Nick
        On 2nd thought, Eli may start
        by Nick
        On 2nd thought, Eli may start

        Tom Coughlin got his first chance to see quarterbacks Kurt Warner and Eli Manning in game conditions when the Giants played the Kansas City Chiefs in the teams' preseason opener on Friday night. Then early yesterday morning, Coughlin got a second look - on tape - and it's clear he likes what he sees from the rookie.

        A few days after declaring the race for the starting job dead even, Coughlin still maintains that neither quarterback has taken the inside track at this point. But this much seems clear: Manning has a legitimate chance to start the season as the No.1 quarterback.

        "There is a ways to go in this thing," Coughlin said in a conference call with reporters yesterday.

        In the Giants' 34-24 win against the Chiefs, Warner played with the first-team offense and completed three of his seven passes for 49 yards. Manning entered to a standing ovation midway through the second quarter and completed seven of 13 attempts for 91 yards.

        Neither quarterback threw a touchdown pass or an interception.

        Though Coughlin seemed annoyed when a reporter asked him during a postgame press conference whether he would start Manning in Thursday's game at Carolina - the coach snapped: "I'll make that decision later in the week, thank you very much" - he appears to be considering flip-flopping the quarterbacks' roles this week.

        Coughlin said he will review the game tape again before making a decision, but he added that he was pleased with the way Manning moved the team, particularly in a two-minute drill at the end of the first half that culminated in Bill Gramatica's 42-yard field goal at the gun.

        What stood out most about Manning's performance was how composed he remained during the drill, Coughlin said. Not that he was surprised by that.

        "He's done that throughout training camp," the coach said.

        Coughlin also said he would like to see Warner get rid of the ball a little sooner.

        "I think Kurt, sometimes to a fault, will want to take advantage of every opportunity he has to allow the receiver to break free," Coughlin said.
        -08-17-2004, 06:52 AM
      • txramsfan
        "The Bachelor" is the #1 QB....for now
        by txramsfan

        EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. (AP) The No. 1 pick in the draft and the guy with two MVP trophies and a Super Bowl ring stood in the back when the New York Giants offense began its drills at minicamp Monday.

        Instead, "The Bachelor" led the way.
        Jesse Palmer, who gained fame for his appearance on the reality TV show this summer, is currently the starting quarterback ahead of Eli Manning and Kurt Warner.

        No one expects that to last, of course, not with Warner brought in last week to tutor the latest heir to the Manning quarterback dynasty. But long enough for Palmer to impress new coach Tom Coughlin.

        "He has responded very well to the coaching and to what he has been asked to do," Coughlin said. "He is the guy who has really done a very good job of doing exactly what he has been coached to do."

        In some ways, it's a surprise that Palmer is still a Giant after three years as a backup to the departed Kerry Collins - he was unimpressive after getting his first three starts last season when Collins sprained an ankle. Then it appeared that Coughlin and the team's new coaching staff were less than impressed that Palmer was involved in reality television when he should have been studying the team's new playbook.

        In fact, some people were surprised that he wasn't let go when Warner was signed last Thursday - journeyman Kurt Kittner went instead. And he still might not make the team - Manning and Warner are sure things and rookie Jared Lorenzen and NFL Europe star Ryan Van Dyke are also on the roster.

        But there he was on Monday with the first unit while Warner and Manning each waited their turn. And there apparently is some thought that when the season starts, he could back up Warner while Manning learns as the third stringer. That's how Carson Palmer, last year's overall No. 1 pick, learned in Cincinnati last season, beginning the season as the third-stringer behind Jon Kitna and Shane Matthews and moving up to No. 2 in October.

        Jesse Palmer, a fourth-round draft pick in 2001, doesn't have close to the football credentials of the other two - he's far better known as "The Bachelor" than for anything he's done on the football field. Even at Florida under Steve Spurrier, he was only a part-time QB.

        Warner, meanwhile, was the NFL's MVP in 1999 and 2001 and the MVP of the Super Bowl played in 2000. Manning is the latest product of the NFL's first family of quarterbacks and his brother, Peyton, was co-MVP of the league last season with the Colts.

        Palmer insisted Monday that his television career never detracted from his preparation for football.

        "The taping for the show was in the offseason," he said. "It ended in March and I've been working out and studying ever since. My head...
        -06-08-2004, 05:44 AM
      • RamWraith
        Someone see's it as Kurt struggling
        by RamWraith
        TRANSITION NOT EASY FOR KURT By PAUL SCHWARTZ New York Post June 8, 2004 -- (edited)

        The first grumbles came a few days ago, when Kurt Warner shook his head and began beating himself up over a bad throw here, a poor read there. Last Thursday, Warner was on the field for the first time with the Giants and he came away unimpressed with his showing.

        "I went home this weekend and a couple of incomplete passes last week in practice and my wife heard about it all weekend," Warner said. "You build that mentality where you want to be perfect, you want to complete every pass.

        "When it doesn't happen, it is frustrating. I expect myself to make the passes I should make and make the decisions I should make, whether it's my second day or I'm here for four years."

        Yesterday marked another baby step for Warner and ... it was rookie Eli Manning during minicamp who appeared far more self-assured. Warner was more tentative, mixing in some well-thrown balls with some wobblers that made it clear he was thinking more than reacting.

        "I need to get better," Warner said. "Little by little, I'm feeling more comfortable. I'm seeing the field a little bit but it's early on, with things like the cadence, it's hard, it's a transition. I'm thinking about the cadence actually rather than thinking about what's going on downfield."

        ... The terminology Warner knew as second-nature in his six years with the Rams is now totally new, as are the reads and keys in Tom Coughlin's offense compared with the Greatest Show on Turf attack schemed by Mike Martz.

        "Something I would have read a certain way in St. Louis we may read exactly the opposite here; you just have to get a feel and understanding of why the coaches want to do it that way," Warner said. "That's an adjustment, too."

        Coughlin described Warner as "tireless in his efforts to learn the system."

        As Warner looks to claim the starting job, Manning has settled in, offering glimpses of why the Giants were obsessed with making him their franchise quarterback of the future.

        "Every day I feel more comfortable calling the plays and visualizing everything and just knowing what everybody's doing, not thinking about everything," Manning said.

        "Every day (Eli's) gotten better," added running back Tiki Barber. "The first day he looked like he couldn't play high school, the second day he started to figure it out, he was more comfortable calling the plays and as the weeks have gone on you can see he's confident, and when he's confident he throws a great ball, he knows exactly what he's doing."
        -06-08-2004, 09:10 AM